My wifes story should be a caution for all in favor of "single payer healthcare"

[debbiedowner]

In this situation in the U.S. single payer would have nothing to with it, it would fall strickly under workers comp.

Why would there be workers comp under a single payer system?

You're correct we wouldn't need it if true single payer.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What have we learned from the attitudes of the people here. They only care about themselves. They only want the best healthcare for themselves and if the poor and unfortunate get hurt or get sick they really don't care. It has nothing to do with saving or losing money to these egotistical people, it's about taking care of themselves and stomping on anyone who gets in their way.

So what do you think Commie Care is? It was created to give likely Democrat voters access to healthcare insurance at the cost to us middle-class workers who can't afford it. None of those poor people gave a crap about us when we lost our healthcare, so why should we give a crap about them now?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In this situation in the U.S. single payer would have nothing to with it, it would fall strickly under workers comp.

Why would there be workers comp under a single payer system?

You're correct we wouldn't need it if true single payer.

Several years ago I had to go to the post office. The line was long and there was only one worker behind the counter. I live in a predominately black community, and the black woman behind me said (outloud so the post office worker could hear) THIS IS RIDICULOUS. HERE WE ARE, WAITING IN LINE ALL THIS TIME, AND ALL THEY CAN DO FOR US IS PUT ONE WORKER BEHIND THE COUNTER???

I turned to the woman and said "This isn't the worst of it. These are the same people Obama wants to run our healthcare." Oh did she give me a dirty look.

 

[Freewill]

In this situation in the U.S. single payer would have nothing to with it, it would fall strickly under workers comp.

Why would there be workers comp under a single payer system?

Companies want worker's compensation. It relieves them of the threat of a law suit for injury at work. It really has little to do with healthcare. More to do with companies trying to get out of taking care of their workers.

 

[Freewill]

So, after a few months, my wife was finally able to see someone regarding her knee. She needs a knee replacement, is already on government workers comp as it happened at work, she is using a cane, has limited mobility etc. She has been in pain for months, had to stay at work on modified duty for a few months, and STILL has not even met a surgeon for the original consultation. The person she was able to see was not from the surgeons office, they called her and set up an appointment at a "joint assessment" office. What in the hell for?

Delays, painful waiting, and layers of bureaucrats and clowns. All of this, and she STILL not even had an appointment with the surgeon for consultation. The surgeon they had originally referred to by her doctor, has a 6-9 month list to see him, and another year after for surgery! Tell me that this is the messed up, big government joke of a healthcare system Americans want.

Now, the insurance costs you pay in America go towards actual healthcare You might pay for it, but at least you don't have to suffer in pain and wait for the entitled system to work it's way through. This injury happened in March ffs. In the end, my wife will probably be forced to accept sub low performing, sub par Canadian surgeon that others try to avoid. Some even have reviews in which they botched surgeries and they went a period of only a few months to have it done again to fix the first one. "Here ya go, a nice surgeon for you and you on;y have to wait six months instead of a year to see this incompetent idiot".

Single Payer system is just big government and abuse. Something the Canadian system knows very well based on the RCMP and their incompetent friends. it expands to provincial and municipal apparatuses of all kinds.

It could be worse.

I know a lady who was visiting Germany from the US when she had a bowel obstruction. They did immediate emergency surgery but it did not get better. The doctors attitude was that they tried by failed. Besides, she was 70 years old and lived a good life so let her die.

Luckily for her, her son was a physician in the US and flew over there and raised hell. They then decided to do another surgery and she completely recovered. That was 10 years ago and she is still doing fine.

This is what happens with socialized medicine.

Or simply take the example of Vets at the VA who were very sick people and costly being put on secret death lists in Arizona.

To sell a single payer plan they will champion it as giving more people health care coverage, who would have been treated anyway regardless. However, once all power to treat goes to a small group of people they can begin to wean off health care from those who they deem are not worthy and give it to those who are. Those who are considered productive citizens who have a future will get much better care than those who are not.

We were told long ago what Obama and the dims were going to do.

What you describe could happen with any form of healthcare.

What the discussion centers around is how healthcare is paid for.

Do you have an answer to heath care costs escalating faster then the inflation rate?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In this situation in the U.S. single payer would have nothing to with it, it would fall strickly under workers comp.

Why would there be workers comp under a single payer system?

Companies want worker's compensation. It relieves them of the threat of a law suit for injury at work. It really has little to do with healthcare. More to do with companies trying to get out of taking care of their workers.

Actually it's law where I live. If you have employees, you have to have workman's comp.

 

[Freewill]

In this situation in the U.S. single payer would have nothing to with it, it would fall strickly under workers comp.

Why would there be workers comp under a single payer system?

Companies want worker's compensation. It relieves them of the threat of a law suit for injury at work. It really has little to do with healthcare. More to do with companies trying to get out of taking care of their workers.

Actually it's law where I live. If you have employees, you have to have workman's comp.

Yep, pretty much legislated away the right to sue a company.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

In this situation in the U.S. single payer would have nothing to with it, it would fall strickly under workers comp.

Why would there be workers comp under a single payer system?

Companies want worker's compensation. It relieves them of the threat of a law suit for injury at work. It really has little to do with healthcare. More to do with companies trying to get out of taking care of their workers.

Actually it's law where I live. If you have employees, you have to have workman's comp.

Yep, pretty much legislated away the right to sue a company.

Here an employer has to buy state workman's comp. You have the option to use a private insurer, but my boss tried it, and they audited him right after he made the switch. Same thing happened to my cousin who has his own remodeling business.

 

[Freewill]

In this situation in the U.S. single payer would have nothing to with it, it would fall strickly under workers comp.

Why would there be workers comp under a single payer system?

Companies want worker's compensation. It relieves them of the threat of a law suit for injury at work. It really has little to do with healthcare. More to do with companies trying to get out of taking care of their workers.

Actually it's law where I live. If you have employees, you have to have workman's comp.

Yep, pretty much legislated away the right to sue a company.

Here an employer has to buy state workman's comp. You have the option to use a private insurer, but my boss tried it, and they audited him right after he made the switch. Same thing happened to my cousin who has his own remodeling business.

Ask the employer if they would rather do away with worker's comp and throw injuries onto the court system or keep worker's comp.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why would there be workers comp under a single payer system?

Companies want worker's compensation. It relieves them of the threat of a law suit for injury at work. It really has little to do with healthcare. More to do with companies trying to get out of taking care of their workers.

Actually it's law where I live. If you have employees, you have to have workman's comp.

Yep, pretty much legislated away the right to sue a company.

Here an employer has to buy state workman's comp. You have the option to use a private insurer, but my boss tried it, and they audited him right after he made the switch. Same thing happened to my cousin who has his own remodeling business.

Ask the employer if they would rather do away with worker's comp and throw injuries onto the court system or keep worker's comp.

To be honest I don't know why you just can't use your own medical insurance if you hurt yourself on the job. Your own health insurance won't even look at it if the injury happened on the job. Workman's compensation is so expensive my employer is afraid to use it. He told us if we get hurt, talk to him first before making a claim. He would rather pay cash out of pocket than go through workman's comp unless it's a major expense.

 

[Tuatara]

What have we learned from the attitudes of the people here. They only care about themselves. They only want the best healthcare for themselves and if the poor and unfortunate get hurt or get sick they really don't care. It has nothing to do with saving or losing money to these egotistical people, it's about taking care of themselves and stomping on anyone who gets in their way.

So what do you think Commie Care is? It was created to give likely Democrat voters access to healthcare insurance at the cost to us middle-class workers who can't afford it. None of those poor people gave a crap about us when we lost our healthcare, so why should we give a crap about them now?

Really, you lost your healthcare. Are you saying you have no healthcare? Must be a Trump supporter because you sure know how to lie.

 

[strollingbones]

in 2014..hubby had tkr in both needs.....from the time he walked into the office for the first visit to the time of the surgery was about a month....i hope she gets the needed procedure...its a rough recovery.....after about 2 weeks you will want to kill her yourself..that will pass....how does your wife do when taking narcotics? that is one of the biggest pit falls....trying to get them outta pain and not addicted ....i cannot emphasis how different things are not that his knees both work....he is 3 years out..and glad he did it...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What have we learned from the attitudes of the people here. They only care about themselves. They only want the best healthcare for themselves and if the poor and unfortunate get hurt or get sick they really don't care. It has nothing to do with saving or losing money to these egotistical people, it's about taking care of themselves and stomping on anyone who gets in their way.

So I shouldnt expect better care since I'm paying for it rather than getting it paid for by someone else?

 

[strollingbones]

i was lucky....i had met the deduct by the time his knees were done......never got a bill or eob? i do know the shots he had to take ..to thin the blood were 45 bucks each and he took them for 6 weeks or more....one a day....he cant do aspirin

 

[strollingbones]

at least your wife wont be all pilled up.....yelling....i have ed.....seems not getting an erection for weeks is deadly to men...i am not an empathy person....but i will admit i would yell back....its the blood thinner lol

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What have we learned from the attitudes of the people here. They only care about themselves. They only want the best healthcare for themselves and if the poor and unfortunate get hurt or get sick they really don't care. It has nothing to do with saving or losing money to these egotistical people, it's about taking care of themselves and stomping on anyone who gets in their way.

So what do you think Commie Care is? It was created to give likely Democrat voters access to healthcare insurance at the cost to us middle-class workers who can't afford it. None of those poor people gave a crap about us when we lost our healthcare, so why should we give a crap about them now?

Really, you lost your healthcare. Are you saying you have no healthcare? Must be a Trump supporter because you sure know how to lie.

That's exactly what I'm saying. I applied to Commie Care because I had no choice. But because I'm a middle-class earner, they wanted over 25% of my net pay to get a plan with the clinic I've been going to since a child. The plan had a 7K deductible, 7K out of pocket, no prescription, no dental, and a $50.00 doctor visit copay. It's like not having any insurance at all unless you plan on running in front of a moving bus to see what it feels like.

There is no looking around either. They only have one insurance company in Commie Care that will cover my doctor and hospital which I was promised I could keep if I liked them.

 

[80zephyr]

It has been said that having free health care keeps people from going bankrupt. Well, if you are the breadwinner and you are laid up for months because the system works that slowly, who pays your bills while you wait to be mended?

Mark

 

[Tuatara]

What have we learned from the attitudes of the people here. They only care about themselves. They only want the best healthcare for themselves and if the poor and unfortunate get hurt or get sick they really don't care. It has nothing to do with saving or losing money to these egotistical people, it's about taking care of themselves and stomping on anyone who gets in their way.

So I shouldnt expect better care since I'm paying for it rather than getting it paid for by someone else?

Did you not read my post. We have single payer healthcare and I got 2 different results. In fact my second surgery was from one of the best surgeons in the country. As much as I hated waiting a long tome for my first surgery I would not trade it to prevent others from getting any healthcare because that's just the kind of person I am. Also to see the situation in such black and white terms is absurd. Many hardworking middle class people were denied healthcare through their insurance companies for a multitude of reasons.

 

[strollingbones]

good question.....hubby was outta work 5 months with knee replacements.....i was lucky i could support us for a while...

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

What have we learned from the attitudes of the people here. They only care about themselves. They only want the best healthcare for themselves and if the poor and unfortunate get hurt or get sick they really don't care. It has nothing to do with saving or losing money to these egotistical people, it's about taking care of themselves and stomping on anyone who gets in their way.

So I shouldnt expect better care since I'm paying for it rather than getting it paid for by someone else?

Did you not read my post. We have single payer healthcare and I got 2 different results. In fact my second surgery was from one of the best surgeons in the country. As much as I hated waiting a long tome for my first surgery I would not trade it to prevent others from getting any healthcare because that's just the kind of person I am. Also to see the situation in such black and white terms is absurd. Many hardworking middle class people were denied healthcare through their insurance companies for a multitude of reasons.

So you'd be willing to miss months of work and the pay that goes with it? Not to mention the pain and suffering.
I'm fine with you getting substandard care but personally I prefer high quality care for myself.