National Review: Trump "Profoundly Undemocratic"

[Eric Stratton]

That's funny... I would have thought massive voter fraud is profoundly undemocratic.

It would be.

If it happened.

But so is lying about it because one's snowflake feelings can't take losing and then setting this gigantic embarrassing shit show upon the nation over the past three weeks.

Take a Midol and change your manpon.

 

[Ben Thomson]

Yes, he is.

The Rudy Giuliani–led press conference at the RNC yesterday was the most outlandish and irresponsible performance ever by a group of lawyers representing a president of the United States. ...​

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If there’s serious evidence for any of this, Giuliani and co. need to produce it immediately. Waving around affidavits at a press conference without allowing anyone to examine them doesn’t count. ...​

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The claims by the Trump team and its allies in court have been as far-reaching as possible and still haven’t come close to supporting the kind of feverish charges made yesterday afternoon. These cases have been dismissed or were whittled down until, as Andy McCarthy has noted, in Pennsylvania the Trump team isn’t even challenging enough ballots to come within hailing distance of overturning Joe Biden’s 83,000-vote lead — although we understand that the team is now attempting to file yet another amended complaint that would revive previously abandoned fraud charges and add still more. ...​

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As for the Dominion voting machines that Powell has been inveighing against, Georgia used them this year, and there’s no indication whatsoever that they contributed to significant mistakes, let alone that they were part of a vast plot to steal the election. Voters use the machine to register their choices, then a paper copy of the votes is printed and scanned. This paper record is what was used in Georgia’s hand recount, which has now been completed. It found no major discrepancies (Trump picked up several hundred votes owing to errors in several localities but still trails by more than 12,000). A Trump-appointed judge just dismissed a Republican suit to block the certification of Georgia’s election.​

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Getting nowhere in court, the White House appears to be shifting to a political strategy based on blocking the certification of results and getting state legislatures to appoint Trump electors in states Trump lost. This is a profoundly undemocratic gambit that, if it were to enjoy any success, would precipitate a major constitutional crisis. The Constitution gives state legislatures the power to appoint electors, but it has been the norm for legislatures to appoint those electors on the basis of state elections for about 200 years. For any legislature to turn around now — solely because its party’s candidate lost and refuses to accept the result — and appoint electors in defiance of the public will would lack all legitimacy. It’d also be legally dubious, at best, to bypass state laws establishing elections as the mechanism for selecting presidential electors.​

Trump’s Disgraceful Gambit | National Review

Getting nowhere in court, the White House appears to be shifting to a profoundly undemocratic political strategy.

www.nationalreview.com

Trump is trying to steal the election. He and his coterie have nothing but contempt for the people of this country, it's history, it's institutions, and it's norms.

And unlike the spineless cowards in the Republican Party leadership who won't do what's right for the country, there are conservatives will to tell the would-be tin-pot third world autocrat to stop.

The GOP has proven to be an even 'greater threat' to US democracy than Trump in 2021, experts warn

 

[JimH52]

That's funny... I would have thought massive voter fraud is profoundly undemocratic.

Except there was none....

 

[fncceo]

That's funny... I would have thought massive voter fraud is profoundly undemocratic.

Except there was none....

 

[JimH52]

Yes, he is.

The Rudy Giuliani–led press conference at the RNC yesterday was the most outlandish and irresponsible performance ever by a group of lawyers representing a president of the United States. ...​

​

If there’s serious evidence for any of this, Giuliani and co. need to produce it immediately. Waving around affidavits at a press conference without allowing anyone to examine them doesn’t count. ...​

​

The claims by the Trump team and its allies in court have been as far-reaching as possible and still haven’t come close to supporting the kind of feverish charges made yesterday afternoon. These cases have been dismissed or were whittled down until, as Andy McCarthy has noted, in Pennsylvania the Trump team isn’t even challenging enough ballots to come within hailing distance of overturning Joe Biden’s 83,000-vote lead — although we understand that the team is now attempting to file yet another amended complaint that would revive previously abandoned fraud charges and add still more. ...​

​

As for the Dominion voting machines that Powell has been inveighing against, Georgia used them this year, and there’s no indication whatsoever that they contributed to significant mistakes, let alone that they were part of a vast plot to steal the election. Voters use the machine to register their choices, then a paper copy of the votes is printed and scanned. This paper record is what was used in Georgia’s hand recount, which has now been completed. It found no major discrepancies (Trump picked up several hundred votes owing to errors in several localities but still trails by more than 12,000). A Trump-appointed judge just dismissed a Republican suit to block the certification of Georgia’s election.​

​

Getting nowhere in court, the White House appears to be shifting to a political strategy based on blocking the certification of results and getting state legislatures to appoint Trump electors in states Trump lost. This is a profoundly undemocratic gambit that, if it were to enjoy any success, would precipitate a major constitutional crisis. The Constitution gives state legislatures the power to appoint electors, but it has been the norm for legislatures to appoint those electors on the basis of state elections for about 200 years. For any legislature to turn around now — solely because its party’s candidate lost and refuses to accept the result — and appoint electors in defiance of the public will would lack all legitimacy. It’d also be legally dubious, at best, to bypass state laws establishing elections as the mechanism for selecting presidential electors.​

Trump’s Disgraceful Gambit | National Review

Getting nowhere in court, the White House appears to be shifting to a profoundly undemocratic political strategy.

www.nationalreview.com

Trump is trying to steal the election. He and his coterie have nothing but contempt for the people of this country, it's history, it's institutions, and it's norms.

And unlike the spineless cowards in the Republican Party leadership who won't do what's right for the country, there are conservatives will to tell the would-be tin-pot third world autocrat to stop.

The GOP has proven to be an even 'greater threat' to US democracy than Trump in 2021, experts warn

It is hard to comprehend anyone or anything being a greater threat to Democracy than trump....but it has happened.

 

[dudmuck]

That's funny... I would have thought massive voter fraud is profoundly undemocratic.

Except there was none....

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[Juicin]

Yes, he is.

The Rudy Giuliani–led press conference at the RNC yesterday was the most outlandish and irresponsible performance ever by a group of lawyers representing a president of the United States. ...​

​

If there’s serious evidence for any of this, Giuliani and co. need to produce it immediately. Waving around affidavits at a press conference without allowing anyone to examine them doesn’t count. ...​

​

The claims by the Trump team and its allies in court have been as far-reaching as possible and still haven’t come close to supporting the kind of feverish charges made yesterday afternoon. These cases have been dismissed or were whittled down until, as Andy McCarthy has noted, in Pennsylvania the Trump team isn’t even challenging enough ballots to come within hailing distance of overturning Joe Biden’s 83,000-vote lead — although we understand that the team is now attempting to file yet another amended complaint that would revive previously abandoned fraud charges and add still more. ...​

​

As for the Dominion voting machines that Powell has been inveighing against, Georgia used them this year, and there’s no indication whatsoever that they contributed to significant mistakes, let alone that they were part of a vast plot to steal the election. Voters use the machine to register their choices, then a paper copy of the votes is printed and scanned. This paper record is what was used in Georgia’s hand recount, which has now been completed. It found no major discrepancies (Trump picked up several hundred votes owing to errors in several localities but still trails by more than 12,000). A Trump-appointed judge just dismissed a Republican suit to block the certification of Georgia’s election.​

​

Getting nowhere in court, the White House appears to be shifting to a political strategy based on blocking the certification of results and getting state legislatures to appoint Trump electors in states Trump lost. This is a profoundly undemocratic gambit that, if it were to enjoy any success, would precipitate a major constitutional crisis. The Constitution gives state legislatures the power to appoint electors, but it has been the norm for legislatures to appoint those electors on the basis of state elections for about 200 years. For any legislature to turn around now — solely because its party’s candidate lost and refuses to accept the result — and appoint electors in defiance of the public will would lack all legitimacy. It’d also be legally dubious, at best, to bypass state laws establishing elections as the mechanism for selecting presidential electors.​

Trump’s Disgraceful Gambit | National Review

Getting nowhere in court, the White House appears to be shifting to a profoundly undemocratic political strategy.

www.nationalreview.com

Trump is trying to steal the election. He and his coterie have nothing but contempt for the people of this country, it's history, it's institutions, and it's norms.

And unlike the spineless cowards in the Republican Party leadership who won't do what's right for the country, there are conservatives will to tell the would-be tin-pot third world autocrat to stop.

The GOP has proven to be an even 'greater threat' to US democracy than Trump in 2021, experts warn

ooo experts

 

[BluesLegend]

Meh, Dem communists will be destroyed.