Nation's largest health insurer about to exit obamacare???!!!

[ShootSpeeders]

(A) It's not a "handout"
(B) It's 906 pages, not 2,500, and you can thank Congress for that
(C) You're essentially describing single-payer, which is what will be the end result

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Not a handout???? uranidiot. People that are poor but not poor enough for medicaid get a pretty good policy for $10 a month. You think that's the true cost of the insurance??? THINK

 

[ShootSpeeders]

People like you are why we need to get rid of health insurance. You're obese and a smoker and who knows what else. But you know someone else will pay for your self-inflicted problems.

Smartass, I weigh 162 lbs and stand 5 feet ten. My COPD was caused by asbestos exposure. You're a special kind of stupid. What if I said you were on AIDS, ugly and on food stamps? How would that go for you. Stupid Idiot.

Sorry but no one believes you. Almost all diabetics are fatties. As for the asbestos exposure - that's your fault.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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It really can't be that tough, the rest of the world isn't getting fucked in the ass by the healthcare industry, no it's just the US.

BS - socialized healthcare is a nightmare everywhere. I was recently reading a book about mexico and the author said that , contrary to what everyone says, mexico does not have universal health care. Their national health care system is just for the poor and is not very good. Wealthy or middle class people are not eligible and pay their own way. And it's all in cash. No insurance companies and no checks or credit cards. The author said such health care is as good as america's (she spent most of her life in america) and at about 1/10th the cost.

 

[Mac1958]

No surprise. UNH won't be the last. What a ridiculous pig of a law.

The Medicare/Medicare Advantage/Medicare Supplement template is already set up and functioning. It combines universal coverage with private sector competition & innovation, it would eliminate the fucking absurd seven-headed beast of a "system" (ha) we have now and would take a massive monkey off the back of American business. It's sitting right there, functioning fine, just waiting to be scaled up.

Unfortunately, the two parties have their heads too far up their asses to see and act on this.
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[DigitalDrifter]

Good. We're getting closer to single payer every day. It's good to know the right can't do anything to stop it. After all, the voted to kill Obamacare more than 50 times.

This is exactly what the original prediction was. The left would give us Obamacare, and when it starts to fall apart and unable to be fixed, Dim lawmakers would throw their hands up in the air and say the only fix is to go full-blown single-payer.
Exactly what the goal was from the start.

 

[the_human_being]

People like you are why we need to get rid of health insurance. You're obese and a smoker and who knows what else. But you know someone else will pay for your self-inflicted problems.

Smartass, I weigh 162 lbs and stand 5 feet ten. My COPD was caused by asbestos exposure. You're a special kind of stupid. What if I said you were on AIDS, ugly and on food stamps? How would that go for you. Stupid Idiot.

Sorry but no one believes you. Almost all diabetics are fatties. As for the asbestos exposure - that's your fault.

How man needles did you swap around before you got AIDS? Do you have a medical license to practice over the internet? When did you ever examine me? Did you contact AIDS by sleeping around? You need to do a refresher on diabetes. Many people with diabetes actually lose weight. Brush up on your subject. As far as the asbestosis, it was not known back in the 1960's that it was harmful. Once again, your ignorance is astounding.

Why Do People With Diabetes Lose Weight? | LIVESTRONG.COM

 

[ShootSpeeders]

This is exactly what the original prediction was. The left would give us Obamacare, and when it starts to fall apart and unable to be fixed, Dim lawmakers would throw their hands up in the air and say the only fix is to go full-blown single-payer.
Exactly what the goal was from the start.

Yes, a lot of people said that but we'll see if it pans out that way. If we're gonna end obamacare we can just as easily return to what we had before as go to single payer. It worked pretty well despite obozo's claim it was broken. The moron says that about everything.

 

[Zander]

Progressivism 101
Use government regulations to create an imbalance in the marketplace. Proclaim that the only way to fix the problem is with a government program. After that program creates dozens of new problems, create a whole new government program to solve them. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[Arianrhod]

Progressivism 101
Use government regulations to create an imbalance in the marketplace. Proclaim that the only way to fix the problem is with a government program. After that program creates dozens of new problems, create a whole new government program to solve them. Wash, rinse, repeat.

The imbalance was created when for-profit insurers entered the market.

 

[BULLDOG]

Good. We're getting closer to single payer every day. It's good to know the right can't do anything to stop it. After all, the voted to kill Obamacare more than 50 times.

This is exactly what the original prediction was. The left would give us Obamacare, and when it starts to fall apart and unable to be fixed, Dim lawmakers would throw their hands up in the air and say the only fix is to go full-blown single-payer.
Exactly what the goal was from the start.

Single payer has always been the better system,but considering the right's pathological need to say no to anything, Obamacare was much better than what we had, and the best that could be done. at the time. If the right continues to refuse to cooperate in any way, and prevents Obamacare from being as successful as possible, the only choice will be to go to single payer.

 

[dblack]

Good. We're getting closer to single payer every day. It's good to know the right can't do anything to stop it. After all, the voted to kill Obamacare more than 50 times.

This is exactly what the original prediction was. The left would give us Obamacare, and when it starts to fall apart and unable to be fixed, Dim lawmakers would throw their hands up in the air and say the only fix is to go full-blown single-payer.
Exactly what the goal was from the start.

The goal of ACA was to avoid single payer.

 

[dblack]

That's what so damnably frustrating about ACA. Those who support it are hoping it will fail. But it won't. We'll end up with a handful of mega-insurance corps, deeply embedded with government. Permanent rent seeking leeches, feeding at the public trough.

 

[BULLDOG]

That's what so damnably frustrating about ACA. Those who support it are hoping it will fail. But it won't. We'll end up with a handful of mega-insurance corps, deeply embedded with government. Permanent rent seeking leeches, feeding at the public trough.

If the RWNJ states would have cooperated just a little, it could have been better than it is. Unfortunately, they cared more about opposing our president than they care about the people.

 

[dblack]

That's what so damnably frustrating about ACA. Those who support it are hoping it will fail. But it won't. We'll end up with a handful of mega-insurance corps, deeply embedded with government. Permanent rent seeking leeches, feeding at the public trough.

If the RWNJ states would have cooperated just a little, it could have been better than it is. Unfortunately, they cared more about opposing our president than they care about the people.

They didn't vote for it. They didn't sign it into law.

 

[Arianrhod]

That's what so damnably frustrating about ACA. Those who support it are hoping it will fail. But it won't. We'll end up with a handful of mega-insurance corps, deeply embedded with government. Permanent rent seeking leeches, feeding at the public trough.

If the RWNJ states would have cooperated just a little, it could have been better than it is. Unfortunately, they cared more about opposing our president than they care about the people.

They didn't vote for it.

Correct. Congressional Republicans voted against the bill from the outset, then picked it to death at every stage - adding this, deleting that, adding something else, deleting yet another thing in an attempt to kill it. Then when they got all the "fixes" they wanted they voted against it anyway.

They were outnumbered. Just as they've been outnumbered every time they've tried to kill it now that it's law.

They didn't sign it into law.

Damn that tricameral government, huh?

 

[BULLDOG]

That's what so damnably frustrating about ACA. Those who support it are hoping it will fail. But it won't. We'll end up with a handful of mega-insurance corps, deeply embedded with government. Permanent rent seeking leeches, feeding at the public trough.

If the RWNJ states would have cooperated just a little, it could have been better than it is. Unfortunately, they cared more about opposing our president than they care about the people.

They didn't vote for it. They didn't sign it into law.

States didn't have the opportunity to vote for or against it. All they could do is either implement it or pick it to pieces, assuring that it wouldn't work as well as intended.The goal for those states was to make sure it didn't work as possible. Thy screwed their own citizens in their effort to oppose a black president.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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If the RWNJ states would have cooperated just a little, it could have been better than it is. Unfortunately, they cared more about opposing our president than they care about the people.

They didn't vote for it. They didn't sign it into law.

Yup - Not a single repub voted for this mess when it passed in 2010. They knew it was going to implode.

 

[Arianrhod]

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If the RWNJ states would have cooperated just a little, it could have been better than it is. Unfortunately, they cared more about opposing our president than they care about the people.

They didn't vote for it. They didn't sign it into law.

Yup - Not a single repub voted for this mess when it passed in 2010. They knew it was going to implode.

As I indicated in Post #95. They picked at it and whined and stamped their feet until the insurers and pharma got what they wanted, then vetoed it in one Borg-like groupthink anyway.

If there's one thing y'all do best, it's carry on like four-year-olds.

 

[dblack]

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If the RWNJ states would have cooperated just a little, it could have been better than it is. Unfortunately, they cared more about opposing our president than they care about the people.

They didn't vote for it. They didn't sign it into law.

Yup - Not a single repub voted for this mess when it passed in 2010. They knew it was going to implode.

They, most of them at least, voted against it for purely partisan reasons. ACA was essentially the same legislation Republicans would have produced if they'd been in charge. So I give them little to no credit for their opposition.

But the Democrats had control of Congress and the White House. They got the law they wanted. For apologists to claim otherwise, for them to blame the flaws of ACA on those who didn't vote for it, is pathetic.

 

[Arianrhod]

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If the RWNJ states would have cooperated just a little, it could have been better than it is. Unfortunately, they cared more about opposing our president than they care about the people.

They didn't vote for it. They didn't sign it into law.

Yup - Not a single repub voted for this mess when it passed in 2010. They knew it was going to implode.

They, most of them at least, voted against it for purely partisan reasons. ACA was essentially the same legislation Republicans would have produced if they'd been in charge. So I give them little to no credit for their opposition.

This^.

But the Democrats had control of Congress and the White House. They got the law they wanted. For apologists to claim otherwise, for them to blame the flaws of ACA on those who didn't vote for it, is pathetic.

That's a convenient dodge. There's this thing called "compromise." You'd have to look at the process over the lifetime of the bill (no different than most bills, really) to see what it began as and how it ended up and why.