National Guard

[jc456]

Fact: djt is a convicted felon

Nope, you can’t name the felony

 

[Dante]

Nope, you can’t name the felony

THE FELONIES ARE LISTED. PUBLIC INFORMATION.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

 

[Unkotare]

What does this have to do with the National Guard?

 

[Dante]

Goes federal 34 counts be like this:

Back on topic, tell us more about your ban expertise.

Donald John is a convicted felon and proven in a court of law to be a sexual predator that you support and cheer on

 

[Delldude]

What does this have to do with the National Guard?

Auto correct...thanks for the reminder.

 

[georgephillip]

A lot of democrats (not the ones who actually live there) are melting down about the deployment of the national guard in DC, LA and maybe further afield soon. I wonder if these hypocrites made the same stink when JFK sent the national guard to Alabama to desegregate the schools there? Would these same democrats stand in the doorway with Wallace? Was desegregation more important than car jacking and murder?

JFK used the guard to advance civil rights by enforcing federal law against arch White supremacists; Trump uses the guard to discourage protest by inhibiting civil rights.

The former advanced individual liberties while Trump has exactly the opposite context and objective while distracting from his biggest concern:

 

[Delldude]

Trump uses the guard to discourage protest by inhibiting civil rights.

Examples please.

 

[jc456]

THE FELONIES ARE LISTED. PUBLIC INFORMATION.

https://www.npr.org/2024/05/30/g-s1-1848/trump-hush-money-trial-34-counts

Nope post it, it’s not there. Maybe you should actually read it

 

[georgephillip]

Examples please.

During his first administration Trump deployed the National Guard during the Black Lives Matter demonstrations in a clumsy attempt to assert control and discourage protests; prioritizing order over dissent could inhibit civil rights.

MearsheimerAI:

"Such actions reflect the broader theme of how states use power to maintain stability, sometimes at the expense of civil liberties, a dynamic that is central to understanding the behavior of states in both domestic and international arenas."

 

[jc456]

During his first administration Trump deployed the National Guard during the Black Lives Matter demonstrations in a clumsy attempt to assert control and discourage protests; prioritizing order over dissent could inhibit civil rights.

MearsheimerAI:

"Such actions reflect the broader theme of how states use power to maintain stability, sometimes at the expense of civil liberties, a dynamic that is central to understanding the behavior of states in both domestic and international arenas."

Rioters are not civil liberties

 

[Delldude]

Trump uses the guard to discourage protest by inhibiting civil rights.

This is what you said earlier, to back it up, your statements aren't in line with your accusations.

"Such actions reflect the broader theme of how states use power to maintain stability, sometimes at the expense of civil liberties, a dynamic that is central to understanding the behavior of states in both domestic and international arenas."

States.............nothing regarding Trump or the NG.

During his first administration Trump deployed the National Guard during the Black Lives Matter demonstrations in a clumsy attempt to assert control and discourage protests; prioritizing order over dissent could inhibit civil rights.

Again, no proof it did.

 

[georgephillip]

Rioters are not civil liberties

True.

Millions of Americans took part in Black Lives Matter protests while the DoJ announced more than 300 individuals across 29 cities plus DC were charged with crimes ranging from inciting riots to arson and possession of explosives, during or near BLM demonstrations.

ChatGPT

 

[georgephillip]

tates.............nothing regarding Trump or the NG.

Trump as POTUS plays a big role in how the State reacts to public protests to his racist immigration tactics, and he isn't smart enough to understand the consequences of his actions.

 

[jc456]

Trump as POTUS plays a big role in how the State reacts to public protests to his racist immigration tactics, and he isn't smart enough to understand the consequences of his actions.

Rioters are not protests

 

[georgephillip]

This is what you said earlier, to back it up, your statements aren't in line with your accusations.


States.............nothing regarding Trump or the NG.

Again, no proof it did.

"Rhetoric and Precedent​

• "During the broader BLM uprisings in 2020, Trump encouraged governors to 'dominate the streets,' suggested deploying U.S. military forces if local enforcement failed, and projected a willingness to send troops to Democratic-led cities like Chicago or New York. While legal experts noted these remarks were aggressive, direct evidence of intent to suppress legal protest remains more interpretive than concrete.

• "Legal authority for such deployments—citing the Insurrection Act or emergency provisions—was frequently discussed but rarely invoked directly. The Washington PostABC News
• "Analysis suggests Trump’s domestic deployments increasingly blurred lines between military force and protest response, raising concerns about using military symbolism to intimidate civilian"

ChatGPT:"Is there evidence supporting the claim that Trump used the National Guard during BLM protests to discourage legal protests"?

 

[Unkotare]

JFK used the guard to advance civil rights by enforcing federal law against arch White supremacists; Trump uses the guard to discourage protest by inhibiting civil rights.
...

Oh, car-jacking is a civil right? rape? murder? I must have missed that part of the Bill of Rights.

 

[Unkotare]

True.

Millions of Americans took part in Black Lives Matter protests...

And the charlatans behind it took millions and bought themselves some nice mansions.

 

[Delldude]

"Is there evidence supporting the claim that Trump used the National Guard during BLM protests to discourage legal protests"?

And ChatGPT said 'no'.

Trump as POTUS plays a big role in how the State reacts to public protests to his racist immigration tactics, and he isn't smart enough to understand the consequences of his actions.

Still nothing supporting what you said earlier.

 

[georgephillip]

And the charlatans behind it took millions and bought themselves some nice mansions.

So what?

 

[georgephillip]

And ChatGPT said 'no'.

Not exactly:

ChatGPT:

"Final Takeaway​

"There is no explicit, documented evidence proving Trump specifically intended to use the National Guard to discourage legal BLM protests.

"However, multiple reliable sources—including federal court rulings and state government testimony—highlight that the nature of the deployments (militarized presence, crowd control tactics, lack of coordination) had a pronounced deterrent effect and exceeded legal limits."