Muslims in Europe

[Programmer]

One thing to consider. The Muslims in France are a consequence of the overseas colonies.

The UK has a similar scenario.

neither France nor England HAD TO GRANT citizenship to former colony dwellers---they made a mistake

But they did. And we have to suffer the consequences.

yes---its a real mess

Reading the article comes up with the most disturbing claim of all – More recently (as of December 7th), huge percentages of Muslims believe that Sharia law should trump (no pun intended) the laws of their own countries of residence.



And, even less surprising is that 70% of Muslims here in the USA identify with the Democrat Party.



Thank God they're still a very small minority of voters. Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: 5 Facts About Muslims In Europe

What's disturbing is the fear-mongering common to you and most others on the right, your bigoted attempts to demonize Muslims and Islam, and your comprehensive ignorance as to what 'Sharia' actually is.

Get your lazy ass in the line and do your part.

This is a propaganda war:

 

[Vigilante]

• Migrants Storm Channel Tunnel Armed with Iron Bars and Hammers
  Pamela Geller ^ | 12/17/2015 | Donna Edmunds, Breitbart
  Meanwhile, over in Europe, the integration of migrants is going swimmingly: As many as 1000 migrants have been involved in a plan to storm the Calais entrance to the Channel Tunnel in a bid to reach England, some armed with iron bars and hammers. The A16 road into Calais had to be shut for an hour as police fired tear gas at the crowd to drive them back. (Muslim migrants quit Calais camp and leave it like this) Vigilant locals have taken to the Facebook group 'Les Calaisians en Colère' (Calaisians are Angry) to warn that gangs of around 50-60...

 

[irosie91]

the fact that there "exist" different religions in many Islamic nations BY NO MEANS ---indicate that people of "other" religions have reasonable RIGHTS. You seem
very uninformed

I went to a Christian monastery in Egypt, is that "very uniformed"?

Have you even been to a Muslim country? I've been to quite a few.

I have had extensive and very intense interaction with muslims from lots and lots of
different countries in the USA ---both new comers and people here a long time and of all ages.. I have been in their homes and mosques. My husband was born in a muslim country and I have had interacton with his relatives who lived in that country------and others thru marriage who lived in other muslim countries. Those people carried family legacies of that experience dating all the way back to the
inception of islam and BEFORE the inception of islam. I am not sure that visting
a Monastery in Egypt TODAY provides any particular insight-------no more than
visiting the TAJ MAHAL -----today.... or climbing into the hills of Tibet to see the DALAI LAMA.
There was a reconstruction of part of an Egyptian pyramid----with a real
mummy in there--------in the MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY. I went in------
it was very interesting but --------I had also been in the FUN HOUSE of the Alantic City amusement park way back in the 50s-------that was fun and interesting too. Since childhood I have had an ambition of visting the Parthenon in Athens, Greece------but they have a scaled down model of the place in the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM of Art-------I have no doubt that examination of that
structure beats the present pile of rocks on the hill which is now THE PARTHENON

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

I will explain weirdo -----he was a tourist or even a working professional in
a muslim country in which his business associates and colleagues treated
him with polite professionalism -------he even drank tea in their parlors so
he IMAGINES he knows something about those countries and the people
there. ------very superficial stuff

 

[Phoenall]

deport from where to where? An interesting perspective >>>> or question>>>
What would happen if a country in the EU ----were to declare itself "CHRISTIAN"??
What would happen if such a country were to declare that in order to be a citizen
of that country one had to be a "Christian" and also to declare islam "not a religion"?? In a gesture of decency-----such a country could declare a few other
religions "legal"-------Buddhism, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism----but -----
ISLAM <<< simply, NOT LEGAL ?. I could imagine----based on history-----
a CATHOLIC FRANCE ------France could agree to tolerate protestants---this time

What, you mean like the UK where the head of state is the head of the Church of England? Funny how the UK is a religious state yet people are less religious than most other countries in the world.

But we are not forced to be Christians, or singled out if we don't follow the state religion. Can you say the same for Islamic nations ?

Can I say the same about Islamic nations? For some, yes. There were different religions within many Islamic nations.

How many and are they allowed to practise their religion openly and freely without any constraints what-so-ever

Without ANY constraints? How many religious people have NO CONSTRAINTS to their religion? Probably none.

Twisting and deflecting because you know that Islamic nations enforce restraints on non muslims and their religions. Silly things like not being allowed to repair their places of worship or holy sites or not being allowed to build any taller than the smallest Islamic building in the same city/town/village. No open show of religion like wearing a cross, and no sounds of prayer to escape the confines of the buildings.

 

[Phoenall]

the fact that there "exist" different religions in many Islamic nations BY NO MEANS ---indicate that people of "other" religions have reasonable RIGHTS. You seem
very uninformed

I went to a Christian monastery in Egypt, is that "very uniformed"?

Have you even been to a Muslim country? I've been to quite a few.

I have had extensive and very intense interaction with muslims from lots and lots of
different countries in the USA ---both new comers and people here a long time and of all ages.. I have been in their homes and mosques. My husband was born in a muslim country and I have had interacton with his relatives who lived in that country------and others thru marriage who lived in other muslim countries. Those people carried family legacies of that experience dating all the way back to the
inception of islam and BEFORE the inception of islam. I am not sure that visting
a Monastery in Egypt TODAY provides any particular insight-------no more than
visiting the TAJ MAHAL -----today.... or climbing into the hills of Tibet to see the DALAI LAMA.
There was a reconstruction of part of an Egyptian pyramid----with a real
mummy in there--------in the MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY. I went in------
it was very interesting but --------I had also been in the FUN HOUSE of the Alantic City amusement park way back in the 50s-------that was fun and interesting too. Since childhood I have had an ambition of visting the Parthenon in Athens, Greece------but they have a scaled down model of the place in the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM of Art-------I have no doubt that examination of that
structure beats the present pile of rocks on the hill which is now THE PARTHENON

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

 

[Yarddog]

One thing to consider. The Muslims in France are a consequence of the overseas colonies.

The UK has a similar scenario.

neither France nor England HAD TO GRANT citizenship to former colony dwellers---they made a mistake

But they did. And we have to suffer the consequences.

yes---its a real mess

Reading the article comes up with the most disturbing claim of all – More recently (as of December 7th), huge percentages of Muslims believe that Sharia law should trump (no pun intended) the laws of their own countries of residence.



And, even less surprising is that 70% of Muslims here in the USA identify with the Democrat Party.



Thank God they're still a very small minority of voters. Read more @ Doug Ross @ Journal: 5 Facts About Muslims In Europe

What's disturbing is the fear-mongering common to you and most others on the right, your bigoted attempts to demonize Muslims and Islam, and your comprehensive ignorance as to what 'Sharia' actually is.

Get your lazy ass in the line and do your part.

This is a propaganda war:

What a fucking bitch. But oh yes, Christians are doing this all the time was well, hahaha I hope she got her ass kicked hard

 

[Mindful]

I went to a Christian monastery in Egypt, is that "very uniformed"?

Have you even been to a Muslim country? I've been to quite a few.

I have had extensive and very intense interaction with muslims from lots and lots of
different countries in the USA ---both new comers and people here a long time and of all ages.. I have been in their homes and mosques. My husband was born in a muslim country and I have had interacton with his relatives who lived in that country------and others thru marriage who lived in other muslim countries. Those people carried family legacies of that experience dating all the way back to the
inception of islam and BEFORE the inception of islam. I am not sure that visting
a Monastery in Egypt TODAY provides any particular insight-------no more than
visiting the TAJ MAHAL -----today.... or climbing into the hills of Tibet to see the DALAI LAMA.
There was a reconstruction of part of an Egyptian pyramid----with a real
mummy in there--------in the MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY. I went in------
it was very interesting but --------I had also been in the FUN HOUSE of the Alantic City amusement park way back in the 50s-------that was fun and interesting too. Since childhood I have had an ambition of visting the Parthenon in Athens, Greece------but they have a scaled down model of the place in the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM of Art-------I have no doubt that examination of that
structure beats the present pile of rocks on the hill which is now THE PARTHENON

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

Have you seen that refugee group the British have relocated to a remote and damp Scottish island?

Where they can at least pray five times a day.

 

[irosie91]

What, you mean like the UK where the head of state is the head of the Church of England? Funny how the UK is a religious state yet people are less religious than most other countries in the world.

But we are not forced to be Christians, or singled out if we don't follow the state religion. Can you say the same for Islamic nations ?

Can I say the same about Islamic nations? For some, yes. There were different religions within many Islamic nations.

How many and are they allowed to practise their religion openly and freely without any constraints what-so-ever

Without ANY constraints? How many religious people have NO CONSTRAINTS to their religion? Probably none.

Twisting and deflecting because you know that Islamic nations enforce restraints on non muslims and their religions. Silly things like not being allowed to repair their places of worship or holy sites or not being allowed to build any taller than the smallest Islamic building in the same city/town/village. No open show of religion like wearing a cross, and no sounds of prayer to escape the confines of the buildings.

Weirdo did not notice. Why should he? when he sipped tea in the parlors of his smiling obsequious hosts-----do you imagine the TOLD HIM?

 

[irosie91]

I went to a Christian monastery in Egypt, is that "very uniformed"?

Have you even been to a Muslim country? I've been to quite a few.

I have had extensive and very intense interaction with muslims from lots and lots of
different countries in the USA ---both new comers and people here a long time and of all ages.. I have been in their homes and mosques. My husband was born in a muslim country and I have had interacton with his relatives who lived in that country------and others thru marriage who lived in other muslim countries. Those people carried family legacies of that experience dating all the way back to the
inception of islam and BEFORE the inception of islam. I am not sure that visting
a Monastery in Egypt TODAY provides any particular insight-------no more than
visiting the TAJ MAHAL -----today.... or climbing into the hills of Tibet to see the DALAI LAMA.
There was a reconstruction of part of an Egyptian pyramid----with a real
mummy in there--------in the MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY. I went in------
it was very interesting but --------I had also been in the FUN HOUSE of the Alantic City amusement park way back in the 50s-------that was fun and interesting too. Since childhood I have had an ambition of visting the Parthenon in Athens, Greece------but they have a scaled down model of the place in the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM of Art-------I have no doubt that examination of that
structure beats the present pile of rocks on the hill which is now THE PARTHENON

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

weirdo did not see it either-----his obsequious hosts did not bring it up as they
politely served the tea

 

[frigidweirdo]

What, you mean like the UK where the head of state is the head of the Church of England? Funny how the UK is a religious state yet people are less religious than most other countries in the world.

But we are not forced to be Christians, or singled out if we don't follow the state religion. Can you say the same for Islamic nations ?

Can I say the same about Islamic nations? For some, yes. There were different religions within many Islamic nations.

How many and are they allowed to practise their religion openly and freely without any constraints what-so-ever

Without ANY constraints? How many religious people have NO CONSTRAINTS to their religion? Probably none.

Twisting and deflecting because you know that Islamic nations enforce restraints on non muslims and their religions. Silly things like not being allowed to repair their places of worship or holy sites or not being allowed to build any taller than the smallest Islamic building in the same city/town/village. No open show of religion like wearing a cross, and no sounds of prayer to escape the confines of the buildings.

Not twisting and turning at all. I'm just not saying what you think I should say.

SOME Islamic nations restrict non-Muslims and their religions. Did I say otherwise?

Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Mali and Niger are Muslim countries on this map with BETTER religious freedom than Spain, Brazil, Argentina etc.

Many Muslim countries are green, which favors one religion but tolerates others, along with Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Jordan, Oman, etc etc.

Some countries don't tolerate well, like Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan (now South Sudan and Sudan), Pakistan etc, but non-Muslim countries like India, Burma, Cuba, Zimbabwe also have problems.

This is the REALITY rather than what you're making up. You seem to be saying if one Muslim country restricts religion, then all of them do. It's simply not the case.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I went to a Christian monastery in Egypt, is that "very uniformed"?

Have you even been to a Muslim country? I've been to quite a few.

I have had extensive and very intense interaction with muslims from lots and lots of
different countries in the USA ---both new comers and people here a long time and of all ages.. I have been in their homes and mosques. My husband was born in a muslim country and I have had interacton with his relatives who lived in that country------and others thru marriage who lived in other muslim countries. Those people carried family legacies of that experience dating all the way back to the
inception of islam and BEFORE the inception of islam. I am not sure that visting
a Monastery in Egypt TODAY provides any particular insight-------no more than
visiting the TAJ MAHAL -----today.... or climbing into the hills of Tibet to see the DALAI LAMA.
There was a reconstruction of part of an Egyptian pyramid----with a real
mummy in there--------in the MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY. I went in------
it was very interesting but --------I had also been in the FUN HOUSE of the Alantic City amusement park way back in the 50s-------that was fun and interesting too. Since childhood I have had an ambition of visting the Parthenon in Athens, Greece------but they have a scaled down model of the place in the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM of Art-------I have no doubt that examination of that
structure beats the present pile of rocks on the hill which is now THE PARTHENON

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

You don't see Muslims or Jews being murdered? What about in Israel?

Islam is, in some places, a pretty bad religion. In other places it is not. This is the point here. Painting the whole religion with one brush isn't going to get you very far.

While Islam condemns non-believers in some countries, in Christian countries you get a lot of negative stuff going on too.

Let's present a REALISTIC view of what is happening, not just a view which is based on the right's desire to prove that Islam is truly evil. It's not. Parts are evil, just as parts of Christianity are evil.

How many of the people coming on here calling for the destruction of Islam and the killing of millions are Christians?

 

[irosie91]

I have had extensive and very intense interaction with muslims from lots and lots of
different countries in the USA ---both new comers and people here a long time and of all ages.. I have been in their homes and mosques. My husband was born in a muslim country and I have had interacton with his relatives who lived in that country------and others thru marriage who lived in other muslim countries. Those people carried family legacies of that experience dating all the way back to the
inception of islam and BEFORE the inception of islam. I am not sure that visting
a Monastery in Egypt TODAY provides any particular insight-------no more than
visiting the TAJ MAHAL -----today.... or climbing into the hills of Tibet to see the DALAI LAMA.
There was a reconstruction of part of an Egyptian pyramid----with a real
mummy in there--------in the MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY. I went in------
it was very interesting but --------I had also been in the FUN HOUSE of the Alantic City amusement park way back in the 50s-------that was fun and interesting too. Since childhood I have had an ambition of visting the Parthenon in Athens, Greece------but they have a scaled down model of the place in the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM of Art-------I have no doubt that examination of that
structure beats the present pile of rocks on the hill which is now THE PARTHENON

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

You don't see Muslims or Jews being murdered? What about in Israel?

Islam is, in some places, a pretty bad religion. In other places it is not. This is the point here. Painting the whole religion with one brush isn't going to get you very far.

While Islam condemns non-believers in some countries, in Christian countries you get a lot of negative stuff going on too.

Let's present a REALISTIC view of what is happening, not just a view which is based on the right's desire to prove that Islam is truly evil. It's not. Parts are evil, just as parts of Christianity are evil.

How many of the people coming on here calling for the destruction of Islam and the killing of millions are Christians?

your post is silly. You seem to believe that the people who post here (including me) are all "the coal miner's daughter" and 15 years old. I don't see anyone here shrieking "death to muslims" In fact----I grew up in a very CONSERVATIVE----REPBUBLICAN--virtually Nazi town in the USA---north east ---
and NEVER HEARD ANYONE-----not the WASPS or the minority JEWS (generally democrat of course) comment negatively on muslims or islam or the koran-----INCLUDING in churches and synagogues. --------then I encountered muslims fresh from ----south east asia, Iran, north Africa---etc etc. I am not the coal miner's daughter----although----considering the little town in which I was a child ----I COULD HAVE BEEN----I just am not. I know CLOSE UP that which is islam and its brutal history. Regarding the position of non-muslims in muslim controlled
societies----it varies from bad to WORSE---to MUCH WORSE---to BLOODY BRUTAL. As to jews and Christians----besides having close relationships with muslims------I have also had close relationships with Christians and Jews from
muslim dominated societies. My own husband was born a DHIMMI in the 20th
century

You should stop posting your FILTHY LIBELS and start facing reality. I know
reality which is why the event of 9-11-01 did not come as a total surprise
to me. It was something I generally expected-----not IN DETAIL, of course-----
but I understood its ORIGIN-------I witnessed it in a mosque more than 30
years before it happened

 

[irosie91]

I have had extensive and very intense interaction with muslims from lots and lots of
different countries in the USA ---both new comers and people here a long time and of all ages.. I have been in their homes and mosques. My husband was born in a muslim country and I have had interacton with his relatives who lived in that country------and others thru marriage who lived in other muslim countries. Those people carried family legacies of that experience dating all the way back to the
inception of islam and BEFORE the inception of islam. I am not sure that visting
a Monastery in Egypt TODAY provides any particular insight-------no more than
visiting the TAJ MAHAL -----today.... or climbing into the hills of Tibet to see the DALAI LAMA.
There was a reconstruction of part of an Egyptian pyramid----with a real
mummy in there--------in the MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY. I went in------
it was very interesting but --------I had also been in the FUN HOUSE of the Alantic City amusement park way back in the 50s-------that was fun and interesting too. Since childhood I have had an ambition of visting the Parthenon in Athens, Greece------but they have a scaled down model of the place in the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM of Art-------I have no doubt that examination of that
structure beats the present pile of rocks on the hill which is now THE PARTHENON

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

Have you seen that refugee group the British have relocated to a remote and damp Scottish island?

Where they can at least pray five times a day.

I have never visited England or----the associated land masses.
I do have distant relatives there on BOTH SIDES (maternal and
paternal) ----so some of my relatives have. Hubby lived there
several years. ------AND THE BASED ON THE EXPERIENCES OF
FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES, etc etc. and that which my father---
brought up by his ENGLISH BORN mom----considered edible food----
--------I cannot imagine how a SYRIAN will survive. ---The weather
issue is bad enough-----but the CUISINE!!!!!!!!!! yuck----those
poor people will STARVE. Syrians are good cooks-------I hope they
get sufficient lamb-----but I doubt that they will have access to the rest
of their NEEDS if they are forced to eat OATMEAL----they will
probably get violent. Boiled cabbage? soft boiled eggs stending
on a little throne like thing UPRIGHT--------and a teaspoon? ----and,
of course, the weather.

 

[frigidweirdo]

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

You don't see Muslims or Jews being murdered? What about in Israel?

Islam is, in some places, a pretty bad religion. In other places it is not. This is the point here. Painting the whole religion with one brush isn't going to get you very far.

While Islam condemns non-believers in some countries, in Christian countries you get a lot of negative stuff going on too.

Let's present a REALISTIC view of what is happening, not just a view which is based on the right's desire to prove that Islam is truly evil. It's not. Parts are evil, just as parts of Christianity are evil.

How many of the people coming on here calling for the destruction of Islam and the killing of millions are Christians?

your post is silly. You seem to believe that the people who post here (including me) are all "the coal miner's daughter" and 15 years old. I don't see anyone here shrieking "death to muslims" In fact----I grew up in a very CONSERVATIVE----REPBUBLICAN--virtually Nazi town in the USA---north east ---
and NEVER HEARD ANYONE-----not the WASPS or the minority JEWS (generally democrat of course) comment negatively on muslims or islam or the koran-----INCLUDING in churches and synagogues. --------then I encountered muslims fresh from ----south east asia, Iran, north Africa---etc etc. I am not the coal miner's daughter----although----considering the little town in which I was a child ----I COULD HAVE BEEN----I just am not. I know CLOSE UP that which is islam and its brutal history. Regarding the position of non-muslims in muslim controlled
societies----it varies from bad to WORSE---to MUCH WORSE---to BLOODY BRUTAL. As to jews and Christians----besides having close relationships with muslims------I have also had close relationships with Christians and Jews from
muslim dominated societies. My own husband was born a DHIMMI in the 20th
century

You should stop posting your FILTHY LIBELS and start facing reality. I know
reality which is why the event of 9-11-01 did not come as a total surprise
to me. It was something I generally expected-----not IN DETAIL, of course-----
but I understood its ORIGIN-------I witnessed it in a mosque more than 30
years before it happened

I seem to think? Er... well actually I don't think you're all coal miner's daughters. In fact I don't make ANY assumptions about you at all.

You don't see people shrieking "death to Muslims", because people don't "shriek" here. People are far more likely to consent to the killing of Muslims in a different way. A way that they can justify. Does that make it better?

I mean, in many Islamic countries the people are massively under educated. I've met people with all these views that are ridiculous, and they get them from people telling them nonsense. In the US the same happens, people accept what they're told or what they want to hear, only it's for a slightly more educated crowd of people, so appears differently.

That doesn't mean it's better. People calmly calling for the invasion of Iraq, or the destruction of this or that or the other (like, if you see my thread I started, places like Agrahbah, which doesn't even exist, it's a cartoon place) isn't any better than people shouting "death to the USA" or "death to Israel", it's basically the same thing, just people manipulated in different ways.

What you "know" and what actually exists might be two different things. What you are saying might be avoiding whole swathes of history too.

If you're so confident in your history, then source your "facts". However most of the time people will post one fact and ignore 100 others.

Islam has been violent. More violent than Christianity? No, I don't think so.

What libel? Prove I've said anything that's not true. Instead you just shout your mouth off and tell me I'm lying without saying what is a lie, and without backing up your point.

 

[Phoenall]

I have had extensive and very intense interaction with muslims from lots and lots of
different countries in the USA ---both new comers and people here a long time and of all ages.. I have been in their homes and mosques. My husband was born in a muslim country and I have had interacton with his relatives who lived in that country------and others thru marriage who lived in other muslim countries. Those people carried family legacies of that experience dating all the way back to the
inception of islam and BEFORE the inception of islam. I am not sure that visting
a Monastery in Egypt TODAY provides any particular insight-------no more than
visiting the TAJ MAHAL -----today.... or climbing into the hills of Tibet to see the DALAI LAMA.
There was a reconstruction of part of an Egyptian pyramid----with a real
mummy in there--------in the MUSEUM OF NATURAL HISTORY. I went in------
it was very interesting but --------I had also been in the FUN HOUSE of the Alantic City amusement park way back in the 50s-------that was fun and interesting too. Since childhood I have had an ambition of visting the Parthenon in Athens, Greece------but they have a scaled down model of the place in the METROPOLITAN MUSEUM of Art-------I have no doubt that examination of that
structure beats the present pile of rocks on the hill which is now THE PARTHENON

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

Have you seen that refugee group the British have relocated to a remote and damp Scottish island?

Where they can at least pray five times a day.

They are already complaining because they cant understand the locals, and the only food is haram. There are plans to open a 1000 capacity mosque complete with rocket silo and blast doors

 

[Phoenall]

But we are not forced to be Christians, or singled out if we don't follow the state religion. Can you say the same for Islamic nations ?

Can I say the same about Islamic nations? For some, yes. There were different religions within many Islamic nations.

How many and are they allowed to practise their religion openly and freely without any constraints what-so-ever

Without ANY constraints? How many religious people have NO CONSTRAINTS to their religion? Probably none.

Twisting and deflecting because you know that Islamic nations enforce restraints on non muslims and their religions. Silly things like not being allowed to repair their places of worship or holy sites or not being allowed to build any taller than the smallest Islamic building in the same city/town/village. No open show of religion like wearing a cross, and no sounds of prayer to escape the confines of the buildings.

Weirdo did not notice. Why should he? when he sipped tea in the parlors of his smiling obsequious hosts-----do you imagine the TOLD HIM?

Probably, and like the good dhimmi he took it all in and believed the lies

 

[Phoenall]

But we are not forced to be Christians, or singled out if we don't follow the state religion. Can you say the same for Islamic nations ?

Can I say the same about Islamic nations? For some, yes. There were different religions within many Islamic nations.

How many and are they allowed to practise their religion openly and freely without any constraints what-so-ever

Without ANY constraints? How many religious people have NO CONSTRAINTS to their religion? Probably none.

Twisting and deflecting because you know that Islamic nations enforce restraints on non muslims and their religions. Silly things like not being allowed to repair their places of worship or holy sites or not being allowed to build any taller than the smallest Islamic building in the same city/town/village. No open show of religion like wearing a cross, and no sounds of prayer to escape the confines of the buildings.

Not twisting and turning at all. I'm just not saying what you think I should say.

SOME Islamic nations restrict non-Muslims and their religions. Did I say otherwise?

Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Mali and Niger are Muslim countries on this map with BETTER religious freedom than Spain, Brazil, Argentina etc.

Many Muslim countries are green, which favors one religion but tolerates others, along with Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, Jordan, Oman, etc etc.

Some countries don't tolerate well, like Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan (now South Sudan and Sudan), Pakistan etc, but non-Muslim countries like India, Burma, Cuba, Zimbabwe also have problems.

This is the REALITY rather than what you're making up. You seem to be saying if one Muslim country restricts religion, then all of them do. It's simply not the case.

Want to try again as 20 of the Islamic nations on your map do not tolerate other religions at all, leaving just 6 that tolerate partially, So the consensus is that the vast majority of Islamic nations have a system of apartheid based on religious practises and follow sharia law.

 

[Phoenall]

So, you've never been to a Muslim country then.

Visiting a monastery in Egypt shows that there are Christians who do just get on with their lives. There were no problems, no issues.

You say I know nothing, but then you don't know much about me. I gave one example, there are many, MANY more I could provide, but won't. Just don't just to silly assumptions.

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

Have you seen that refugee group the British have relocated to a remote and damp Scottish island?

Where they can at least pray five times a day.

I have never visited England or----the associated land masses.
I do have distant relatives there on BOTH SIDES (maternal and
paternal) ----so some of my relatives have. Hubby lived there
several years. ------AND THE BASED ON THE EXPERIENCES OF
FRIENDS AND COLLEAGUES, etc etc. and that which my father---
brought up by his ENGLISH BORN mom----considered edible food----
--------I cannot imagine how a SYRIAN will survive. ---The weather
issue is bad enough-----but the CUISINE!!!!!!!!!! yuck----those
poor people will STARVE. Syrians are good cooks-------I hope they
get sufficient lamb-----but I doubt that they will have access to the rest
of their NEEDS if they are forced to eat OATMEAL----they will
probably get violent. Boiled cabbage? soft boiled eggs stending
on a little throne like thing UPRIGHT--------and a teaspoon? ----and,
of course, the weather.

You forgot the staple of the Scottish Haggis, neeps and tatties, followed by deep fried mars bars. Could always try Finney haddock and clappy doo's if they are feeling brave. I have finney haddock or its southern version twice a week now and cant get enough.

They will soon get used to the smell of bacon frying every morning as the men prepare to go out fishing for scampi, cockles, mussels, whelks, crabs and lobsters. While the women and children gather winkles and clams from the low water mark

 

[Phoenall]

And reading news reports shows that the Christians are often beaten and murdered for their beliefs. Their churches destroyed and their livelihoods taken away from them. This is why the numbers of other religions in all Islamic nations are dwindling

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

You don't see Muslims or Jews being murdered? What about in Israel?

Islam is, in some places, a pretty bad religion. In other places it is not. This is the point here. Painting the whole religion with one brush isn't going to get you very far.

While Islam condemns non-believers in some countries, in Christian countries you get a lot of negative stuff going on too.

Let's present a REALISTIC view of what is happening, not just a view which is based on the right's desire to prove that Islam is truly evil. It's not. Parts are evil, just as parts of Christianity are evil.

How many of the people coming on here calling for the destruction of Islam and the killing of millions are Christians?

your post is silly. You seem to believe that the people who post here (including me) are all "the coal miner's daughter" and 15 years old. I don't see anyone here shrieking "death to muslims" In fact----I grew up in a very CONSERVATIVE----REPBUBLICAN--virtually Nazi town in the USA---north east ---
and NEVER HEARD ANYONE-----not the WASPS or the minority JEWS (generally democrat of course) comment negatively on muslims or islam or the koran-----INCLUDING in churches and synagogues. --------then I encountered muslims fresh from ----south east asia, Iran, north Africa---etc etc. I am not the coal miner's daughter----although----considering the little town in which I was a child ----I COULD HAVE BEEN----I just am not. I know CLOSE UP that which is islam and its brutal history. Regarding the position of non-muslims in muslim controlled
societies----it varies from bad to WORSE---to MUCH WORSE---to BLOODY BRUTAL. As to jews and Christians----besides having close relationships with muslims------I have also had close relationships with Christians and Jews from
muslim dominated societies. My own husband was born a DHIMMI in the 20th
century

You should stop posting your FILTHY LIBELS and start facing reality. I know
reality which is why the event of 9-11-01 did not come as a total surprise
to me. It was something I generally expected-----not IN DETAIL, of course-----
but I understood its ORIGIN-------I witnessed it in a mosque more than 30
years before it happened

I seem to think? Er... well actually I don't think you're all coal miner's daughters. In fact I don't make ANY assumptions about you at all.

You don't see people shrieking "death to Muslims", because people don't "shriek" here. People are far more likely to consent to the killing of Muslims in a different way. A way that they can justify. Does that make it better?

I mean, in many Islamic countries the people are massively under educated. I've met people with all these views that are ridiculous, and they get them from people telling them nonsense. In the US the same happens, people accept what they're told or what they want to hear, only it's for a slightly more educated crowd of people, so appears differently.

That doesn't mean it's better. People calmly calling for the invasion of Iraq, or the destruction of this or that or the other (like, if you see my thread I started, places like Agrahbah, which doesn't even exist, it's a cartoon place) isn't any better than people shouting "death to the USA" or "death to Israel", it's basically the same thing, just people manipulated in different ways.

What you "know" and what actually exists might be two different things. What you are saying might be avoiding whole swathes of history too.

If you're so confident in your history, then source your "facts". However most of the time people will post one fact and ignore 100 others.

Islam has been violent. More violent than Christianity? No, I don't think so.

What libel? Prove I've said anything that's not true. Instead you just shout your mouth off and tell me I'm lying without saying what is a lie, and without backing up your point.

When you see a horde of muslims screeching out allahu ahkbar and going bright red in the process then you will see islam as it really is. When you hear muslims claiming that they have been arrested because the police are racist towards them after being caught raping 11 and 12 year old girls then you will see the real islam. When you hear a 3rd or 4th generation muslim claim that he is allowed to murder his wife and then burn her body in his country then you will see islam as it really is. You in the US have been pampered by not having to face Islamic intolerance and arrogance every day, we in Europe have them invaded by them for many years and have suffered at their hands due to left wing governments cowardly allowing them to do so.

 

[frigidweirdo]

And you're probably missing the news reports of Jews or Muslims being beaten up in the USA.

If you base your view on what the media presents to you on a plate, you probably think you live in paradise and everyone else in hell.

However in SOME Muslim countries there is a problem, but some, not most.

Not at all but I don't see it being the work of the countries government as is the case in most Islamic nations. I don't see muslims or Jews being mass murdered just because they are not the same religion as happens in Islamic nations. And I don't see jews and muslims being arrested, tried and sentenced to execution in the US for allegedly destroying pages from a Bible.

I do live in a hell actually because the muslim invaders are trying to take over and introduce their laws, very soon they will find themselves looking for new homes when the people take to the streets

You don't see Muslims or Jews being murdered? What about in Israel?

Islam is, in some places, a pretty bad religion. In other places it is not. This is the point here. Painting the whole religion with one brush isn't going to get you very far.

While Islam condemns non-believers in some countries, in Christian countries you get a lot of negative stuff going on too.

Let's present a REALISTIC view of what is happening, not just a view which is based on the right's desire to prove that Islam is truly evil. It's not. Parts are evil, just as parts of Christianity are evil.

How many of the people coming on here calling for the destruction of Islam and the killing of millions are Christians?

your post is silly. You seem to believe that the people who post here (including me) are all "the coal miner's daughter" and 15 years old. I don't see anyone here shrieking "death to muslims" In fact----I grew up in a very CONSERVATIVE----REPBUBLICAN--virtually Nazi town in the USA---north east ---
and NEVER HEARD ANYONE-----not the WASPS or the minority JEWS (generally democrat of course) comment negatively on muslims or islam or the koran-----INCLUDING in churches and synagogues. --------then I encountered muslims fresh from ----south east asia, Iran, north Africa---etc etc. I am not the coal miner's daughter----although----considering the little town in which I was a child ----I COULD HAVE BEEN----I just am not. I know CLOSE UP that which is islam and its brutal history. Regarding the position of non-muslims in muslim controlled
societies----it varies from bad to WORSE---to MUCH WORSE---to BLOODY BRUTAL. As to jews and Christians----besides having close relationships with muslims------I have also had close relationships with Christians and Jews from
muslim dominated societies. My own husband was born a DHIMMI in the 20th
century

You should stop posting your FILTHY LIBELS and start facing reality. I know
reality which is why the event of 9-11-01 did not come as a total surprise
to me. It was something I generally expected-----not IN DETAIL, of course-----
but I understood its ORIGIN-------I witnessed it in a mosque more than 30
years before it happened

I seem to think? Er... well actually I don't think you're all coal miner's daughters. In fact I don't make ANY assumptions about you at all.

You don't see people shrieking "death to Muslims", because people don't "shriek" here. People are far more likely to consent to the killing of Muslims in a different way. A way that they can justify. Does that make it better?

I mean, in many Islamic countries the people are massively under educated. I've met people with all these views that are ridiculous, and they get them from people telling them nonsense. In the US the same happens, people accept what they're told or what they want to hear, only it's for a slightly more educated crowd of people, so appears differently.

That doesn't mean it's better. People calmly calling for the invasion of Iraq, or the destruction of this or that or the other (like, if you see my thread I started, places like Agrahbah, which doesn't even exist, it's a cartoon place) isn't any better than people shouting "death to the USA" or "death to Israel", it's basically the same thing, just people manipulated in different ways.

What you "know" and what actually exists might be two different things. What you are saying might be avoiding whole swathes of history too.

If you're so confident in your history, then source your "facts". However most of the time people will post one fact and ignore 100 others.

Islam has been violent. More violent than Christianity? No, I don't think so.

What libel? Prove I've said anything that's not true. Instead you just shout your mouth off and tell me I'm lying without saying what is a lie, and without backing up your point.

When you see a horde of muslims screeching out allahu ahkbar and going bright red in the process then you will see islam as it really is. When you hear muslims claiming that they have been arrested because the police are racist towards them after being caught raping 11 and 12 year old girls then you will see the real islam. When you hear a 3rd or 4th generation muslim claim that he is allowed to murder his wife and then burn her body in his country then you will see islam as it really is. You in the US have been pampered by not having to face Islamic intolerance and arrogance every day, we in Europe have them invaded by them for many years and have suffered at their hands due to left wing governments cowardly allowing them to do so.

Why is this "Islam as it really is" and not all the other stuff I have actually seen?

Seriously, you're telling everyone what your view of "real Islam" is, and I doubt you have much exposure to "real Islam".

Hey, I've lived with Muslims, been to their countries, etc. I didn't see that. How is that "Islam as it really is"?

Basically you're talking shit.