Ray From Cleveland
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No, I'm saying that all illegals that have drivers licenses would be registered to vote if this law passes. That's the main point of the article.
Nah, Democrats would never cheat the elections
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No, I'm saying that all illegals that have drivers licenses would be registered to vote if this law passes. That's the main point of the article.
Dad2three
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WEIRD, NONE OF THOSE STOPPED WITH VOTER ID LAWS? Almost like voter ID laws are just meant to suppress legal voters or something right?
Founder of Heritage Foundation:
Dad2three
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Oh right sorry, I thought ideology WAS important, I guess since SOOOO many have left the GOP and consider themselves "independent" it doesn't matter? lol
nat4900
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I'm starting to get the feeling that some right wingers on here have figured out that there's no chance in hell that a repub will win the WH.....therefore, the bitching and excuses are already starting.
(BTW, there's a rumor that Putin showed up in 2012 in Los Angeles and voted for Romney and he did it WITHOUT any ID except a driver's license from the notoriously crooked Moscow DMV........I'm so disgusted.)
(BTW, there's a rumor that Putin showed up in 2012 in Los Angeles and voted for Romney and he did it WITHOUT any ID except a driver's license from the notoriously crooked Moscow DMV........I'm so disgusted.)
Dad2three
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The parameters were R vs DThe example you cited was a coal town that, because of automation and anti-coal policies, have been badly burned.
Let me guess, you CAN'T refute it and ONLY have BS?
RED STATES MOOCH OFF THE TEET OF THE BLUE STATES
For all the crap about small govt, self-sufficiency welfare cheats and other right wing delusions, the fact is that the red states are Easy Riders living off of the Blue states. And they have less concern for their citizens, worse social behavior etc
The states most dependent on the federal government are who you'd least expect
The states most dependent on the federal government are who you'd least expect
Moocher Red States Still Don’t Want Free Healthcare Money With Obama’s Name On It
. Five years after passage of the Affordable Care Act, some red states are still debating, or outright refusing, free money because they just really REALLY hate President Obama:
Twenty-four states and the District of Columbia said yes to Medicaid expansion when the law went into effect. Since then, just six more have signed on. States that say yes get billions of additional federal dollars, but many Republican lawmakers are loathe to say yes to the Obama administration.
The expansion enables adults with incomes up to 138% of the poverty level to receive Medicaid. The federal government picks up the whole tab for their care through 2016, then tapers its support down to 90% of the costs.
It would be HI-larious, if the consequences weren’t so severe and even fatal, that states who’ve happily sucked off the government teat for years are all of a sudden uninterested in federal dollars for poor people to be able to go to the doctor
Moocher Red States Still Don’t Want Free Healthcare Money With Obama’s Name On It
You can take a state by state poll all you want.
I was talking about how the story you posted has been squashed time and time again.
Do you honestly think that "red" states have no democrats or "blue" states have no republicans?
Why don't you break it down along those lines and THEN tell the class who is more dependent?!
FOR YOU TOO BUBBA
"But when the political lens shifts from partisanship to ideology, the participation gap vanishes. Self-described political conservatives were no more likely than liberals or moderates to have received food stamps (17% for each group), according to the survey."
...The survey found that significant proportions of Democrats (60%) and Republicans (52%) say they have benefited from a major entitlement program at some point in their lives. So have nearly equal shares of self-identifying conservatives (57%), liberals (53%) and moderates (53%). The programs were Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, unemployment benefits and food stamps.
OOPS
The politics and demographics of food stamp recipients
WEIRD HOW THE BLUE STATES MUST SUBSIDIZE THE RED STATES RIGHT???
You start talking "moderate" and you find Jake and Matthew
Talk "independent" and you find Paulie
THE PARAMETERS ARE R AND D EVEN THOUGH CONservatives are MOSTLY independent since Dubya?
You right wingers ARE funny however. Sure its party affiliation NOT ideology, lol
So you admit Democrats commit fraud even with voter ID laws...
WEIRD, NONE OF THOSE STOPPED WITH VOTER ID LAWS? Almost like voter ID laws are just meant to suppress legal voters or something right?
Founder of Heritage Foundation:
OK...
But at least voter ID laws and updating voter registration should cut down on it...
it's hogwash that this measure will allow illegals to vote. Their driver's licenses ARE DIFFERENT from the licenses of citizens and NOTE they are not citizens through the statement of 'not for Federal use' or something like that on them, therefore they are not ELIGIBLE to vote....
the law states ELIGIBLE voters will be registered through the DMV....it's right there in your copy and paste....
ELIGIBLE....as in citizens over 18 yrs of age, NOT IMMIGRANTS.
Dad2three
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YOU REALLY ARE A WILLFULLY IGNORANT FUKK AREN'T YOU?
This bill would require the Secretary of State and the Department of Motor Vehicles to establish the California New Motor Voter Program for the purpose of increasing opportunities for voter registration by any person who is qualified to be a voter. Under the program, after the Secretary of State certifies that certain enumerated conditions are satisfied, the Department of Motor Vehicles would be required to electronically provide to the Secretary of State the records of each person who is issued an original or renewal of a driver’s license or state identification card or who provides the department with a change of address, as specified. The person’s motor vehicle records would then constitute a completed affidavit of registration and the person would be registered to vote, unless the person affirmatively declined to be registered to vote during a transaction with the department, the department did not represent to the Secretary of State that the person attested that he or she meets all voter eligibility requirements, as specified, or the Secretary of State determines that the person is ineligible to vote.
The bill would require the Secretary of State to adopt regulations to implement this program, as specified.
Existing law makes it a crime for a person to willfully cause, procure, or allow himself or herself or any other person to be registered as a voter, knowing that he or she or that other person is not entitled to registration. Existing law also makes it a crime to fraudulently vote or attempt to vote.
Bill Text - AB-1461 Voter registration: California New Motor Voter Program.
Dad2three
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So you admit Democrats commit fraud even with voter ID laws...
WEIRD, NONE OF THOSE STOPPED WITH VOTER ID LAWS? Almost like voter ID laws are just meant to suppress legal voters or something right?
Founder of Heritage Foundation:
OK...
But at least voter ID laws and updating voter registration should cut down on it...
DUMBFUKK, YOUR LINK SHOWED CRIMES NOT STOPPED BY EITHER GOP VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS (ID) OR VOTER PURGES. Gawd you wingnutters are a scary bunch!
nat4900
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Its NO USE, my dear fellow poster......Right wingers simply REFUSE to believe facts and simply want to ***** and moan.....for the sake of bitching and moaning.
We showed them pictures of what these drivers' license state that they are NOT ELIGIBLE TO BE USED FOR VOTING........but to no avail.
Now they're switching their bitching that democrats are allowing corpses to vote.
Nut, as hard as I've tried I can't get one of these nitwits to tell me HOW they managed to win in 2014 in the midst of all this voter fraud........Oh well.
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Well, we know that since the Bush v. Gore decision that the number of actual popular votes don't count......
AND we also know that California's 55 electoral votes will go for the Dem candidate...
Soooooo, what ******* difference does it make, as Hillary so aptly put it.
AND we also know that California's 55 electoral votes will go for the Dem candidate...
Soooooo, what ******* difference does it make, as Hillary so aptly put it.
Obama insists that Illegals get SSNs..
Under California law, you can register to vote with your SSN, and you don't have to show an ID at the polls... (You only show an ID the FIRST time you vote if you register online with NO SSN, DRIVER'S LICENSE NUMBER, OR VOTER NUMBER ISSUED BY THE STATE)...
So you have your flaw right there... Just get registered (by hook or crook) and you never have to show that ID, so it doesn't matter how the state marks it...
Dad2three
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LIAR. "Illegals" don't get SS#'s you POS
THEY GET TAXPAYER ID'S TO FILE TAXES!!
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed
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A new nationwide analysis of 2,068 alleged election-fraud cases since 2000 shows that while fraud has occurred, the rate is infinitesimal, and in-person voter impersonation on Election Day, which prompted 37 state legislatures to enact or consider tough voter ID laws, is virtually non-existent.
New database of US voter fraud finds no evidence that photo ID laws are needed - Investigations
No, DUMBASS...So you admit Democrats commit fraud even with voter ID laws...
WEIRD, NONE OF THOSE STOPPED WITH VOTER ID LAWS? Almost like voter ID laws are just meant to suppress legal voters or something right?
Founder of Heritage Foundation:
OK...
But at least voter ID laws and updating voter registration should cut down on it...
DUMBFUKK, YOUR LINK SHOWED CRIMES NOT STOPPED BY EITHER GOP VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS (ID) OR VOTER PURGES. Gawd you wingnutters are a scary bunch!
It demonstrates that criminal Democrats may still get desperate enough to break the law, even with voter ID...
It DOES NOT show that voter ID doesn't cut down on the rates... UNLESS EVERY DEMOCRAT POLL WORKER IS IGNORING THE LAW!!!!
Dad2three
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No, DUMBASS...So you admit Democrats commit fraud even with voter ID laws...
WEIRD, NONE OF THOSE STOPPED WITH VOTER ID LAWS? Almost like voter ID laws are just meant to suppress legal voters or something right?
Founder of Heritage Foundation:
OK...
But at least voter ID laws and updating voter registration should cut down on it...
DUMBFUKK, YOUR LINK SHOWED CRIMES NOT STOPPED BY EITHER GOP VOTER SUPPRESSION LAWS (ID) OR VOTER PURGES. Gawd you wingnutters are a scary bunch!
It demonstrates that criminal Democrats may still get desperate enough to break the law, even with voter ID...
It DOES NOT show that voter ID doesn't cut down on the rates... UNLESS EVERY DEMOCRAT POLL WORKER IS IGNORING THE LAW!!!!
YOU IGNORANT FUKK, YOUR LINK HAD ZERO CASES OF SOMEONE IMPERSONATING ANOTHER AT THE POLL, THE ONLY "FRAUD" GOP VOTER SUPPRESSION ID LAWS STOP!
That's WHY Dubya's UNPRECEDENTED DOJ voter fraud investigation of 5 years (300+ million votes) they prosecuted ZERO for impersonating another at the poll!
Paul Weyrich, "father" of the right-wing movement and co-founder of the Heritage Foundation, Moral Majority and various other groups tells his flock that he doesn't want people to vote. He complains that fellow Christians have "Goo-Goo Syndrome": Good Government.
Paul Weyrich - "I don't want everybody to vote" (Goo Goo)
Dad2three
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Republicans Admit Voter-ID Laws Are Aimed at Democratic Voters
Mike Turzai
The Republican head of Pennsylvania’s state House stuck his foot in his mouth when he publicly listed voter ID laws on his list of conservative successes in 2012: “Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done,” Turzai said.
Of course, the real problem is not the push for voter ID laws themselves, but Turzai’s admission that the mandatory IDs would be a boon for keeping Democratic turnout down. Though his spokesperson would later claim that Turzai meant that Romney would win without the threat of voter fraud, enough people could see through the spin. Claiming voter IDs as a victory strategy certainly isn’t the best way to keep the plan under the radar.
Phyllis Schlafly
Conservative author and pundit Phyllis Schlafly took an aggressive stance in a recent article: “If the poorest members of society can obtain photo ID to get taxpayer-funded handouts, they should be able to do likewise for voting. The real reason the left wants to make sure that individuals without voter ID are allowed to vote is because they are expected to vote for Democrats.”
Schlafly may have turned around the argument to put the blame on Democrats (while simultaneously insulting the poor), but the explanation is still the same: this law hurts Democrats. However, Schlafly needs to remember that it’s not the Democrats who are changing protocol in the hope of influencing elections. Instead, the burden is on the Republicans to suggest that voter fraud is actually legitimate enough to necessitate these changes, a situation that has been repeatedly unsubstantiated.
Jason Thigpen
Not all Republicans who admit the intent of voter IDs do so accidentally; in the case of this North Carolina congressional candidate, he actually condemns it. Thigpen goes so far as to call the law/restrictions a turd: “You can paint a turd and sell it as art, but it’s still a turd,” he said. “This is 2013 and any legislator that puts forth such a discriminatory bill should be laughed out of office.”
Though Thigpen believes it is important to prevent voter fraud, he worries that necessitating citizens without the proper ID pay to obtain a photo ID could amount to a polling tax.
Judge Richard Posner
The conservative judge appointed by Ronald Reagan to the federal Court of Appeals initially heard a pivotal case on voter IDs in Indiana back in 2005. At the time, Posner ruled against the challenge that the law would disenfranchise voters, finding that argument unfounded.
Years later, however, Posner has changed his tune. This year, he admitted his ruling was a mistake. He now says his colleague, Judge Terence T. Evans, was “right” in his dissent: “Let’s not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID Law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic.”
http://www.care2.com/causes/5-repub...honest-about-voter-id-laws.html#ixzz3oK3cOvln
Mike Turzai
The Republican head of Pennsylvania’s state House stuck his foot in his mouth when he publicly listed voter ID laws on his list of conservative successes in 2012: “Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done,” Turzai said.
Of course, the real problem is not the push for voter ID laws themselves, but Turzai’s admission that the mandatory IDs would be a boon for keeping Democratic turnout down. Though his spokesperson would later claim that Turzai meant that Romney would win without the threat of voter fraud, enough people could see through the spin. Claiming voter IDs as a victory strategy certainly isn’t the best way to keep the plan under the radar.
Phyllis Schlafly
Conservative author and pundit Phyllis Schlafly took an aggressive stance in a recent article: “If the poorest members of society can obtain photo ID to get taxpayer-funded handouts, they should be able to do likewise for voting. The real reason the left wants to make sure that individuals without voter ID are allowed to vote is because they are expected to vote for Democrats.”
Schlafly may have turned around the argument to put the blame on Democrats (while simultaneously insulting the poor), but the explanation is still the same: this law hurts Democrats. However, Schlafly needs to remember that it’s not the Democrats who are changing protocol in the hope of influencing elections. Instead, the burden is on the Republicans to suggest that voter fraud is actually legitimate enough to necessitate these changes, a situation that has been repeatedly unsubstantiated.
Jason Thigpen
Not all Republicans who admit the intent of voter IDs do so accidentally; in the case of this North Carolina congressional candidate, he actually condemns it. Thigpen goes so far as to call the law/restrictions a turd: “You can paint a turd and sell it as art, but it’s still a turd,” he said. “This is 2013 and any legislator that puts forth such a discriminatory bill should be laughed out of office.”
Though Thigpen believes it is important to prevent voter fraud, he worries that necessitating citizens without the proper ID pay to obtain a photo ID could amount to a polling tax.
Judge Richard Posner
The conservative judge appointed by Ronald Reagan to the federal Court of Appeals initially heard a pivotal case on voter IDs in Indiana back in 2005. At the time, Posner ruled against the challenge that the law would disenfranchise voters, finding that argument unfounded.
Years later, however, Posner has changed his tune. This year, he admitted his ruling was a mistake. He now says his colleague, Judge Terence T. Evans, was “right” in his dissent: “Let’s not beat around the bush: The Indiana voter photo ID Law is a not-too-thinly-veiled attempt to discourage election-day turnout by certain folks believed to skew Democratic.”
http://www.care2.com/causes/5-repub...honest-about-voter-id-laws.html#ixzz3oK3cOvln
Dad2three
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Florida Republicans Admit Voter Suppression Was The Goal Of New Election Laws
Current party members and consultants confirmed the motive was not to stop voter fraud but to make it harder for Democrats and minorities to vote:
Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal. “In the races I was involved in in 2008, when we started seeing the increase of turnout and the turnout operations that the Democrats were doing in early voting, it certainly sent a chill down our spines. And in 2008, it didn’t have the impact that we were afraid of. It got close, but it wasn’t the impact that they had this election cycle,” Bertsch said, referring to the fact that Democrats picked up seven legislative seats in Florida in 2012 despite the early voting limitations.
Another GOP consultant, who did not want to be named, also confirmed that influential consultants to the Republican Party of Florida were intent on beating back Democratic turnout in early voting after 2008.
[…]A GOP consultant who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retribution said black voters were a concern. “I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that’s a big day when the black churches organize themselves,” he said.
Though the state ultimately went to President Obama, the Republican effort to suppress votes was largely successful. A post-election report found that new voting restrictions led to a huge increase in provisional ballots, which are cast when there is some question of the voter’s eligibility.
While crying voter fraud, the Florida GOP had to confront its own scandal when a voter registration firm they hired turned in hundreds of fraudulent registration forms in several Florida counties. The GOP hastily cut ties with the group when the state opened a criminal investigation into their operations.
Florida Republicans Admit Voter Suppression Was The Goal Of New Election Laws
Current party members and consultants confirmed the motive was not to stop voter fraud but to make it harder for Democrats and minorities to vote:
Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal. “In the races I was involved in in 2008, when we started seeing the increase of turnout and the turnout operations that the Democrats were doing in early voting, it certainly sent a chill down our spines. And in 2008, it didn’t have the impact that we were afraid of. It got close, but it wasn’t the impact that they had this election cycle,” Bertsch said, referring to the fact that Democrats picked up seven legislative seats in Florida in 2012 despite the early voting limitations.
Another GOP consultant, who did not want to be named, also confirmed that influential consultants to the Republican Party of Florida were intent on beating back Democratic turnout in early voting after 2008.
[…]A GOP consultant who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retribution said black voters were a concern. “I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that’s a big day when the black churches organize themselves,” he said.
Though the state ultimately went to President Obama, the Republican effort to suppress votes was largely successful. A post-election report found that new voting restrictions led to a huge increase in provisional ballots, which are cast when there is some question of the voter’s eligibility.
While crying voter fraud, the Florida GOP had to confront its own scandal when a voter registration firm they hired turned in hundreds of fraudulent registration forms in several Florida counties. The GOP hastily cut ties with the group when the state opened a criminal investigation into their operations.
Florida Republicans Admit Voter Suppression Was The Goal Of New Election Laws
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I'm still waiting for the republicans on this board to come up with some proof that people are illegally voting. They can't do it, I say. You think they'd be worried about the electronic voting where there is no paper trail, but no.
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