Muslims on this messageboard hate Jews, but without Jews Muslims would not even exist

[surada]

God in the Jewish Bible acknowledges Abraham as Father of the Jews. Nowhere in Arabs’ Koran does God say Abraham is father of Arabs or Muslims. Sorry. Not sorry.

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Lol you haven't read it. Arabs and Jews are half brothers.

Have you ever been out of NYC? You have such a belligerent attitude.

 

[MartyNYC]

Lol you haven't read it. Arabs and Jews are half brothers.

Have you ever been out of NYC? You have such a belligerent attitude.

Jesus, a devout Jew, and his Jewish disciples acknowledged Abraham as Father of the Jews. Common knowledge.

Nowhere in Arabs’ Koran is Abraham father of Arabs or Muslims. Case Closed.

 

[surada]

Jesus, a devout Jew, and his Jewish disciples acknowledged Abraham as Father of the Jews. Common knowledge.

Nowhere in Arabs’ Koran is Abraham father of Arabs or Muslims. Case Closed.

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You're poorly educated.

Abraham: Father of Three Faiths | M.A.R. Habib | Rutgers University

habib.camden.rutgers.edu

 

[MartyNYC]

You're poorly educated.

Abraham: Father of Three Faiths | M.A.R. Habib | Rutgers University

habib.camden.rutgers.edu

He doesn’t say Abraham was father of Arabs. He does say, “The prophet Abraham is traditionally regarded as the father of the Jewish people, as recorded in the story of Genesis”.

Ultimate authority is God in the Jewish Bible who verifies Abraham was Father of Jews...

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Jesus, a devout Jew, and his Jewish disciples acknowledged Abraham as Father of the Jews. Common knowledge.

Nowhere in Arabs’ Koran is Abraham father of Arabs or Muslims. Case Closed.

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Kinda disingenuous eh?
As it is Abraham's son, Ishmael, who founded the line of Mohammed.

 

[MartyNYC]

Kinda disingenuous eh?
As it is Abraham's son, Ishmael, who founded the line of Mohammed.

Where do the Koran and pre-Koran records say Ishmael was father of Arabs?

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Where do the Koran and pre-Koran records say Ishmael was father of Arabs?

It does not...nor did I claim so. Ishmael, according to Islam...is the line that Mohamed came from. As Issac is the line that Jesus spring from. The entire argument is all about which son received the mandate of God..as it were..and thus..which line is divinely inspired.
Surely you know this and are just trolling?

 

[MartyNYC]

It does not...nor did I claim so. Ishmael, according to Islam...is the line that Mohamed came from. As Issac is the line that Jesus spring from. The entire argument is all about shich son received the mandate of God..as it were..and thus..which line is divinely inspired.
Surely you know this and are just trolling?

Where does the Koran say anything about Muhammad descending from Ishmael? Since Muhammad wrote the Koran, he would certainly have noted having descended from Ishmael if this were the case—Where did he do so?

 

[MartyNYC]

Not sure what your point is here. You have the three Abrahamic Religions- Judaism, Christianity and Islam, arguing over who their invisible friend in the sky loves best. None of the modern versions are anywhere near what was practiced in the bronze age.

All of them were influenced by other religions - such as Greek Platonism, Zoroasterism, Mithraism.

The ironic thing is you created an intolerant religions and spent the last 2000 years being oppressed by people who adopted parts of it.

The other ironic thing was the Islamic World didn't have much of a problem with you (compared to the Christian World) until you started stealing their land.

Ironic that the Koran decrees Israel to Jews. Arabs aren‘t even mentioned.

 

[MartyNYC]

Three things:

1) You clearly haven't read "The Thirteenth Tribe" written by a respected Jewish historian.

He wasn’t an historian, doofus. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

Where does the Koran say anything about Muhammad descending from Ishmael? Since Muhammad wrote the Koran, he would certainly have noted having descended from Ishmael if this were the case—Where did he do so?

Why would he have? You are setting up artificial conditions in an attempt to push some lame revisionist shyte. Not everything is in the Koran...and what most of Islam believes is not what you purport it to be.

Ishmael | Meaning, Facts, & Significance | Britannica

Ishmael, son of Abraham through Hagar. In the Old Testament, Ishmael was conceived to be Abraham’s heir, but God’s covenant with Abraham was ultimately established through Isaac, and Ishmael was banished to the desert. In Islamic tradition, Ishmael was banished to Mecca, where he helped Abraham...

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ISHMAEL - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

 

[MartyNYC]

Why would he have? You are setting up artificial conditions in an attempt to push some lame revisionist shyte. Not everything is in the Koran...and what most of Islam believes is not what you purport it to be.

Ishmael | Meaning, Facts, & Significance | Britannica

Ishmael, son of Abraham through Hagar. In the Old Testament, Ishmael was conceived to be Abraham’s heir, but God’s covenant with Abraham was ultimately established through Isaac, and Ishmael was banished to the desert. In Islamic tradition, Ishmael was banished to Mecca, where he helped Abraham...

www.britannica.com

ISHMAEL - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

www.jewishencyclopedia.com

Ishmael appears several times in the Koran—Show me where it says he’s the ancestor of Muhammad. If it doesn’t say it, then he wasn’t the ancestor of Muhammad.

 

[fncceo]

Jesus said not to look for him in the dessert. Islam is a dessert religion.

Cake or ice cream?