Zone1 My professional advice to blacks who are rejected from their “reach” school now that race can’t be factored in

[Lisa558]

Please!

How many poor Black non-athletes are reading your posts.
You trolled, you got caught up in your own rhetoric.

Huh? Who says they have to be poor? Regular middle-class blacks will no longer get the advantage of their race, and perhaps their parents (or grandparents) are reading.

You are really a nasty leftist.

 

[JoeB131]

Yeah, everyone believes you...

I kind of don't care who believes me.

I know that I've had a few people have doubted my claims of military service... until I've produced pictures of myself in uniform between 1981 and 1992.

I know what I've accomplished. I also know where I've failed.

 

[Unkotare]

I kind of don't care who believes me.
...

That works out well.

 

[JoeB131]

Huh? Who says they have to be poor? Regular middle-class blacks will no longer get the advantage of their race, and perhaps their parents (or grandparents) are reading.

You are really a nasty leftist.

The problem is, being middle class doesn't make one immune from racism in this country.

The value of promoting middle class blacks to the Ivy League was to promote their access to the levers of power, not just to serve the goals of individuals.

The problem isn't that these kids won't get into college, it's that they won't get into the colleges that will give them the right connections.

Now, going back to my time at UIC. The reason why UIC exists in the first place was that it was meant to be a University that was accessible to inner city youth. It started out at the U of I at Navy Pier and eventually the University of Illinois at Circle Campus. In 1984, it merged with the U of I Medical Campus. Because Tuition has gone up so much, and it's the only option available now for a lot of white suburban kids, black enrollment at UIC has declined to 9%. They've completely lost the plot.

 

[JoeB131]

That works out well.

It's your loss.

I for instance, take everything you claim at face value. The problem is, reading your posts, I can get a pretty good idea of the mediocrity that infests public education. I might even owe the nuns an apology.

 

[Unkotare]

It's your loss.
....

Not really.

 

[IM2]

Somebody tell this dumb ho that blacks aren't the only ones included in Affirmative action.

She qualified and its why she is where she is now.

MSN

Who benefits the most from affirmative action and why that might surprise you​

According to a report from the Centre for American Progress, white women 'may have been among the greatest beneficiaries' of efforts to integrate and diversify campuses in recent decades - they have a 'renewed responsibility' now that affirmative action has been overturned by the Supreme Court

White women are the 'greatest beneficiaries' of affirmative action

According to a report from the Centre for American Progress, white women 'may have been among the greatest beneficiaries' of efforts to integrate and diversify campuses in recent decades - they have a 'renewed responsibility' now that affirmative action has been overturned by the Supreme Court

www.mirror.co.uk

My professional advice for white women who are rejected from their "reach" school now that race can't be factored in since white is a race, is to start applying at culinary or nursing schools.

 

[IM2]

It'll probably spark a cottage industry of writing excuse essays. They can still petition for entry base on their personal plights.

Whites like you write excuse essays.

 

[Foxfyre]

While it varies from school to school, the general statistic is that two out of three blacks got into their school due to affirmative action, while one out of three would have been accepted even if they were white. The question now is: what should these black students do now since their race now doesn’t aid their admissions, and don’t get in as a result?

1. The obvious solution would be to attend the university they now qualify for. This is a clear route, and the path students have taken for generations.

2. If, however, you feel the school willing to accept you is too mediocre, consider doing your first two years of college at community college. Beyond the obvious benefit of saving a boatload of money - it will even be free if your family is lower-income - it will give you a chance to buckle down and really ace your CC classes as you complete your Associates degree.

This demonstrates to 4-year colleges that you are able to commit to a program and complete it, an appealing trait to admissions officers. And if you can maintain a high GPA, you are likely to get an academic transfer scholarship as well.

One more hint: make sure the classes you take will receive full credit at the transfer school.

That's what my granddaughter did. She isn't black but was not the best student and struggled academically in some subjects but was determined to get a college degree. Her high school grades simply didn't qualify her for the college of her choice, so she went to community college for two years. She really blossomed there, managed to develop some good study habits and earned a sufficient GPA to qualify for the 4-yr university where she only needed two more years to complete her degree. And because she saved so much attending two years at the community college her dad was able to pay for her two years at the university leaving her with no student debt.

She also says now, looking back at it, she really learned more at the small community college than she did at the university.

 

[Lisa558]

Somebody tell this dumb ho that blacks aren't the only ones included in Affirmative action.

She qualified and its why she is where she is now.

MSN

Who benefits the most from affirmative action and why that might surprise you​

According to a report from the Centre for American Progress, white women 'may have been among the greatest beneficiaries' of efforts to integrate and diversify campuses in recent decades - they have a 'renewed responsibility' now that affirmative action has been overturned by the Supreme Court

White women are the 'greatest beneficiaries' of affirmative action

According to a report from the Centre for American Progress, white women 'may have been among the greatest beneficiaries' of efforts to integrate and diversify campuses in recent decades - they have a 'renewed responsibility' now that affirmative action has been overturned by the Supreme Court

www.mirror.co.uk

My professional advice for white women who are rejected from their "reach" school now that race can't be factored in since white is a race, is to start applying at culinary or nursing schools.

STOP YELLING.

Naturally, a site like American Progress would say that white women benefit more. Strange how white women aren’t having a meltdown over this, though, isn’t it?

My advice - which is excellent - is directed toward blacks because they are the ones who will be most impacted by not having RACE factored in.

And the next time your sorry ass calls me a “ho,” you’re getting reported. This is a Zone 1 thread.

 

[JoeB131]

STOP YELLING.

Naturally, a site like American Progress would say that white women benefit more. Strange how white women aren’t having a meltdown over this, though, isn’t it?

Well, that's because the court didn't exclude gender as a factor in admissions, just race.

Somebody tell this dumb ho that blacks aren't the only ones included in Affirmative action.

She qualified and its why she is where she is now.

MSN

Who benefits the most from affirmative action and why that might surprise you​

According to a report from the Centre for American Progress, white women 'may have been among the greatest beneficiaries' of efforts to integrate and diversify campuses in recent decades - they have a 'renewed responsibility' now that affirmative action has been overturned by the Supreme Court

Here's the thing. AA for Gender really hasn't been required in some time now, because female applicants will get fair consideration for admissions and jobs. This is why they aren't terribly concerned if it does go away, and universities really weren't awarding extra points for women. So while it is probably true that white women of Lisa's generation did benefit from AA, it's simply not the case now.

The primary beneficiaries from AA are not poor black kids from underprivileged neighborhoods, it's the children of black professionals who live in the burbs and really haven't faced adversity. They go to the same schools that the white kids go to.

So the best way forward would be to allow extra points for economic circumstances and life situations, which will benefit the underprivileged.

 

[22lcidw]

If you were concerned for Black kids and that is a ginormous IF
Then today is opposite day.
We shall see what happens when 40% of the schools fill with Asians whether you're as willing to be helpful to those White rich kids too dumb for the Ivies.

Whether Asians are smarter or not there is a view from them that white people have gotten lazy. And Asians are an intelligent large cultural group. They may help a lot more to save our bacon in high tech and industrial hardware innovations and solving problems with them.

 

[IM2]

hile it varies from school to school, the general statistic is that two out of three blacks got into their school due to affirmative action, while one out of three would have been accepted even if they were white. The question now is: what should these black students do now since their race now doesn’t aid their admissions, and don’t get in as a result?

1. The obvious solution would be to attend the university they now qualify for. This is a clear route, and the path students have taken for generations.

2. If, however, you feel the school willing to accept you is too mediocre, consider doing your first two years of college at community college. Beyond the obvious benefit of saving a boatload of money - it will even be free if your family is lower-income - it will give you a chance to buckle down and really ace your CC classes as you complete your Associates degree.

This demonstrates to 4-year colleges that you are able to commit to a program and complete it, an appealing trait to admissions officers. And if you can maintain a high GPA, you are likely to get an academic transfer scholarship as well.

One more hint: make sure the classes you take will receive full credit at the transfer school.

While it varies from school to school, the general statistic is that two out of three blacks got into their school due to affirmative action, while one out of three would have been accepted even if they were white. The question now is: what should these black students do now since their race now doesn’t aid their admissions, and don’t get in as a result?

1. The obvious solution would be to attend the university they now qualify for. This is a clear route, and the path students have taken for generations.

2. If, however, you feel the school willing to accept you is too mediocre, consider doing your first two years of college at community college. Beyond the obvious benefit of saving a boatload of money - it will even be free if your family is lower-income - it will give you a chance to buckle down and really ace your CC classes as you complete your Associates degree.

This demonstrates to 4-year colleges that you are able to commit to a program and complete it, an appealing trait to admissions officers. And if you can maintain a high GPA, you are likely to get an academic transfer scholarship as well.

One more hint: make sure the classes you take will receive full credit at the transfer school.

Let me give you a hint:

Post a link that shows 2 out of 3 blacks areunqualified admits into college. Because AA is not for unqualified students. There is no data that proves your claim but there is data that proves this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

The number drops dramatically for black, Latino and Asian American students with less than 16 percent each coming from those categories, the study said.

www.nbcnews.com

Turns out, Harvard students aren’t that smart after all​

A whopping 43% of white students weren’t admitted on merit.

Ever wondered what it takes to get into Harvard? Stellar grades, impressive extracurriculars and based on a recently published study, having deep pockets and a parent who either works or went there. Those last two are pretty important for Harvard’s white students because only about 57% of them were admitted to the school based on merit.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/sep/10/harvard-university-divest-endowment-fossil-fuels
In reality, 43% of Harvard’s white students are either recruited athletes, legacy students, on the dean’s interest list (meaning their parents have donated to the school) or children of faculty and staff (students admitted based on these criteria are referred to as ‘ALDCs’, which stands for ‘athletes’, ‘legacies’, ‘dean’s interest list’ and ‘children’ of Harvard employees). The kicker? Roughly three-quarters of these applicants would have been rejected if it weren’t for having rich or Harvard-connected parents or being an athlete.

Turns out, Harvard students aren’t that smart after all | Tayo Bero

A whopping 43% of white students weren’t admitted on merit. One might call it affirmative action for the rich and privileged

www.theguardian.com

43 percent of the white students at Harvard were not qualified to be there. The data shows this. No data shows what is claimed by the OP without links.

So perhaps the OP might want to go ahead and get that GED, then enter a community college so she can begin to learn how to think logically and how to do research.

 

[Moonglow]

Right. Sorry. Forgot. You want to save those jobs for your boys down south. smh.

Those jobs are good. Needed. Lifetime good paying jobs. But better to learn Middle East philosophy?

No, I rejected Christianity.

 

[Lisa558]

Let me give you a hint:

Post a link that shows 2 out of 3 blacks areunqualified admits into college. Because AA is not for unqualified students. There is no data that proves your claim but there is data that proves this:

“Using publicly released reports, we examine the preferences Harvard gives for recruited athletes, legacies, those on the dean’s interest list, and children of faculty and staff (ALDCs). Among white admits, over 43% are ALDC. Among admits who are African American, Asian American, and Hispanic, the share is less than 16% each. Our model of admissions shows that roughly three quarters of white ALDC admits would have been rejected if they had been treated as white non-ALDCs. Removing preferences for athletes and legacies would significantly alter the racial distribution of admitted students, with the share of white admits falling and all other groups rising or remaining unchanged.”

Study finds 43 percent of Harvard's white students are legacy, athletes, related to donors or staff

The number drops dramatically for black, Latino and Asian American students with less than 16 percent each coming from those categories, the study said.

www.nbcnews.com

Turns out, Harvard students aren’t that smart after all​

A whopping 43% of white students weren’t admitted on merit.

Ever wondered what it takes to get into Harvard? Stellar grades, impressive extracurriculars and based on a recently published study, having deep pockets and a parent who either works or went there. Those last two are pretty important for Harvard’s white students because only about 57% of them were admitted to the school based on merit.
Harvard University will divest its $42bn endowment from all fossil fuels
In reality, 43% of Harvard’s white students are either recruited athletes, legacy students, on the dean’s interest list (meaning their parents have donated to the school) or children of faculty and staff (students admitted based on these criteria are referred to as ‘ALDCs’, which stands for ‘athletes’, ‘legacies’, ‘dean’s interest list’ and ‘children’ of Harvard employees). The kicker? Roughly three-quarters of these applicants would have been rejected if it weren’t for having rich or Harvard-connected parents or being an athlete.

Turns out, Harvard students aren’t that smart after all | Tayo Bero

A whopping 43% of white students weren’t admitted on merit. One might call it affirmative action for the rich and privileged

www.theguardian.com

43 percent of the white students at Harvard were not qualified to be there. The data shows this. No data shows what is claimed by the OP without links.

So perhaps the OP might want to go ahead and get that GED, then enter a community college so she can begin to learn how to think logically and how to do research.

You keep making the same point.

The fact is that legacy admissions do not discriminate by race. Blacks who went to Harvard a generation ago, primarily due to the benefits of Affirmative Action, could also give a big donation to the school and get their kids in too.

It is common knowledge among admissions officers that two out of three blacks would not have gotten in without the AA policies that favor them. This is evident from the many charts that show how much easier it is to get into a competitive school if you are black vs white or Asian.

All this means is that blacks will have to be of the same academic quality as whites who apply who don’t have parents who went there. Are you suggesting that blacks aren’t as smart as whites and Asians, and thus will be at a disadvantage when they aren’t effectively given bonus points for being black?

 

[Lisa558]

Anyway, back to the topic, which is: what should blacks do now that they will not get the benefit of their race and most will find themselves rejected from their “reach” school. To repeat:

1. They can always do what whites have done: go to the school that DOES accept them.

2. if they still really want their reach school, do the first two years at community college, prove themselves excellent students with As, and demonstrate that they have the motivation and ability to complete an academic program. Even if they still don’t get into their reach school, they will have cut the cost of their overall education by close to half.

And remember: on your resume, you just have to list the university from which you got your 4-year degree.

 

[Flash]

The last two years have seen particularly steep declines, as enrollment levels at schools have wavered and community colleges face increased competition for instructors.

Congratulations! You have told us in one sentence what it took Jill Biden a whole PhD dissertation to hee haw about and she still got it wrong. I now anoint you with a PhD. You earned it as much as Jill Biden did. You put as much effort into that sentence as Dr Jill did to earn her degree.

Dr JoeB. Too bad your husband is not some political big shot and an university will award you the degree just to kiss his ass.

 

[katsteve2012]

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