Zone1 my black ancestors sold slaves to white slavers but I blame the white slavers.

ROFLMAO-----the Ishmaelites (arabs) were selling african slaves thruout Asia, Africa and Europe for thousands of years BEFORE 1516 AD. Black africans are called "ABED" (slave) no matter what their status by arabic speaking people
 
“Even in this modern world, there are wars and rumors of war almost everywhere you go. There were wars in Europe in those days and there were wars in America. There were wars almost everywhere in the world. There were tribal wars in Africa too. The difference between the tribal wars in Africa and the wars in the outside world was that, in the outside world, the conquered were often butchered (due in part to the highly sophisticated weapons of war used) whereas the conquered in Africa (excluding Arabs/Muslims in the north) became part of the conqueror. In other words, while no enemy was left standing in the outside world, the conquered enemies were left to live and serve in Africa.

So it is true there were some "slaves" in Africa in those days before the white man came. However, those "slaves" were not taken purposely to become "slaves" of another kingdom or empire. They were just victims of tribal wars and it was somehow "better" than what was happening in the outside world where no enemy was allowed to live.

In continuation, please note that there were 2 types of slave trading in Africa. The one introduced mostly by the coming of Islam through the Arab raiders and traders from the Middle East and North Africa or the Trans-Saharan slave trade and the one introduced by the coming of the Europeans or the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade (the one I am talking about). The Trans-Saharan Slave Trade is deeply rooted in the Islamic cultures of several countries in the North (especially in the Maghreb region or the "Berber world") and still practiced although "silently" by Muslim-dominant countries such as Mauritania and Libya.

My country Ghana in West Africa was a major Slave Trading Post (Headquarters) where slaves from different parts of Africa were brought and arranged before shipping abroad.

When the white strangers first came to Africa, We (my ancestors) were not sure about their intentions so most communities drove them away from their land. However, the white strangers managed to convince some of our traditional rulers that they had not come to cause any harm but just to preach the good news (the Bible) and also to trade with the local people. It was barter trading where goods were exchanged for goods. My country Ghana was called "Gold Coast" because gold was in abundance. Although my ancestors valued gold as a precious metal, the white strangers valued it more as a precious mineral worth more than blood in some cases. In other words, my ancestors had the gold and the white strangers needed the gold and had to trade things like bottles of wine, clothing and textiles, guns and ammunitions, etc. for pieces of gold. That was how the "trade" started.

Some of the local chiefs along the coast started accepting the white strangers by giving them place to stay. The white strangers started building missionary centers where they stayed and preached the gospel and also traded with the local people. The white strangers later on expanded those missionary centers (including churches and cathedrals) into forts and castles where they packed slaves before shipping them abroad.

The white strangers did not understand the local language and the local people did not understand a word the white strangers were saying so it made communication very difficult. To help break the language barrier, the white strangers went to the local rulers and asked the local rulers to give them some of the local people to train so they could speak the foreign language which would make communication easier but none of those local rulers were ready to give their people out to go stay with strangers.

Later on, some of the local rulers came up with an idea that, instead of killing those criminals, they could actually give those criminals to the white strangers so the white strangers could preach the good news they said they came to preach to those criminals, change them into good people and also train them in the foreign language in order to aid communication which was better than killing those criminals. So the traditional rulers gave those criminals out to the white strangers and to show appreciation, those white strangers gave gifts like textiles, bottles of wine, mirrors, etc. to the traditional rulers. That was how the white strangers got their first "local servers."

Those local people (the criminals) lived and served the white strangers in the castles and forts and learned the foreign language which enabled them to serve as mediators translating the local language for the white strangers and the foreign language to the local people. This helped a lot in communication.

As I mentioned earlier on, those local servers living with the white strangers were the criminals in the society and although they served as mediators and made communication a whole lot easier, they also made life a living hell for the local people (some as a form of revenge). For example, when the white strangers sent them to go collect taxes (lets say 5 pieces of gold), those criminals added their own taxes and made it 8 pieces of gold. At times too, they mis-translated just so they could get more power. Some of those criminals even became more powerful than the traditional rulers. In other words, the white strangers, after preaching the good news to those criminals, turned them into even far more dangerous monsters than they were before. Why? Because only the white man had guns at that time and they shot anyone the criminals considered "criminals."

Those criminals were the few "Africans" who helped the white strangers to get more slaves. However, don't forget the fact that they were criminals condemned to death in their various societies for being "Un-African."

Those local people living with the white strangers served and "worshiped" them so well to the point where the white strangers began asking for more. Because of the benefits they derived from those local servers, some of the white strangers took some local servers with them on their return home. Back home (abroad), they found those local servers (the black men from Africa) very useful and decided to come back for more. They realized they could use them to work on their plantation farms back home to make more money. They also realized they could sell some of those 'local servers' to their friends and countrymen and make more money and that was why most of them (the white strangers but this time around slave traders) returned with the intention of picking more local servers (this time around, slaves).

So they returned for slaves but no local ruler was ready to give their people out except those criminals I mentioned earlier on and prisoners of war (tribal wars). In my country for example, the Ashantis and those living in the interior parts of the country did not want to have anything to do with the white strangers. In fact, the first white stranger that set foot on the Ashanti empire did not return.

However, the white strangers needed slaves and more slaves but there was no easy way of getting slaves in Africa. So what they did was that, they created confusion among the various tribes so that there would be more tribal wars and more war prisoners so they could get more "slaves" and that was exactly what they did.

Before the white man came to Africa, tribal wars were mostly fought with swords, spears, bows and arrows. Although these weapons were lethal they were nowhere near as quick and fatal as the gun. The problem here was that, only the white strangers had guns and decided which tribal group to support in times of battle. Any tribal group the white strangers supported with their powerful cannons, guns and ammunitions, easily conquered their enemies. This also created another major problem. The white strangers did not support any tribal group for free. In fact, the white strangers started demanding taxes (which included pieces of gold and prisoners of war) and total submission after victory. Any tribal group or community which failed to submit to the Europeans and pay taxes were wiped out. Sometimes the leaders of those communities were executed publicly as a form of warning to neighboring communities. Most communities in Africa were turned into concentration camps with European authorities in place.

Africans did NOT sell their own people into slavery
, Africans did NOT sell their own people into slavery

Schomburg Center for the Research of Black Culture “The Abolition of the Slave Trade-African Resistance.” Home - The Abolition of The Slave Trade
 
Abd means slave and all Muslims are slaves to Allah... like Abdallah.

This history of Recif, Brazil is pretty interesting.

No filthy dissembling shit is too shitty for you. For the sane non-suradies out there------african muslims
would not sit at the same lunch table with the
ABED aka BLACK AFRICAN. right here in the
USA ----(northern part) ---in presently existing
islamic lands------blacks is something like OUTCASTE is in India-----lowest of the low and born to be enslaved. Muhummad called them ABED AND RAISIN HEADS (read your kharahan)
 
for the record----islamic slavery was and is chattel slavery-----as barbaric as was Greek and Roman slavery 2000 years ago-----The only hope for a slave of a muslim in islamic law is conversion to islam----which conferred a somewhat improved situation over a non muslim slave and even the possibility of being freed---if the owner feels a need to demonstrate his piety. There is no penalty at all for the murder of a non
muslim slave in islamic law
 
This is the Op.

Yup that's what we have in a nut shell from people that post about whites being solely responsible for slavery in America.
www.thoughtco.com

A History of African Traders of Enslaved People

During the trans-Atlantic slave trade, Europeans bought from African traders that sold enslaved Africans due to debt, class, or lack of empathy.
www.thoughtco.com
www.thoughtco.com

perfect example of this blame whites but not blacks"


Now since slavery in America is mentioned then discussion of American participation is part of the topic. It doesn't matter how many slave Africans had for sale because if whites had not purchased them, no slaves would have beeb sold to whites.

And if slavery would not have been made legal by whites in America, there would have been no slavery in America.

America could have avoided the problems created by slavery; instead, there were a series of choices made by those in power to create divisions to maintain that power. They used race to get it done. In 1970, Ebony magazine published an article by Lerone Bennett titled “The Road Not Taken.” It is from a book Bennett wrote called “The Shaping of Black America.” This is a fascinating article detailing how America made decisions that created the racism or racial hierarchy that still exists in our country. In 1619 whites unofficially invented the race card in America. Whites, specifically wealthy elites, invented this card to maintain power and control.

The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money”-Lerone Bennett

Lerone Bennett, The Shaping of Black America. Chicago: Johnson Publishing Co., 1975, pp. 61-82. Originally published in Ebony, vol. 25 (August, 1970), pp. 71-77). 'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

No one forced whites to buy slaves and furthermore:

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.”
29

“By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books,


 
for the record----islamic slavery was and is chattel slavery-----as barbaric as was Greek and Roman slavery 2000 years ago-----The only hope for a slave of a muslim in islamic law is conversion to islam----which conferred a somewhat improved situation over a non muslim slave and even the possibility of being freed---if the owner feels a need to demonstrate his piety. There is no penalty at all for the murder of a non
muslim slave in islamic law
Muslims didn't write the U.S constitution then run around for now 246 years talking about how their countries celebrate freedom more than any other nation ever.
 
Muslims didn't write the U.S constitution then run around for now 246 years talking about how their countries celebrate freedom more than any other nation ever.
true----muslims just run around claiming that their
is the most just and tolerant "culture" that the world
has ever known-----and even claim that slaver does
not exist in islamic law and even claim that muslims
NEVER attack anyone-----they act ONLY in self-
defense. Actually---the USA does celebrate
freedom ----lots----at least as much as any other
country in the world
 
This is the Op.

Yup that's what we have in a nut shell from people that post about whites being solely responsible for slavery in America.
www.thoughtco.com

A History of African Traders of Enslaved People

During the trans-Atlantic slave trade, Europeans bought from African traders that sold enslaved Africans due to debt, class, or lack of empathy.
www.thoughtco.com
www.thoughtco.com

perfect example of this blame whites but not blacks"


Now since slavery in America is mentioned then discussion of American participation is part of the topic. It doesn't matter how many slave Africans had for sale because if whites had not purchased them, no slaves would have beeb sold to whites.

And if slavery would not have been made legal by whites in America, there would have been no slavery in America.

America could have avoided the problems created by slavery; instead, there were a series of choices made by those in power to create divisions to maintain that power. They used race to get it done. In 1970, Ebony magazine published an article by Lerone Bennett titled “The Road Not Taken.” It is from a book Bennett wrote called “The Shaping of Black America.” This is a fascinating article detailing how America made decisions that created the racism or racial hierarchy that still exists in our country. In 1619 whites unofficially invented the race card in America. Whites, specifically wealthy elites, invented this card to maintain power and control.

The race problem in America was a deliberate invention of men who systematically separated blacks and whites in order to make money”-Lerone Bennett

Lerone Bennett, The Shaping of Black America. Chicago: Johnson Publishing Co., 1975, pp. 61-82. Originally published in Ebony, vol. 25 (August, 1970), pp. 71-77). 'The Road Not Taken', by Lerone Bennett

No one forced whites to buy slaves and furthermore:

“In fact, most American slaves were not kidnapped on another continent. Though over 12.7 million Africans were forced onto ships to the Western hemisphere, estimates only have 400,000-500,000 landing in present-day America. How then to account for the four million black slaves who were tilling fields in 1860? “The South,” the Sublettes write, “did not only produce tobacco, rice, sugar, and cotton as commodities for sale; it produced people.” Slavers called slave-breeding “natural increase,” but there was nothing natural about producing slaves; it took scientific management. Thomas Jefferson bragged to George Washington that the birth of black children was increasing Virginia’s capital stock by four percent annually.”

“According to database-backed estimates by David Eltis and David Richardson, only about 389,000 kidnapped Africans were disembarked in the ports of the present-day United States, the majority of them before independence.”
29

“By 1860, those few hundred thousand Africans had given way to four million African Americans.”

Ned & Constance Sublette, The American Slave Coast: A History of the Slave-Breeding Industry, Chicago, Lawrence Hill Books,
WRONG THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE BLACK SLAVERS MAKE YOUR OWN THREAD ON WHITE SLAVERS.
 
for the record----islamic slavery was and is chattel slavery-----as barbaric as was Greek and Roman slavery 2000 years ago-----The only hope for a slave of a muslim in islamic law is conversion to islam----which conferred a somewhat improved situation over a non muslim slave and even the possibility of being freed---if the owner feels a need to demonstrate his piety. There is no penalty at all for the murder of a non
muslim slave in islamic law

Slavery in Islam and Judaism was similar and very complicated. You might want to read up on it...
 

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