Rigby5
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Whether or not there is sameness between Nazis and current democrats, neither were at all in any way socialist.
If they were, Bernie Sanders would have been the candidate in the last election,
NAZI's have taken controll of the Democratic party !!! Demonazi's !!
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Whether or not there is sameness between Nazis and current democrats, neither were at all in any way socialist.
If they were, Bernie Sanders would have been the candidate in the last election,
MAGAman
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Rigby5
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The Nazis were not at all socialist after 1933.
All the socialists by then had been murdered by Hitler, so that he could get the approval of the oligarchs and be appointed Chancellor by them.
The Nazis by 1933 were the exact opposite of the socialists, and imprisoned or murdered them all.
Terri4Trump
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Yep, just like Uncle Bernie.
You know what great about this thread? Democrats call Trump "Hitler" all the time but its just so much stupidity and hot air. We, on the other hand, can lay out a factual, historical and well articulated argument that Democrats truly ARE just like Nazis, and that's why they are losing their lunches in this thread, because they cannot refute that truth.
That propaganda lie has already been refuted.
Rigby5
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Wrong.
Stalinism is NOT even remotely socialist.
There were socialists and actual communists, as well as anarchists in the Russian Revolution, but once Stalin took over, there was only Stalinism and absolutely no socialism, communism, or anarchism.
You know nothing about any economic system or else you would not be mixing apples and oranges.
Rigby5
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The correct point of Godwin's law is that resorting to emotion name calling is unproductive.
But is it important to remember that the tactics used by Nazis can be very successful even now, and are being used.
An example is how the whole country was conned into supporting the illegal and immoral invasion of Iraq, just like Hitler got the German public to support the invasion of Poland based on false propaganda.
Terri4Trump
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You gotta love some of the idiots here. "NAZI" literally means national socialist, Hitler preached about spreading national socialism, and yet some dopes here are saying they were not socialists. LOL!! Democrats will tell any lie no matter how outrageous
Rigby5
Diamond Member
Nonsense.
Socialism is where workers unit to collaboratively pool resource for their own means of production and profit sharing.
How was Hitler then at all a socialist?
And if he was a socialist, then why did the oligarchs have Hindenberg appoint him as Chancellor?
He was not elected you know.
Pete7469
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I'm pretty well read and aware of what stalin, mao, hitler, pol pot, mussolini, the kim dynasty, castro, chavez et al did, and they're all leftist sociopaths. I don't care what you say.
The only noteable leftist that wasn't a savage mother fucker was Ho Chi Mihn.
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MAGAman
Pro-American Patriot
And yet none of you Demtards can list any Trump abuses of power that are in leage with Democrat Fascism.
Rigby5
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It is historic fact that no one can or has ever tried to refute because it is impossible.
Just look it up.
Night of the Long Knives - Wikipedia
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The Night of the Long Knives (German:
Nacht der langen Messer (help·info)), or the Röhm Purge, also called Operation Hummingbird (German: Unternehmen Kolibri), was a purge that took place in Nazi Germany from June 30 to July 2, 1934, when Adolf Hitler, urged on by Hermann Göring and Heinrich Himmler, ordered a series of political extrajudicial executions intended to consolidate his hold on power in Germany, as well as to alleviate the concerns of the German military about the role of Ernst Röhm and the Sturmabteilung (SA), the Nazis' own mass paramilitary organization. Nazi propaganda presented the murders as a preventive measure against an alleged imminent coup by the SA under Röhm – the so-called Röhm Putsch....
Not content solely with the leadership of the SA, Röhm lobbied Hitler to appoint him Minister of Defence, a position held by the conservative General Werner von Blomberg.[13] Although nicknamed the "Rubber Lion" by some of his critics in the army for his devotion to Hitler, Blomberg was not a Nazi, and therefore represented a bridge between the army and the party. Blomberg and many of his fellow officers were recruited from the Prussian nobility, and regarded the SA as a plebeian rabble that threatened the army's traditional high status in German society.[14]
If the regular army showed contempt for the masses belonging to the SA, many stormtroopers returned the feeling, seeing the army as insufficiently committed to the National Socialist revolution. Max Heydebreck, an SA leader in Rummelsburg, denounced the army to his fellow brownshirts, telling them, "Some of the officers of the army are swine. Most officers are too old and have to be replaced by young ones. We want to wait till Papa Hindenburg is dead, and then the SA will march against the army."
The primary instruments of Hitler's action, who carried out most of the killings, were the Schutzstaffel (SS) paramilitary force under Himmler and its Security Service (SD) under Reinhard Heydrich, and the Gestapo, the secret police, under Göring. Göring's personal police battalion also took part in the killings. Many of those killed in the purge were leaders of the SA, the best-known being Röhm himself, the SA's chief of staff and one of Hitler's longtime supporters and allies. Leading members of the leftist-leaning Strasserist faction of the Nazi Party, including its figurehead, Gregor Strasser, were also killed, as were establishment conservatives and anti-Nazis, such as former Chancellor Kurt von Schleicher and Bavarian politician Gustav Ritter von Kahr, who had suppressed Hitler's Munich Beer Hall Putsch in 1923. The murders of SA leaders were also intended to improve the image of the Hitler government with a German public that was increasingly critical of thuggish SA tactics.
Hitler saw the independence of the SA and the penchant of its members for street violence as a direct threat to his newly gained political power. He also wanted to conciliate leaders of the Reichswehr, the German military, who feared and despised the SA as a potential rival, in particular because of Röhm's ambition to merge the army and the SA under his own leadership. Additionally, Hitler was uncomfortable with Röhm's outspoken support for a "second revolution" to redistribute wealth. In Röhm's view, President Hindenburg's appointment of Hitler as Chancellor on January 30, 1933 had brought the Nazi Party to power, but had left unfulfilled the party's larger goals. Finally, Hitler used the purge to attack or eliminate German critics of his new regime, especially those loyal to Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, as well as to settle scores with old enemies.[a]
At least 85 people died during the purge, although the final death toll may have been in the hundreds,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives#cite_note-Evans_p39-3[c][d] with high estimates running from 700 to 1,000.[1] More than a thousand perceived opponents were arrested.[2] The purge strengthened and consolidated the support of the Wehrmacht for Hitler. It also provided a legal grounding for the Nazi regime, as the German courts and cabinet quickly swept aside centuries of legal prohibition against extrajudicial killings to demonstrate their loyalty to the regime. The Night of the Long Knives was a turning point for the German government.[3] It established Hitler as the supreme administrator of justice of the German people, as he put it in his July 13 speech to the Reichstag.
Before its execution, its planners sometimes referred to the purge as Hummingbird (German: Kolibri), the codeword used to send the execution squads into action on the day of the purge.[4] The codename for the operation appears to have been chosen arbitrarily. The phrase "Night of the Long Knives" in the German language predates the killings and refers generally to acts of vengeance.
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Demands for Hitler to constrain the SA strengthened. Conservatives in the army, industry, and politics placed Hitler under increasing pressure to reduce the influence of the SA and to move against Röhm. While Röhm's homosexuality did not endear him to conservatives, they were more concerned about his political ambitions. Hitler remained indecisive and uncertain about just what precisely he wanted to do when he left for Venice to meet Benito Mussolini on June 15.[24] Before Hitler left, and at the request of Presidential State Secretary Otto Meißner, Foreign Minister Baron Konstantin von Neurath ordered the German Ambassador to Italy Ulrich von Hassell – without Hitler's knowledge – to ask Mussolini to tell Hitler that the SA was blackening Germany's good name.[25] Neurath's manoeuvre to put pressure on Hitler paid off, with Mussolini agreeing to the request (Neurath was a former ambassador to Italy, and knew Mussolini well).[25] During the summit in Venice, Mussolini upbraided Hitler for tolerating the violence, hooliganism, and homosexuality of the SA, which Mussolini stated were ruining Hitler's good reputation all over the world. Mussolini used the affair occasioned by the murder of Giacomo Matteotti as an example of the kind of trouble unruly followers could cause a dictator.[25] While Mussolini's criticism did not win Hitler over to acting against the SA, it helped push him in that direction.[25]
On June 17, 1934, conservative demands for Hitler to act came to a head when Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen, confidant of the ailing Hindenburg, gave a speech at Marburg University warning of the threat of a "second revolution."[26] According to his memoirs, von Papen, a Catholic aristocrat with ties to army and industry, privately threatened to resign if Hitler did not act.[27] While von Papen's resignation as vice-chancellor would not have threatened Hitler's position, it would have nonetheless been an embarrassing display of independence from a leading conservative.
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Rigby5
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Almost every political party in Europe has the word "social" or "socialist", and it means absolutely NOTHING!
Rigby5
Diamond Member
When you have a name like "National Socialist", that has nothing at all to do with the economic system called socialism.
When you throw another word in front of the word socialist, that can completely change the meaning.
It is like when you throw the word "anti" in front of the word "Semite".
This ain't Europe.
Rigby5
Diamond Member
Nonsense.
The only similarity between them is they were centralists, and socialism is inherently NOT at all centralized.
And leftist implies egalitarian income equality.
Did any of these leaders support egalitarian income equality?
No, they were the exact opposite, and supported their own personal profits, which is pure capitalism.
Savagery is a tactic any system can use, not a philosophy goal.
Terri4Trump
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Bullshit. Socialism is government control of industry, and beyond economics it is government control of your life. Workers have no say in shit!
You are describing unions, not socialism.
Communists were socialists and so were Nazis, despite their different political goals and peculiarities.
Hitler and the socialist dream
He declared that 'national socialism was based on Marx'
Socialists have always disowned him.
But a new book insists that he was, at heart, a left-winger
Hitler and the socialist dream
It is now clear beyond all reasonable doubt that Hitler and his associates believed they were socialists, and that others, including democratic socialists, thought so too. The title of National Socialism was not hypocritical.
Bernie SHOULD have been the candidate, but the Dems rigged the election with their super-delegate system.
You have a very fanciful, dreamy Utopian view of socialism
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