NASA and ESA on the cause of the heat wave

[Couchpotato]

The NASA article directly refutes your American Thinker editor opinion and you tried to pass off the claim that it is way more influencing then CO2.

Which of your articles makes that claim, other then American Thinker?

This is the problem with your argument. You will never admit that anything can effect the temperature of the earth other than the things man is doing. The idea that a massive volcanic eruption that puts that much water vapor in the air isnt affecting global temperatures in the short term, is silly and you not admitting it makes your argument that man is causing the temp change (and we probably are to some degree) weaker. Climate is wildly complex system that is effected by all kinds of inputs (including massive volcanic eruptions) acting like that's not real is just dumb.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Massive release of water vapor from an underwater volcano is causing these 'rivers of moisture' in the atmosphere. Something like 146 teragrams of vapor, heating the atmosphere and oceans. Not to worry, scientists say it will take several years of heat waves to dissipate back near normal.

So, why has atmospheric water vapor increased so dramatically? Because of a historic, gigantic volcanic eruption last year that I – probably along with you -- had never heard of. The mass media ignored it because it took place 490 feet underwater in the South Pacific. Don’t take it from me, take it from NASA (and please do follow the link to see time lapse satellite imagery of the underwater eruption and subsequent plume of gasses and water injected into the atmosphere):
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NASA published the above in August 2022. Half a year later, a newer study increased the estimate of the water vapor addition to the atmosphere by 30%. From the European Space Agency:

In a recent paper published in Nature, a team of scientists showed the unprecedented increase in the global stratospheric water mass by 13% (relative to climatological levels) and a five-fold increase of stratospheric aerosol load – the highest in the last three decades.
Using a combination of satellite data, including data from ESA’s Aeolus satellite, and ground-based observations, the team found that due to the extreme altitude, the volcanic plume circumnavigated the Earth in just one week and dispersed nearly pole-to-pole in three months. [emphasis added]
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Another scientific paper explains the “net warming of the climate system” on a delayed basis. NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory further explains:

Volcanic eruptions rarely inject much water into the stratosphere. In the 18 years that NASA has been taking measurements, only two other eruptions – the 2008 Kasatochi event in Alaska and the 2015 Calbuco eruption in Chile – sent appreciable amounts of water vapor to such high altitudes. But those were mere blips compared to the Tonga event, and the water vapor from both previous eruptions dissipated quickly. The excess water vapor injected by the Tonga volcano, on the other hand, could remain in the stratosphere for several years.
This extra water vapor could influence atmospheric chemistry, boosting certain chemical reactions that could temporarily worsen depletion of the ozone layer. It could also influence surface temperatures. Massive volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Mount Pinatubo typically cool Earth’s surface by ejecting gases, dust, and ash that reflect sunlight back into space. In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere [Emphases added]
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Jeff Childers, who brought this scientific data to my notice, writes:

Here’s why corporate media is ignoring the most dramatic climate even[t] in modern history: because you can’t legislate underwater volcanoes. You can try, but they won’t listen. So what’s the fun in that? Corporate media only exists to further political ends. Since volcanoes aren’t subject to politics, why bother?

What NASA and the European Space Agency are admitting but the media are failing to report about our current heat wave (bumped)

Fecking hell, that goes against man made climate change rhetoric, bang goes NASA's funding.

 

[Catsnmeters]

This is the problem with your argument. You will never admit that anything can effect the temperature of the earth other than the things man is doing. The idea that a massive volcanic eruption that puts that much water vapor in the air isnt affecting global temperatures in the short term, is silly and you not admitting it makes your argument that man is causing the temp change (and we probably are to some degree) weaker. Climate is wildly complex system that is effected by all kinds of inputs (including massive volcanic eruptions) acting like that's not real is just dumb.

This isn't about what I think.

I never made the arguments you are contending.

It is about the position of the OPer and how they are using misleading debate techniques to legitimize his conclusion.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Fecking hell, that goes against man made climate change rhetoric, bang goes NASA's funding.

What did NASA say that would cause a loss of funding?

 

[Captain Caveman]

What did NASA say that would cause a loss of funding?

Any scientist or Uni that doesn't follow the Man Made Climate Change (MMCC) rhetoric get cancelled, sacked, and defunded.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Any scientist or Uni that doesn't follow the Man Made Climate Change (MMCC) rhetoric get cancelled, sacked, and defunded.

You didn't answer my question.

 

[Couchpotato]

This isn't about what I think.

I never made the arguments you are contending.

It is about the position of the OPer and how they are using misleading debate techniques to legitimize his conclusion.

Sure it is. You believe the climate change narrative like religion.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Sure it is. You believe the climate change narrative like religion.

No. You are moving the goal posts.

This is in regards to what NASA said that would cause them to be defunded.

Can you answer that question?

 

[Couchpotato]

No. You are moving the goal posts.

This is in regards to what NASA said that would cause them to be defunded.

Can you answer that question?

I didn’t move anything. Did I say NASA would be defunded?

 

[Catsnmeters]

I didn’t move anything. Did I say NASA would be defunded?

No, but that is what my response was based on in post 24 before you butted in.

 

[Couchpotato]

No, but that is what my response was based on in post 24 before you butted in.

If you would like to have private combo take to DMs.

 

[otto105]

Massive release of water vapor from an underwater volcano is causing these 'rivers of moisture' in the atmosphere. Something like 146 teragrams of vapor, heating the atmosphere and oceans. Not to worry, scientists say it will take several years of heat waves to dissipate back near normal.

So, why has atmospheric water vapor increased so dramatically? Because of a historic, gigantic volcanic eruption last year that I – probably along with you -- had never heard of. The mass media ignored it because it took place 490 feet underwater in the South Pacific. Don’t take it from me, take it from NASA (and please do follow the link to see time lapse satellite imagery of the underwater eruption and subsequent plume of gasses and water injected into the atmosphere):
____________________________
NASA published the above in August 2022. Half a year later, a newer study increased the estimate of the water vapor addition to the atmosphere by 30%. From the European Space Agency:

In a recent paper published in Nature, a team of scientists showed the unprecedented increase in the global stratospheric water mass by 13% (relative to climatological levels) and a five-fold increase of stratospheric aerosol load – the highest in the last three decades.
Using a combination of satellite data, including data from ESA’s Aeolus satellite, and ground-based observations, the team found that due to the extreme altitude, the volcanic plume circumnavigated the Earth in just one week and dispersed nearly pole-to-pole in three months. [emphasis added]
____________________________
Another scientific paper explains the “net warming of the climate system” on a delayed basis. NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory further explains:

Volcanic eruptions rarely inject much water into the stratosphere. In the 18 years that NASA has been taking measurements, only two other eruptions – the 2008 Kasatochi event in Alaska and the 2015 Calbuco eruption in Chile – sent appreciable amounts of water vapor to such high altitudes. But those were mere blips compared to the Tonga event, and the water vapor from both previous eruptions dissipated quickly. The excess water vapor injected by the Tonga volcano, on the other hand, could remain in the stratosphere for several years.
This extra water vapor could influence atmospheric chemistry, boosting certain chemical reactions that could temporarily worsen depletion of the ozone layer. It could also influence surface temperatures. Massive volcanic eruptions like Krakatoa and Mount Pinatubo typically cool Earth’s surface by ejecting gases, dust, and ash that reflect sunlight back into space. In contrast, the Tonga volcano didn’t inject large amounts of aerosols into the stratosphere, and the huge amounts of water vapor from the eruption may have a small, temporary warming effect, since water vapor traps heat. The effect would dissipate when the extra water vapor cycles out of the stratosphere [Emphases added]
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Jeff Childers, who brought this scientific data to my notice, writes:

Here’s why corporate media is ignoring the most dramatic climate even[t] in modern history: because you can’t legislate underwater volcanoes. You can try, but they won’t listen. So what’s the fun in that? Corporate media only exists to further political ends. Since volcanoes aren’t subject to politics, why bother?

What NASA and the European Space Agency are admitting but the media are failing to report about our current heat wave (bumped)

Does your post address the issue of CO2 in our atmosphere and why doesn't it.

 

[Catsnmeters]

If you would like to have private combo take to DMs.

Why? You can butt in, misinterpret the ongoing conversation, and look silly without taking it DMs....but you do you.

 

[Couchpotato]

Why? You can butt in, misinterpret the ongoing conversation, and look silly without taking it DMs....but you do you.

Not with me dum dum. You’re on a public message board. People are going to comment on and move conversations outside what you might want them to be. If you don’t like it stop posting.

 

[Catsnmeters]

Not with me dum dum. You’re on a public message board. People are going to comment on and move conversations outside what you might want them to be. If you don’t like it stop posting.

Which is what I said.

Good job.

 

[Delldude]

The NASA article directly refutes your American Thinker editor opinion and you tried to pass off the claim that it is way more influencing then CO2.

Not passing off anything other than an underwater volcano put huge amounts of water vapor up into the stratosphere which will affect our weather patters for years, and it already is.

However, water vapor is a huge greenhouse gas contributor.....more so than CO2.......you should look it up.

 

[skye]

It's over. We will all be dead next week.

LOL it appears so according to the climate gurus! .....

but the gurus will be disappointed, I fear!

 

[Delldude]

Does your post address the issue of CO2 in our atmosphere and why doesn't it.

Yeah, in the first paragraph.

 

[BS Filter]

The NASA article directly refutes your American Thinker editor opinion and you tried to pass off the claim that it is way more influencing then CO2.

Which of your articles makes that claim, other then American Thinker?

You're confused.

 

[BS Filter]

This is the problem with your argument. You will never admit that anything can effect the temperature of the earth other than the things man is doing. The idea that a massive volcanic eruption that puts that much water vapor in the air isnt affecting global temperatures in the short term, is silly and you not admitting it makes your argument that man is causing the temp change (and we probably are to some degree) weaker. Climate is wildly complex system that is effected by all kinds of inputs (including massive volcanic eruptions) acting like that's not real is just dumb.

Dumber than dumb. It's evidence of a closed mind, which is cultic thinking. A true scientific mind is always open.