Mystery Babylon(babel on)

[surada]

That is not true Trajan himself went out of his way and entered the ruins of Babylon showing that Babylon was held in high regard by the Roman elites and since Rome liked to steal or plagerize other cultures ideas and take them for their own it is rather obvious they did the same by emulating what they wanted from past Babylonianhistory.. Much of this knowledge was cataloged and found in some of the major libraries that Roman scholars and scribes had access too

Trajan entered the ruins of Babylon. Rome had zero contact with Babylon. Babylon had no influence over Rome.

 

[surada]

That is not true Trajan himself went out of his way and entered the ruins of Babylon showing that Babylon was held in high regard by the Roman elites and since Rome liked to steal or plagerize other cultures ideas and take them for their own it is rather obvious they did the same by emulating what they wanted from past Babylonianhistory.. Much of this knowledge was cataloged and found in some of the major libraries that Roman scholars and scribes had access too

The Babylonian Empire fell to the Achaemenid Empire in 539 BCE, and the Roman Empire was founded in 27 BCE, meaning that there were over five hundred years in between the existence of these two empires.

 

[shimon]

Are you a parot … Parots can parrot their master like for example Polly wants a cracker…Does Surada want a cracker… The Romans had many scholars in many libraries and places of learning they were well versed in Babylon and their practises it doesn’t matter how many years these empires existed from each other the Romans borrowed and emulated from pre exsisting peoples and cultures the Romans knew and took what they wanted from the Babylonians and it was important enough for Trajan himself to venture there because they were obviously held in high regard by the ruling elite of Rome obviously…

 

[surada]

Are you a parot … Parots can parrot their master like for example Polly wants a cracker…Does Surada want a cracker… The Romans had many scholars in many libraries and places of learning they were well versed in Babylon and their practises it doesn’t matter how many years these empires existed from each other the Romans borrowed and emulated from pre exsisting peoples and cultures the Romans knew and took what they wanted from the Babylonians and it was important enough for Trajan himself to venture there because they were obviously held in high regard by the ruling elite of Rome obviously…

Rome was never the Whore of Babylon until Martin Luther in the 15th century.

 

[shimon]

Rome was never the Whore of Babylon until Martin Luther in the 15th century.

Here is an article that contradicts your premise Surada that boomerang just keeps coming back your way doesn’t it……..MYSTERY BABYLON is Rome​

The identity of Mystery Babylon was clearly known even before the cannon was closed. Mystery Babylon is neither the United States, New York, London, Mecca, Jerusalem or Medina. Mystery Babylon is Rome, with the Vatican at its very core. The Bible calls MYSTERY BABYLON a ‘city’ not a nation. Catholic Rome claims to be the ‘Eternal City’ and the ‘Holy City.’ It also espouses to be the ‘New Jerusalem.’ The Bible explicitly says, “the woman…is that great city” (Rev 17:18).

The apostle Peter provides an essential clue when he references Rome as Babylon, “The church here in Babylon…sends you her greeting” (1st Peter 5:13). The literal city of Babylon was only a small backwater when Peter penned these words. He was speaking metaphorically. This reference of Babylon as Rome, is perhaps, one of the reasons for the Apostle Peter’s connection to the city (Rome).

Rome was labeled ‘Babylon’ by Tertulian, Jerome, Augustine, the Sibylline Oracles and Jewish Apocalyptic literature. Commentary within the Geneva Bible (1576), explicitly states the harlot of Revelation 17:5, as Rome. It was seen as ‘a second Babylon’ because, like the first Babylon, Rome was responsible for the destruction of Jerusalem. Babylon is also found as a name for Rome in the Apocrypha.

 

[irosie91]

Here is an article that contradicts your premise Surada that boomerang just keeps coming back your way doesn’t it……..MYSTERY BABYLON is Rome​

The identity of Mystery Babylon was clearly known even before the cannon was closed. Mystery Babylon is neither the United States, New York, London, Mecca, Jerusalem or Medina. Mystery Babylon is Rome, with the Vatican at its very core. The Bible calls MYSTERY BABYLON a ‘city’ not a nation. Catholic Rome claims to be the ‘Eternal City’ and the ‘Holy City.’ It also espouses to be the ‘New Jerusalem.’ The Bible explicitly says, “the woman…is that great city” (Rev 17:18).

The apostle Peter provides an essential clue when he references Rome as Babylon, “The church here in Babylon…sends you her greeting” (1st Peter 5:13). The literal city of Babylon was only a small backwater when Peter penned these words. He was speaking metaphorically. This reference of Babylon as Rome, is perhaps, one of the reasons for the Apostle Peter’s connection to the city (Rome).

Rome was labeled ‘Babylon’ by Tertulian, Jerome, Augustine, the Sibylline Oracles and Jewish Apocalyptic literature. Commentary within the Geneva Bible (1576), explicitly states the harlot of Revelation 17:5, as Rome. It was seen as ‘a second Babylon’ because, like the first Babylon, Rome was responsible for the destruction of Jerusalem. Babylon is also found as a name for Rome in the Apocrypha.

so far----that one ^^^ makes the most sense---but the BOOK OF REVULSIONS ----seems to be mushroom galvanized

 

[shimon]

so far----that one ^^^ makes the most sense---but the BOOK OF REVULSIONS ----seems to be mushroom galvanized

There is always a speck of truth in everything even if there are many lies and discrepancies that can be found or it is based on even that book you so aptly named..

 

[irosie91]

There is always a speck of truth in everything even if there are many lies and discrepancies that can be found or it is based on even that book you so aptly named..

YES I never discount scriptural writings

 

[surada]

Thought you guys claim John of Patmos a Jew?
And what does the church borrowing from Babylon have to do with one's ethnicity?
Your comment is racist, what happened to your boasting Christian virtues?
Even the church elect admit these things hence sources of Cardinal Newmans book on the subject.

Wasn't John of Patmos a Jew?

 

[irosie91]

Wasn't John of Patmos a Jew?

was he? there were SO MANY persons named "JOHN"

 

[surada]

Here is an article that contradicts your premise Surada that boomerang just keeps coming back your way doesn’t it……..MYSTERY BABYLON is Rome​

The identity of Mystery Babylon was clearly known even before the cannon was closed. Mystery Babylon is neither the United States, New York, London, Mecca, Jerusalem or Medina. Mystery Babylon is Rome, with the Vatican at its very core. The Bible calls MYSTERY BABYLON a ‘city’ not a nation. Catholic Rome claims to be the ‘Eternal City’ and the ‘Holy City.’ It also espouses to be the ‘New Jerusalem.’ The Bible explicitly says, “the woman…is that great city” (Rev 17:18).

The apostle Peter provides an essential clue when he references Rome as Babylon, “The church here in Babylon…sends you her greeting” (1st Peter 5:13). The literal city of Babylon was only a small backwater when Peter penned these words. He was speaking metaphorically. This reference of Babylon as Rome, is perhaps, one of the reasons for the Apostle Peter’s connection to the city (Rome).

Rome was labeled ‘Babylon’ by Tertulian, Jerome, Augustine, the Sibylline Oracles and Jewish Apocalyptic literature. Commentary within the Geneva Bible (1576), explicitly states the harlot of Revelation 17:5, as Rome. It was seen as ‘a second Babylon’ because, like the first Babylon, Rome was responsible for the destruction of Jerusalem. Babylon is also found as a name for Rome in the Apocrypha.

norwegen

All through the Old Testament various prophets scold Israel for her harlotry.. for whoring after false gods.

Rome was not part of that history... Babylon was.

Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Rev 11:8

 

[irosie91]

norwegen

All through the Old Testament various prophets scold Israel for her harlotry.. for whoring after false gods.

Rome was not part of that history... Babylon was.

Their bodies will lie in the public square of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Rev 11:8

all thru the "old testament" the prophets scold Israel for being ANYTHING LIKE, doing ANYTHING LIKE, marrying "THEM" etc. to wit, those nations of perversity and their fake, false, and disgusting "gods" and they term such
interaction, HARLOTRY

 

[surada]

all thru the "old testament" the prophets scold Israel for being ANYTHING LIKE, doing ANYTHING LIKE, marrying "THEM" etc. to wit, those nations of perversity and their fake, false, and disgusting "gods" and they term such
interaction, HARLOTRY

Judg. 2. [17] And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.

 

[irosie91]

Judg. 2. [17] And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.

right---ROME fits the bill.

 

[surada]

right---ROME fits the bill.

The Roman emperor was the beast. Israel was the whore of Babylon until the 15th century.

 

[irosie91]

The Roman emperor was the beast. Israel was the whore of Babylon until the 15th century.

LOL----jelly bean school

 

[surada]

LOL----jelly bean school

From the scriptures.

Several Old Testament prophets referred to Jerusalem as being a spiritual harlot and a mother of such harlotry (Isaiah 1:21; Jeremiah 2:20; 3:1–11; Ezekiel 16:1–43; 23, as well as Epistle to the Galatians 4:25).

 

[irosie91]

From the scriptures.

Several Old Testament prophets referred to Jerusalem as being a spiritual harlot and a mother of such harlotry (Isaiah 1:21; Jeremiah 2:20; 3:1–11; Ezekiel 16:1–43; 23, as well as Epistle to the Galatians 4:25).

right---ESPECIALLY JEREMIAH and you missed one EZRA----their big bone of contention was the issue of INTERMARRIAGE which brought all kinds of filth into the community. A very interesting issue----Ezra so criticized the YEMENITE community for intermarriage with Ethiopian ladies----THAT THEY NEVER FORGOT IT-----they are still annoyed at IRAQI JEWS. It's kinda funny.
Review (now that you know) AHAB AND JEZEBEL. (there was a jelly bean
school valedictorian on this board who referred to JEZEBEL as "THE JEWISH
QUEEN" SHEEEESH

 

[surada]

right---ESPECIALLY JEREMIAH and you missed one EZRA----their big bone of contention was the issue of INTERMARRIAGE which brought all kinds of filth into the community. A very interesting issue----Ezra so criticized the YEMENITE community for intermarriage with Ethiopian ladies----THAT THEY NEVER FORGOT IT-----they are still annoyed at IRAQI JEWS. It's kinda funny.
Review (now that you know) AHAB AND JEZEBEL. (there was a jelly bean
school valedictorian on this board who referred to JEZEBEL as "THE JEWISH
QUEEN" SHEEEESH

Ezra was in the picture after the Babylonian exile. He tells the Jews not to have foreign wives. But, why do the prophets accuse Israel of behaving like a harlot even before the exile?

I think Jezebel was Phoenician.

 

[irosie91]

Ezra was in the picture after the Babylonian exile. He tells the Jews not to have foreign wives. But, why do the prophets accuse Israel of behaving like a harlot even before the exile?

I think Jezebel was Phoenician.

they were harlots because they got involved with "foreign" cultures. REMEMBER?----them Levant people MOVED AROUND---lots. A very big
issue was "NEVER GO BACK TO EGYPT" Egypt was consider a center of
evil----then it was BABYLON (of course---PHILISTIA was another one)---and
all the MOLOCH WORSHIPPERS. (new york was not mentioned ---or hollywood) Moloch and THAT evil still comes up----poetically---ALL DA TIME