Myth of arctic meltdown: Stunning satellite images show summer ice cap is thicker

[RollingThunder]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

 

[jc456]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

right? She chooses to discusswith scum like you! I feel very sorry for her and all of my peer skeptics.You, you're just a tool and will always be a tool. You're one of those types like your peers. Have a nice day!

 

[RollingThunder]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

right? She chooses to discusswith scum like you! I feel very sorry for her and all of my peer skeptics.You, you're just a tool and will always be a tool. You're one of those types like your peers. Have a nice day!

LOLOL....and more gibbering insanity from ol' JustCrazy, another rightwingnut lunatic.

 

[jc456]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

right? She chooses to discusswith scum like you! I feel very sorry for her and all of my peer skeptics.You, you're just a tool and will always be a tool. You're one of those types like your peers. Have a nice day!

LOLOL....and more gibbering insanity from ol' JustCrazy, another rightwingnut lunatic.

And we have to put up with the likes of you on an almost daily basis of useless data that doesn't mean jack, oh except for you. It's a secret code you all think, I use that loosely, think makes you important. Just makes you tiresome to others.

 

[RollingThunder]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

right? She chooses to discusswith scum like you! I feel very sorry for her and all of my peer skeptics.You, you're just a tool and will always be a tool. You're one of those types like your peers. Have a nice day!

LOLOL....and more gibbering insanity from ol' JustCrazy, another rightwingnut lunatic.

And we have to put up with the likes of you on an almost daily basis of useless data that doesn't mean jack, oh except for you. It's a secret code you all think, I use that loosely, think makes you important. Just makes you tiresome to others.

We all know already that you are too stupid to understand the science. No need to reiterate.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Do you pay your taxes every year at the barrel of a gun? Do the police come and twist your arm up behind your back?

It is the same force with which the state attempts to keep people from stealing, from violence, from rape, from molesting children, from murder. If you object to the idea, you object to the rule of law.

Just fail to pay them... The first step is seizure of bank accounts and then property. Yes they do remove you by force.

 

[Billy_Bob]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

right? She chooses to discusswith scum like you! I feel very sorry for her and all of my peer skeptics.You, you're just a tool and will always be a tool. You're one of those types like your peers. Have a nice day!

LOLOL....and more gibbering insanity from ol' JustCrazy, another rightwingnut lunatic.

And we have to put up with the likes of you on an almost daily basis of useless data that doesn't mean jack, oh except for you. It's a secret code you all think, I use that loosely, think makes you important. Just makes you tiresome to others.

We all know already that you are too stupid to understand the science. No need to reiterate.

The moron patrol is out in full force today... Quoting john Stewart is like quoting a turd...

 

[RollingThunder]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

right? She chooses to discusswith scum like you! I feel very sorry for her and all of my peer skeptics.You, you're just a tool and will always be a tool. You're one of those types like your peers. Have a nice day!

LOLOL....and more gibbering insanity from ol' JustCrazy, another rightwingnut lunatic.

And we have to put up with the likes of you on an almost daily basis of useless data that doesn't mean jack, oh except for you. It's a secret code you all think, I use that loosely, think makes you important. Just makes you tiresome to others.

We all know already that you are too stupid to understand the science. No need to reiterate.

The moron patrol is out in full force today...

That amounts to some very unusual self honesty on your part....

BTW, don't you ever get tired of being such a moron? Well, too bad. You can't fix 'stupid'. You're just stuck with it.

Why don't you just keep your mouth shut and let people simply think you're retarded rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt.


***

 

[Billy_Bob]

We'll Ill be...

The arctic Melt season is officially over,4 weeks ahead of schedule..

WE have made the turn and this is why....

We have broken records for cold this month in the Arctic in many northern areas and the trend is right on schedule, albeit colder..

 

[RollingThunder]

We'll Ill be...

The arctic Melt season is officially over,4 weeks ahead of schedule..

WE have made the turn and this is why....

We have broken records for cold this month in the Arctic in many northern areas and the trend is right on schedule, albeit colder..

LOLOLOLOL......too funny....just the kind of delusional nonsense ol' BoobyBobNutJob would be sure to fall for.

"The arctic Melt season is officially over"....LOL...riiiight....if you google that phrase, you find it repeated ONLY on the denier cult blogs where one repeats the others, nowhere else. It's "official" only in their little fantasy world/echo chamber. In the real world, the end of the Arctic melt season has not been officially announced yet, but it usually occurs in mid September or so. The trend has been for the melt seasons to start earlier and end later, as AGW warms the Arctic several times faster than the rest of the planet.

NSIDC, NASA Say Arctic Melt Season Lengthening, Ocean Rapidly Warming
NASA
By Maria-José Viñas - NASA’s Earth Science News Team
March 31, 2014
(Government Publication - free to reproduce or reprint)
The length of the melt season for Arctic sea ice is growing by several days each decade, and an earlier start to the melt season is allowing the Arctic Ocean to absorb enough additional solar radiation in some places to melt as much as four feet of the Arctic ice cap’s thickness, according to a new study by National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) and NASA researchers.

Arctic sea ice has been in sharp decline during the last four decades. The sea ice cover is shrinking and thinning, making scientists think an ice-free Arctic Ocean during the summer might be reached this century. The seven lowest September sea ice extents in the satellite record have all occurred in the past seven years.

"The Arctic is warming and this is causing the melt season to last longer," said Julienne Stroeve, a senior scientist at NSIDC, Boulder and lead author of the new study, which has been accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters. "The lengthening of the melt season is allowing for more of the sun’s energy to get stored in the ocean and increase ice melt during the summer, overall weakening the sea ice cover."

To study the evolution of sea ice melt onset and freeze-up dates from 1979 to the present day, Stroeve’s team used passive microwave data from NASA’s Nimbus-7 Scanning Multichannel Microwave Radiometer, and the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager and the Special Sensor Microwave Imager and Sounder carried onboard Defense Meteorological Satellite Program spacecraft.

When ice and snow begin to melt, the presence of water causes spikes in the microwave radiation that the snow grains emit, which these sensors can detect. Once the melt season is in full force, the microwave emissivity of the ice and snow stabilizes, and it doesn’t change again until the onset of the freezing season causes another set of spikes. Scientists can measure the changes in the ice’s microwave emissivity using a formula developed by Thorsten Markus, co-author of the paper and chief of the Cryospheric Sciences Laboratory at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

Results show that although the melt season is lengthening at both ends, with an earlier melt onset in the spring and a later freeze-up in the fall, the predominant phenomenon extending the melting is the later start of the freeze season. Some areas, such as the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas, are freezing up between six and 11 days later per decade. But while melt onset variations are smaller, the timing of the beginning of the melt season has a larger impact on the amount of solar radiation absorbed by the ocean, because its timing coincides with when the sun is higher and brighter in the Arctic sky.

Despite large regional variations in the beginning and end of the melt season, the Arctic melt season has lengthened on average by five days per decade from 1979 to 2013.

Still, weather makes the timing of the autumn freeze-up vary a lot from year to year.

"There is a trend for later freeze-up, but we can’t tell whether a particular year is going to have an earlier or later freeze-up," Stroeve said. "There remains a lot of variability from year to year as to the exact timing of when the ice will reform, making it difficult for industry to plan when to stop operations in the Arctic."

To measure changes in the amount of solar energy absorbed by the ice and ocean, the researchers looked at the evolution of sea surface temperatures and studied monthly surface albedo data (the amount of solar energy reflected by the ice and the ocean) together with the incoming solar radiation for the months of May through October. The albedo and sea surface temperature data the researchers used comes from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s polar-orbiting satellites.

They found that the ice pack and ocean waters are absorbing more and more sunlight due both to an earlier opening of the waters and a darkening of the sea ice. The sea ice cover is becoming less reflective because it now mostly consists of thinner, younger ice, which is less reflective than the older ice that previously dominated the ice pack. Also, the young ice is flatter, allowing the dark melt ponds that form at the early stages of the melt season are able to spread more widely, further lowering its albedo.

The researchers calculated the increase in solar radiation absorbed by the ice and ocean for the period ranging from 2007 to 2011, which in some areas of the Arctic Ocean exceed 300 to 400 megajoules per square meter, or the amount of energy needed to thin the ice by an additional 3.1 to 4.2 feet (97 to 130 centimeters).

The increases in surface ocean temperatures, combined with a warming Arctic atmosphere due to climate change, explain the delayed freeze up in the fall.

"If air and ocean temperatures are similar, the ocean is not going to lose heat to the atmosphere as fast as it would when the differences are greater," said Linette Boisvert, co-author of the paper and a cryospheric scientist at Goddard. "In the last years, the upper ocean heat content is much higher than it used to be, so it’s going to take a longer time to cool off and for freeze up to begin."

 

[jc456]

We'll Ill be...

The arctic Melt season is officially over,4 weeks ahead of schedule..

WE have made the turn and this is why....

We have broken records for cold this month in the Arctic in many northern areas and the trend is right on schedule, albeit colder..

LOLOLOLOL......too funny....just the kind of delusional nonsense ol' BoobyBobNutJob would be sure to fall for.

"The arctic Melt season is officially over"....LOL...riiiight....if you google that phrase, you find it repeated ONLY on the denier cult blogs where one repeats the others, nowhere else. It's "official" only in their little fantasy world/echo chamber. In the real world, the end of the Arctic melt season has not been officially announced yet, but it usually occurs in mid September or so. The trend has been for the melt seasons to start earlier and end later, as AGW warms the Arctic several times faster than the rest of the planet.

NSIDC, NASA Say Arctic Melt Season Lengthening, Ocean Rapidly Warming
NASA
By Maria-José Viñas - NASA’s Earth Science News Team
March 31, 2014
(Government Publication - free to reproduce or reprint)
The length of the melt season for Arctic sea ice is growing by several days each decade, and an earlier start to the melt season is allowing the Arctic Ocean to absorb enough additional solar radiation in some places to melt as much as four feet of the Arctic ice cap’s thickness, according to a new study by National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) and NASA researchers.

Arctic sea ice has been in sharp decline during the last four decades. The sea ice cover is shrinking and thinning, making scientists think an ice-free Arctic Ocean during the summer might be reached this century. The seven lowest September sea ice extents in the satellite record have all occurred in the past seven years.

"The Arctic is warming and this is causing the melt season to last longer," said Julienne Stroeve, a senior scientist at NSIDC, Boulder and lead author of the new study, which has been accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters. "The lengthening of the melt season is allowing for more of the sun’s energy to get stored in the ocean and increase ice melt during the summer, overall weakening the sea ice cover."

To study the evolution of sea ice melt onset and freeze-up dates from 1979 to the present day, Stroeve’s team used passive microwave data from NASA’s Nimbus-7 Scanning Multichannel Microwave Radiometer, and the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager and the Special Sensor Microwave Imager and Sounder carried onboard Defense Meteorological Satellite Program spacecraft.

When ice and snow begin to melt, the presence of water causes spikes in the microwave radiation that the snow grains emit, which these sensors can detect. Once the melt season is in full force, the microwave emissivity of the ice and snow stabilizes, and it doesn’t change again until the onset of the freezing season causes another set of spikes. Scientists can measure the changes in the ice’s microwave emissivity using a formula developed by Thorsten Markus, co-author of the paper and chief of the Cryospheric Sciences Laboratory at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

Results show that although the melt season is lengthening at both ends, with an earlier melt onset in the spring and a later freeze-up in the fall, the predominant phenomenon extending the melting is the later start of the freeze season. Some areas, such as the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas, are freezing up between six and 11 days later per decade. But while melt onset variations are smaller, the timing of the beginning of the melt season has a larger impact on the amount of solar radiation absorbed by the ocean, because its timing coincides with when the sun is higher and brighter in the Arctic sky.

Despite large regional variations in the beginning and end of the melt season, the Arctic melt season has lengthened on average by five days per decade from 1979 to 2013.

Still, weather makes the timing of the autumn freeze-up vary a lot from year to year.

"There is a trend for later freeze-up, but we can’t tell whether a particular year is going to have an earlier or later freeze-up," Stroeve said. "There remains a lot of variability from year to year as to the exact timing of when the ice will reform, making it difficult for industry to plan when to stop operations in the Arctic."

To measure changes in the amount of solar energy absorbed by the ice and ocean, the researchers looked at the evolution of sea surface temperatures and studied monthly surface albedo data (the amount of solar energy reflected by the ice and the ocean) together with the incoming solar radiation for the months of May through October. The albedo and sea surface temperature data the researchers used comes from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s polar-orbiting satellites.

They found that the ice pack and ocean waters are absorbing more and more sunlight due both to an earlier opening of the waters and a darkening of the sea ice. The sea ice cover is becoming less reflective because it now mostly consists of thinner, younger ice, which is less reflective than the older ice that previously dominated the ice pack. Also, the young ice is flatter, allowing the dark melt ponds that form at the early stages of the melt season are able to spread more widely, further lowering its albedo.

The researchers calculated the increase in solar radiation absorbed by the ice and ocean for the period ranging from 2007 to 2011, which in some areas of the Arctic Ocean exceed 300 to 400 megajoules per square meter, or the amount of energy needed to thin the ice by an additional 3.1 to 4.2 feet (97 to 130 centimeters).

The increases in surface ocean temperatures, combined with a warming Arctic atmosphere due to climate change, explain the delayed freeze up in the fall.

"If air and ocean temperatures are similar, the ocean is not going to lose heat to the atmosphere as fast as it would when the differences are greater," said Linette Boisvert, co-author of the paper and a cryospheric scientist at Goddard. "In the last years, the upper ocean heat content is much higher than it used to be, so it’s going to take a longer time to cool off and for freeze up to begin."

dude, do you ever read the dates on the material you post? Seriously? So the melt continues in the Arctic during winter months, that's a kick. Perhaps you should first learn how the earth rotates and the key seasons of warm and cold. still a tool. If I had a hammer, oh wait you are one!

 

[jc456]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

right? She chooses to discusswith scum like you! I feel very sorry for her and all of my peer skeptics.You, you're just a tool and will always be a tool. You're one of those types like your peers. Have a nice day!

LOLOL....and more gibbering insanity from ol' JustCrazy, another rightwingnut lunatic.

And we have to put up with the likes of you on an almost daily basis of useless data that doesn't mean jack, oh except for you. It's a secret code you all think, I use that loosely, think makes you important. Just makes you tiresome to others.

We all know already that you are too stupid to understand the science. No need to reiterate.

The moron patrol is out in full force today... Quoting john Stewart is like quoting a turd...

Calling that useless tool a moron is too nice. Nice catch on the quote!

 

[Billy_Bob]

We'll Ill be...

The arctic Melt season is officially over,4 weeks ahead of schedule..

WE have made the turn and this is why....

We have broken records for cold this month in the Arctic in many northern areas and the trend is right on schedule, albeit colder..

LOLOLOLOL......too funny....just the kind of delusional nonsense ol' BoobyBobNutJob would be sure to fall for.

"The arctic Melt season is officially over"....LOL...riiiight....if you google that phrase, you find it repeated ONLY on the denier cult blogs where one repeats the others, nowhere else. It's "official" only in their little fantasy world/echo chamber. In the real world, the end of the Arctic melt season has not been officially announced yet, but it usually occurs in mid September or so. The trend has been for the melt seasons to start earlier and end later, as AGW warms the Arctic several times faster than the rest of the planet.

NSIDC, NASA Say Arctic Melt Season Lengthening, Ocean Rapidly Warming
NASA
By Maria-José Viñas - NASA’s Earth Science News Team
March 31, 2014
(Government Publication - free to reproduce or reprint)
The length of the melt season for Arctic sea ice is growing by several days each decade, and an earlier start to the melt season is allowing the Arctic Ocean to absorb enough additional solar radiation in some places to melt as much as four feet of the Arctic ice cap’s thickness, according to a new study by National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) and NASA researchers.

Arctic sea ice has been in sharp decline during the last four decades. The sea ice cover is shrinking and thinning, making scientists think an ice-free Arctic Ocean during the summer might be reached this century. The seven lowest September sea ice extents in the satellite record have all occurred in the past seven years.

"The Arctic is warming and this is causing the melt season to last longer," said Julienne Stroeve, a senior scientist at NSIDC, Boulder and lead author of the new study, which has been accepted for publication in Geophysical Research Letters. "The lengthening of the melt season is allowing for more of the sun’s energy to get stored in the ocean and increase ice melt during the summer, overall weakening the sea ice cover."

To study the evolution of sea ice melt onset and freeze-up dates from 1979 to the present day, Stroeve’s team used passive microwave data from NASA’s Nimbus-7 Scanning Multichannel Microwave Radiometer, and the Special Sensor Microwave/Imager and the Special Sensor Microwave Imager and Sounder carried onboard Defense Meteorological Satellite Program spacecraft.

When ice and snow begin to melt, the presence of water causes spikes in the microwave radiation that the snow grains emit, which these sensors can detect. Once the melt season is in full force, the microwave emissivity of the ice and snow stabilizes, and it doesn’t change again until the onset of the freezing season causes another set of spikes. Scientists can measure the changes in the ice’s microwave emissivity using a formula developed by Thorsten Markus, co-author of the paper and chief of the Cryospheric Sciences Laboratory at NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md.

Results show that although the melt season is lengthening at both ends, with an earlier melt onset in the spring and a later freeze-up in the fall, the predominant phenomenon extending the melting is the later start of the freeze season. Some areas, such as the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas, are freezing up between six and 11 days later per decade. But while melt onset variations are smaller, the timing of the beginning of the melt season has a larger impact on the amount of solar radiation absorbed by the ocean, because its timing coincides with when the sun is higher and brighter in the Arctic sky.

Despite large regional variations in the beginning and end of the melt season, the Arctic melt season has lengthened on average by five days per decade from 1979 to 2013.

Still, weather makes the timing of the autumn freeze-up vary a lot from year to year.

"There is a trend for later freeze-up, but we can’t tell whether a particular year is going to have an earlier or later freeze-up," Stroeve said. "There remains a lot of variability from year to year as to the exact timing of when the ice will reform, making it difficult for industry to plan when to stop operations in the Arctic."

To measure changes in the amount of solar energy absorbed by the ice and ocean, the researchers looked at the evolution of sea surface temperatures and studied monthly surface albedo data (the amount of solar energy reflected by the ice and the ocean) together with the incoming solar radiation for the months of May through October. The albedo and sea surface temperature data the researchers used comes from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s polar-orbiting satellites.

They found that the ice pack and ocean waters are absorbing more and more sunlight due both to an earlier opening of the waters and a darkening of the sea ice. The sea ice cover is becoming less reflective because it now mostly consists of thinner, younger ice, which is less reflective than the older ice that previously dominated the ice pack. Also, the young ice is flatter, allowing the dark melt ponds that form at the early stages of the melt season are able to spread more widely, further lowering its albedo.

The researchers calculated the increase in solar radiation absorbed by the ice and ocean for the period ranging from 2007 to 2011, which in some areas of the Arctic Ocean exceed 300 to 400 megajoules per square meter, or the amount of energy needed to thin the ice by an additional 3.1 to 4.2 feet (97 to 130 centimeters).

The increases in surface ocean temperatures, combined with a warming Arctic atmosphere due to climate change, explain the delayed freeze up in the fall.

"If air and ocean temperatures are similar, the ocean is not going to lose heat to the atmosphere as fast as it would when the differences are greater," said Linette Boisvert, co-author of the paper and a cryospheric scientist at Goddard. "In the last years, the upper ocean heat content is much higher than it used to be, so it’s going to take a longer time to cool off and for freeze up to begin."

dude, do you ever read the dates on the material you post? Seriously? So the melt continues in the Arctic during winter months, that's a kick. Perhaps you should first learn how the earth rotates and the key seasons of warm and cold. still a tool. If I had a hammer, oh wait you are one!

Dude DO YOU EVER USE YOUR OWN BRAIN? Sea water freezes at 28 Deg F. It is well below that point at this time. Fresh water ponds have been frozen over for about 25 days now. Their own data shows that the melt has stopped and the turn in ice loss to zero loss shows that.

Why is it that warmists can not grasp observational science? Have we lost so many basic science skills due to playing with broken models? Have the models become reality for some of these people?

 

[jc456]

you meant that for the tool right?

 

[2aguy]

You know...you would think that "Climategate" would have given the man made global warming religionists a moment to step back and think about the priests they are following...but no...too much money involved, too much power and false prestige...

 

[Crick]

No, too little evidence of any but the most trivial wrongdoing.

 

[paulitician]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

Go save the planet anyway you see fit. That's fine with me. I won't stop you. But i will try to stop you from forcing your agenda on me by way of Government intimidation and force. So you go on living in fear of your Global Warming Boogeyman. That's your call. But leave the rest of us alone.

 

[2aguy]

No, too little evidence of any but the most trivial wrongdoing.

They hid and destroyed data concerning the IPCC reports that all those dimwit scientists signed on supporting their data...they tried to keep skeptics suppressed, they tried to get editors fired...so even thought the 97% consensus is fake all on it's own...those scientists who parrot the data those guys hid, destroyed, and changed are spreading the lie unintentionally....

 

[paulitician]

I'm afraid you're wrong. About everything.

The vast, vast majority of the American people aren't worried about communists or socialists. You're living in the past. In a tired past that had nothing going for it in any case. Paranoia is a state that people medicate themselves to get out of. The world doesn't need more of it.

One often hears conservative Americans complaining about "too much government in their lives". But ask them for the details and you'll very often find them growing closed-lipped. And mention the possibility of ending some of the benefits that government involvement gets them and watch their dander rise right off their sunburned heads.

You're the only one here talking about any sort of force being applied. There has certainly been not the slightest mention of anyone on my side of this argument of changing people's lifestyles by force. There's been mention of doing it with taxes and rebates and incentives and disincentives, regulations and fees, but no force. They call those sorts of things the practice of governance. You don't sound like you're a fan of any of it, but that probably puts you a lo-o-o-ong ways from America's political centroid.

Warning the people of the planet - not just Americans - that AGW poses a real and serious threat with which we need to deal, is not fear mongering. It's responsible democracy. I think your suggestion that the folks in this nation that accept mainstream science and are concerned about the sort of world we'll be leaving our children and grandchildren, are communists and socialists intent on pushing an unwanted and unwarranted lifestyle on the rest of the American people by force... THAT is fear mongering. And lying to boot.

Just pointing out reality. It is Communists/Socialists who are doing most of the 'Global Warming' fear mongering. And they are trying to force their agenda on others by way of Government intimidation and force. But the People don't want more Government control of their lives. They already have enough of that.

So as i've said many times before, you personally are free to go 'save the planet' any way you see fit. Grab a tent and go live in the wilderness or something. You're free to make that call. No one will stop you. But leave the rest of us alone. We've decided on Freedom & Liberty instead. We'll take our chances with the Global Warming Boogeyman.

You poor pathetic rightwingnut lunatic.

right? She chooses to discusswith scum like you! I feel very sorry for her and all of my peer skeptics.You, you're just a tool and will always be a tool. You're one of those types like your peers. Have a nice day!

They're like so many others pushing agendas. They want to force their agendas on others. And they use Government to do it. But thankfully, more & more are standing up and saying no to more Government control of their lives. The Warming zealots had their day. And that day has now passed. The People want Freedom & Liberty.

 

[mamooth]

dude, do you ever read the dates on the material you post? Seriously? So the melt continues in the Arctic during winter months, that's a kick. Perhaps you should first learn how the earth rotates and the key seasons of warm and cold. still a tool. If I had a hammer, oh wait you are one!

Dude DO YOU EVER USE YOUR OWN BRAIN?

jc is a hardcore denier. So, of course he never uses his own brain. He's got the cult to tell him what to think.

As you correctly pointed out, most deniers don't grasp basic physics or common sense. That lack of critical thinking ability is the same reason why most of them here are raving about the UN black helicopters. Most deniers don't have any mental defenses against cult manipulation.