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Addressed by as-Suyuti, who demonstrated that no more than 21 ayat are nasikh and mansukh; and subsequently by Shah Waliullah, who posited that as-Suyuti's 21 could be reduced to 5.
My Two Cents Regarding People Who Think Islam Is Intolerant.
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Addressed by as-Suyuti, who demonstrated that no more than 21 ayat are nasikh and mansukh; and subsequently by Shah Waliullah, who posited that as-Suyuti's 21 could be reduced to 5.
Kalam
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Nope. Mr. Fitnah lacks the intellectual honesty and capacity to post any information that doesn't contradict his silly preconceptions. Unfortunately for you and him, centuries of scholarship cannot simply be ignored.
Not all muslims agree with Suyuti.
Nor are they required to.
"5" a number you insisted was "0"
Your used to say that you could not understand how any true muslim could believe in the concept of internal abrogation.
Now you argue against that which you insisted was true.
Centuries of scholarship ?
Perhaps you should have the intellectual honesty to keep your opinion to yourself until you know what it is you are talking about.
Tafsir Ayet of the sword
M. Khan the translator of Sahih al-Bukhari in his opening remarks makes it clear the 2:256 is abrogated by 9:5.
"Allah revealed in Sura Bara'at (Repentance, IX) the order to discard (all) obligations (covenants, etc), and commanded the Muslims to fight against all the Pagans as well as against the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) if they do not embrace Islam, till they pay the Jizia (a tax levied on the Jews and Christians) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued (as it is revealed in 9:29). So the Muslims were not permitted to abandon "the fighting" against them (Pagans, Jews and Christians) and to reconcile with them and to suspend hostilities against them for an unlimited period while they are strong and have the ability to fight against them. So at first "the fighting" was forbidden, then it was permitted, and after that it was made obligatory."
More conformation 2:256 was abrogated at the time of Mohammads life
Something centuries of scholarship can do nothing about.
Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah." Narrated Maimun ibn Siyah that he asked Anas bin Malik, "O Abu Hamza! What makes the life and property of a person sacred?" He replied, "Whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah', faces our Qibla during the prayers, prays like us and eats our slaughtered animal, then he is a Muslim, and has got the same rights and obligations as other Muslims have."
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So you're going to use this to prove me wrong? You could use ANY sort of evil person of ANY religion to prove that the religion preaches intolerance. But at the end of the day, you and I both know that one bad seed doesn't make the entire apple bad, so to speak.
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Bigot.
That dude from Turkey might have a thick accent, but that accent is not Islamic. The accent might be Turkish, or perhaps Kurdish, it might even be Greek for all I know, but it is definitely not Islamic.
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Speaking of history, I love this part.
Can you explain to me why anyone felt it was necessary to restore anything if those Muslims were so peaceful that they never bothered to take it away in the first place?
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Just as your "few friends of Islamic descent" doesn't mean much, either, right?
But this seems to count for something, I'd say:
Doesn't look so tolerant, huh?
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What is an Islamic accent?
You do know, don't you, that Islamic is not a race, ethnicity, or language?
Don't you?
Yes islam forbids having friends who are not muslims
You do not have any muslim friends.
33:36.
It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allâh and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allâh and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed in a plain error.
The Prohibition of Being Loyal Friends with Disbelievers
This Ayah discourages and forbids taking the enemies of Islam and its people, such as the People of the Book and the polytheists, as friends. These disbelievers mock the most important acts that any person could ever perform, the honorable, pure acts of Islam which include all types of good for this life and the Hereafter. They mock such acts and make them the subject of jest and play, because this is what these acts represent in their misguided minds and cold hearts. Allah said;
Tafsir.com Tafsir Ibn Kathir
The Prohibition of Supporting the Disbelievers
Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers. Allah warned against such behavior when He said,
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What is an Islamic accent?
You do know, don't you, that Islamic is not a race, ethnicity, or language?
Don't you?
An islamic accent is when someone sounds messed up in the head from having to wipe the poo from their bumhole with their hand and then go kiss dirty carpets 5 times a day (or do they wash the carpets between prayer sessions?)
Jihad begat crusades. 450 years of unanswered Islamic slaughter brought the wrath of the church and the west to the ME .
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That is the part everyone forgets. The Church was more or less willing to leave Muslims alone, but they started all these wars to conquer the world and had to be driven back. The UN did not exist back then, and countries did not care about something that was happening so far away.
Hence the Crusades.
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Yes, we've already established you're an idiot. But thanks for the additional confirmation.What is an Islamic accent?
You do know, don't you, that Islamic is not a race, ethnicity, or language?
Don't you?
An islamic accent is when someone sounds messed up in the head from having to wipe the poo from their bumhole with their hand and then go kiss dirty carpets 5 times a day (or do they wash the carpets between prayer sessions?)
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Yet you would have everyone believe that whatever opinion you present is representative of "true Islam". Never mind that you're a kafir outsider who lacks the intellectual capability and the knowledge of Islam to distinguish between what is true and what is not.
More has happened to me over the past year than your deficient brain could ever hope to process. This discussion is not about me and your repeated attempts to make it so underscore your posts' utter lack of substance.
Sorry, kafir; reading internet articles and a few books in translation does not qualify you to speak with authority about Islam. Not a single Muslim has posted here whose knowledge of Islam doesn't exceed your shallow understanding by leaps and bounds.
In circles of educated Muslims, the amateurish scholarship of propaganda-spewing Saudi shills is subjected to a large amount of ridicule. Nonetheless, it seems to confirm some of your preconceptions and you act as if it has some sort of basis in fact in the vain hope that unthinking morons will give credence to your ridiculous, broad-brush portrayal of Islam. Nobody who can think independently is impressed.
Produce a hadith that specifically confirms that this ayah is "abrogated."
Unimpressive.
"It refers to fighting those who are waging war, whom Allah has permitted us to fight. It does not refer to those who have a covenant with us with whom Allah commands us to fulfill our covenant." - Ibn Taymiyyah, Majmu al-Fatawa 19/20
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