Muslim vs Islam

[Gracie]

Is there a difference?

Found on google, which just made me scratch my head more:


Whats the difference between Muslim and Islamic?
Islam is monotheistic Abrahamic religion that originated in Saudi Arabia in the 7th century CE. ... A Muslim is an adherent of Islam. There are over 1.8 billion Muslims — a quarter of the world's population, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world.

Maybe someone that is muslim but don't consider themselves Islamic, or vice versa, or can explain better can...well...explain?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Islam is a totalitarian, supremacist ideology that seeks world domination.

A Muslim is an adherent to Islam, but inasmuch as anybody born in an area that Islam has overrun is considered Muslim, not all Muslims are serious about the world domination.

Nominal Muslims can be cool. Committed Muslims are dangerous.

 

[Lysistrata]

Every religion has assholes in it. Every single one. Example: Frankie Graham trashing Christianity.

 

[ESay]

Have anyone met people who call themselves Sufi?

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Ignorant Left Wing Ignores Written Doctrine And History To Believe Sectarian Division Is Unity "

* Objectivity Is Not An Excuse For Ignorance *

Every religion has assholes in it. Every single one. Example: Frankie Graham trashing Christianity.

There is not a difference between religion and creed and one cannot claim protections as a religion for a creed which violates non violence principles , which fictional ishmaelism does by doctrine .

 

[there4eyeM]

A follower of Jesus is a Christian. The religion is Christianity. Two nouns for two conditions. A more interesting question is why there is insistence on the part of so many sources that Moslem is wrong but Muslim is correct, why it has to be Muhammed and cannot be Mohammed. Even more interesting is the media use the term "Allah" synonymously with "God", which is not really the case in other languages than Arabic.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Genetic Religion That Does Not Apply To You "

* Free Hejaz From Al Saud *

Is there a difference?
Found on google, which just made me scratch my head more:
Whats the difference between Muslim and Islamic?
Islam is monotheistic Abrahamic religion that originated in Saudi Arabia in the 7th century CE. ... A Muslim is an adherent of Islam. There are over 1.8 billion Muslims — a quarter of the world's population, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world.
Maybe someone that is muslim but don't consider themselves Islamic, or vice versa, or can explain better can...well...explain?

There is no such thing as a religion of islam , there is no such thing as a muslim who follows a religion that does not exist , there is only the genetic religion of qurayshism and a debase pretense that qurayshism applies universally outside of hejaz that is termed fictional ishmaelism - End of Debate Over Whether To Reconcile .

That the term saudi arabia is used in your reference is a demented bad joke , as the tribe of nedj who much later became the sect of wahhabism , were rivals of the quraysh to who the qurayn applies ; and , the house of al saud from nedj stole hejaz from the hashemites in 1925 !

Quraysh - Wikipedia

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The Quraysh (Arabic: قُرَيْشٌ‎, Hejazi pronunciation: [qʊrajʃ]) are a mercantile Arab tribe that historically inhabited and controlled Mecca and its Ka'aba. The Islamic prophet Muhammad was born into the Hashemite clan of the tribe.

Hashemites - Wikipedia

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The Hashemites (Arabic: الهاشميون‎, romanized: al-Hāshimīyūn), also House of Hashim, are the royal family of Jordan, which they have ruled since 1921, and were the royal family of the kingdoms of Hejaz (1916–1925), Syria (1920) and Iraq (1921–1958). The family had ruled the city of Mecca continuously from the 10th century, frequently as vassals of outside powers, and were given the thrones of the Hejaz, Syria, Iraq and Jordan following their World War I alliance with the British Empire; this arrangement became known as the "Sharifian solution".

Saudi conquest of Hejaz - Wikipedia

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The Saudi conquest of Hejaz or the Second Saudi-Hashemite War, also known as the Hejaz-Nejd War, was a campaign engaged by Saudi Sultan Abdulaziz Ibn Saud to take over the Hashemite Kingdom of Hejaz in 1924–25, ending with conquest and incorporation of Hejaz into the Saudi domain.

Najd - Wikipedia

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The Arabic word najd literally means "upland" and was once applied to a variety of regions within the Arabian Peninsula. However, the most famous of these was the central region of the Peninsula roughly bounded on the west by the mountains of the Hejaz and Yemen and to the east by the historical region of Eastern Arabia and the north by Iraq and Syria.


* Financiers For The Entire Left Wing To Conquer The West *

House of Saud - Wikipedia

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Wahhabism - Wikipedia

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Pan-Islamism - Wikipedia

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[Lysistrata]

" Ignorant Left Wing Ignores Written Doctrine And History To Believe Sectarian Division Is Unity "

* Objectivity Is Not An Excuse For Ignorance *

Every religion has assholes in it. Every single one. Example: Frankie Graham trashing Christianity.

There is not a difference between religion and creed and one cannot claim protections as a religion for a creed which violates non violence principles , which fictional ishmaelism does by doctrine .

Just about all religions have violated non-violence principles. The massacre of the Cathars, the Templar knights, the burning of Joan of Arc, the wars between Protestants and Catholics, the massacres of the Jews down through history and the Holocaust, the treatment of the poor and oppressed who walk toward us with their children on their backs, the lynchings of your fellow believers, etc. all violated the teachings of Jesus given in the Sermon on the Mount. Now we have people calling themselves "Christians" marching around with assault weapons. I have known many Muslims in my life and have spent time in a predominantly Muslim country. In Islam, Jesus is a Prophet of God. When I went to the purported last earthly home of Mary, the mother of Jesus, there were many Muslims up there praying. All of the world's religions pray for the same thing: the community of us human beings. If you do violence or support it you betray every religion on this earth.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Do Not Assume Too Much "

* Doctrine Edicts And Tenets Where Scope Matters *

Just about all religions have violated non-violence principles. The massacre of the Cathars, the Templar knights, the burning of Joan of Arc, the wars between Protestants and Catholics, the massacres of the Jews down through history and the Holocaust, the treatment of the poor and oppressed who walk toward us with their children on their backs, the lynchings of your fellow believers, etc. all violated the teachings of Jesus given in the Sermon on the Mount. Now we have people calling themselves "Christians" marching around with assault weapons. I have known many Muslims in my life and have spent time in a predominantly Muslim country. In Islam, Jesus is a Prophet of God. When I went to the purported last earthly home of Mary, the mother of Jesus, there were many Muslims up there praying. All of the world's religions pray for the same thing: the community of us human beings. If you do violence or support it you betray every religion on this earth.

It may have been done and it may still be believed but the doctrine of christianity admonishes any which would kill in its name , whereas fictional ishmaelism grants sanction to killing in its name .

The martin luther related that it was antithetical to fight a war in the name of christianity , though a secular war may be fought to safeguard the independence of people , where practices of faith sustain the spirit of individuals for deliverance through their trials .

The surah 9 was written 113th out of 114 in chronology , that is the qurayn is ordered by number of stanza / length and not by time line - List of chapters in the Quran - Wikipedia and surah 9 represents a militant manifesto to establish qurayshism within hejaz .

Now surah 9:111 projected to september 11 2001 exemplifies that its author misconstrued christianity as a militant religion from experiences with the byzantine empire which had incorporated christianty .

9:111. Indeed, God has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of God, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’ān. And who is truer to his covenant than God? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

Now , the genetic religion of torahnism seeks to establish its religious polity within israel and militancy is allowed , however the scope of such conquest is delimited by geographical boundaries .

Similarly, the genetic religion of qurayshism seeks to establish its religious polity within hejaz and militancy is allowed , however when the scope of such conquest is no longer delimited by geographical boundaries and is expected to be applied universally , so are the militant directives included against which all are entitled to self defense , in particular self defense by not extending an opportunity for citizenship .

The genetic religion of qurayshism is one thing , while fictional ishmaelism is another thing entirely .

 

[Lysistrata]

" Do Not Assume Too Much "

* Doctrine Edicts And Tenets Where Scope Matters *

Just about all religions have violated non-violence principles. The massacre of the Cathars, the Templar knights, the burning of Joan of Arc, the wars between Protestants and Catholics, the massacres of the Jews down through history and the Holocaust, the treatment of the poor and oppressed who walk toward us with their children on their backs, the lynchings of your fellow believers, etc. all violated the teachings of Jesus given in the Sermon on the Mount. Now we have people calling themselves "Christians" marching around with assault weapons. I have known many Muslims in my life and have spent time in a predominantly Muslim country. In Islam, Jesus is a Prophet of God. When I went to the purported last earthly home of Mary, the mother of Jesus, there were many Muslims up there praying. All of the world's religions pray for the same thing: the community of us human beings. If you do violence or support it you betray every religion on this earth.

It may have been done and it may still be believed but the doctrine of christianity admonishes any which would kill in its name , whereas fictional ishmaelism grants sanction to killing in its name .

The martin luther related that it was antithetical to fight a war in the name of christianity , though a secular war may be fought to safeguard the independence of people , where practices of faith sustain the spirit of individuals for deliverance through their trials .

The surah 9 was written 113th out of 114 in chronology , that is the qurayn is ordered by number of stanza / length and not by time line - List of chapters in the Quran - Wikipedia and surah 9 represents a militant manifesto to establish qurayshism within hejaz .

Now surah 9:111 projected to september 11 2001 exemplifies that its author misconstrued christianity as a militant religion from experiences with the byzantine empire which had incorporated christianty .

9:111. Indeed, God has purchased from the believers their lives and their properties [in exchange] for that they will have Paradise. They fight in the cause of God, so they kill and are killed. [It is] a true promise [binding] upon Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur’ān. And who is truer to his covenant than God? So rejoice in your transaction which you have contracted. And it is that which is the great attainment.

Now , the genetic religion of torahnism seeks to establish its religious polity within israel and militancy is allowed , however the scope of such conquest is delimited by geographical boundaries .

Similarly, the genetic religion of qurayshism seeks to establish its religious polity within hejaz and militancy is allowed , however when the scope of such conquest is no longer delimited by geographical boundaries and is expected to be applied universally , so are the militant directives included against which all are entitled to self defense , in particular self defense by not extending an opportunity for citizenship .

The genetic religion of qurayshism is one thing , while fictional ishmaelism is another thing entirely .

this is gibberish. Why not spend your time contemplating the meaning of the teachings of Jesus in Christianity? You seem to delve into the arcane of Islam, but you do not spend that same amount of time pondering the teachings of your own faith. Please read the Sermon on the Mount. When you see a person walking out of the desert before you, perhaps with a child on his or her back, you know how to greet them with food, shelter, and protection, don't you? This is a custom among Christians, Jews, Muslims, and so many people of other faiths. To our shame, people in the U.S. have prosecuted those who have left water out for the sustenance of those in the desert. People have even dumped that water in the ground rather than give it to people who literally thirst.

 

[Monk-Eye]

" Paradox Of Self Preservation Against Encroachment Without Restraint "

* On Those Pretending To Be Pious In Generosity As A Dictator *

this is gibberish. Why not spend your time contemplating the meaning of the teachings of Jesus in Christianity? You seem to delve into the arcane of Islam, but you do not spend that same amount of time pondering the teachings of your own faith. Please read the Sermon on the Mount. When you see a person walking out of the desert before you, perhaps with a child on his or her back, you know how to greet them with food, shelter, and protection, don't you? This is a custom among Christians, Jews, Muslims, and so many people of other faiths. To our shame, people in the U.S. have prosecuted those who have left water out for the sustenance of those in the desert. People have even dumped that water in the ground rather than give it to people who literally thirst.

There is nothing gibberish about the nomian genetic religions of torahnism and qurayshism , or pretenses of the debase nomian religion of fictional ishmaelism , or the antithesis of nomianism that is antinomianism , noting the adherents of torahnism do not believe its 613 mitzvot apply universally outside of israel .

There is not a difference between religion and creed and no creed deserves an exception under the guise of a religion when the tenets or edicts of creed violate non violence principles as does fictional ishmaelism .

Now the religion of secular humanism believes all other religions other than its own must fund charities through private philanthropic donations , whereas the religion of secular humanism believes its own auspices are entitled to pilfer public coffers and extort taxpayer funds for its own charities .

So to the religion of secular humanism and to you , practice your faith independent from expectations that others coerced by government should be beholden to fund your charities .

You are forwarding unrealistic expectations as it regards accommodations for all , as go forth and multiply does not provide a plan when poverty and despair take hold other than to offer pitty and glorify itself without accepting any responsibility for facilitating the situation .

Prior to foundation of a state , there are only natural freedoms based upon moral relativism , and to improve ones quality of life and chances for survival one exchanges their natural freedoms for membership in a social civil contract according to a constitution as a greater individual of state , while non members remain subject to natural freedoms .

The us extends equal protection but that is entirely different from equal endowment and the extension of citizenship is an endowment to be decided by citizens and not to be given away lightly to children of illegal migrants , just as it should not be extended to individuals whose creed , that is religion , violates non violence principles as fictional ishmaelism does .

 

[PoliticalChic]

Every religion has assholes in it. Every single one. Example: Frankie Graham trashing Christianity.

Perhaps this Muslim cleric could shed more light on the subject.

“New York Mufti says, Muslims cannot integrate: ‘Muslims should hate non-Muslims’ “The general principle… is to love and to hate for the sake of Allah,” New York Mufti says, Muslims cannot integrate: 'Muslims should hate non-Muslims' · Caldron Pool


Compare that to this, from three millennia ago….Lest any imagine that all religions are the same, Leviticus 19:34

34 The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the Lord your God.






“I have been commanded to wage war against mankind till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, …and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf ….”

Know whose quote that is?

Muhammad bin Abdullah (570-632)

 

[TNHarley]

Every religion has assholes in it. Every single one. Example: Frankie Graham trashing Christianity.

Do you idiots ever get tired of comparing christianity to a religion that is still stuck in 650 AD? Good gawd.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Every religion has assholes in it. Every single one. Example: Frankie Graham trashing Christianity.

Do you idiots ever get tired of comparing christianity to a religion that is still stuck in 650 AD? Good gawd.

Your indictment isn't broad enough.

They will parrot every insane, illogical, clearly erroneous pronouncement their masters make.

They voted for an individual for whom we have evidence of having been bought and paid for by Communist China.

 

[Likkmee]

People wrote a lot during those years.

This Hebrew Professor Claims The Bible's Moses Was On DMT

Scientists think Moses was tripping on DMT...

www.higherperspectives.com

 

[Taz]

Every religion has assholes in it. Every single one. Example: Frankie Graham trashing Christianity.

Do you idiots ever get tired of comparing christianity to a religion that is still stuck in 650 AD? Good gawd.

Your indictment isn't broad enough.

They will parrot every insane, illogical, clearly erroneous pronouncement their masters make.

They voted for an individual for whom we have evidence of having been bought and paid for by Communist China.

"They will parrot every insane, illogical, clearly erroneous pronouncement their masters make."

So do Christians, especially homskoold religious freaks.

 

[Likkmee]

◄ Ezekiel 23 ►

New International Version Par ▾ Two Adulterous Sisters 1The word of the Lord came to me: 2“Son of man, there were two women, daughters of the same mother. 3They became prostitutes in Egypt, engaging in prostitution from their youth. In that land their breasts were fondled and their virgin bosoms caressed. 4The older was named Oholah, and her sister was Oholibah. They were mine and gave birth to sons and daughters. Oholah is Samaria, and Oholibah is Jerusalem. 5“Oholah engaged in prostitution while she was still mine; and she lusted after her lovers, the Assyrians—warriors 6clothed in blue, governors and commanders, all of them handsome young men, and mounted horsemen. 7She gave herself as a prostitute to all the elite of the Assyrians and defiled herself with all the idols of everyone she lusted after. 8She did not give up the prostitution she began in Egypt, when during her youth men slept with her, caressed her virgin bosom and poured out their lust on her. 9“Therefore I delivered her into the hands of her lovers, the Assyrians, for whom she lusted. 10They stripped her naked, took away her sons and daughters and killed her with the sword. She became a byword among women, and punishment was inflicted on her. 11“Her sister Oholibah saw this, yet in her lust and prostitution she was more depraved than her sister. 12She too lusted after the Assyrians—governors and commanders, warriors in full dress, mounted horsemen, all handsome young men. 13I saw that she too defiled herself; both of them went the same way. 14“But she carried her prostitution still further. She saw men portrayed on a wall, figures of Chaldeans a portrayed in red, 15with belts around their waists and flowing turbans on their heads; all of them looked like Babylonian chariot officers, natives of Chaldea. b 16As soon as she saw them, she lusted after them and sent messengers to them in Chaldea. 17Then the Babylonians came to her, to the bed of love, and in their lust they defiled her. After she had been defiled by them, she turned away from them in disgust. 18When she carried on her prostitution openly and exposed her naked body, I turned away from her in disgust, just as I had turned away from her sister. 19Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. 20There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses. 21So you longed for the lewdness of your youth, when in Egypt your bosom was caressed and your young breasts fondled. c 22“Therefore, Oholibah, this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will stir up your lovers against you, those you turned away from in disgust, and I will bring them against you from every side— 23the Babylonians and all the Chaldeans, the men of Pekod and Shoa and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them, handsome young men, all of them governors and commanders, chariot officers and men of high rank, all mounted on horses. 24They will come against you with weapons, d chariots and wagons and with a throng of people; they will take up positions against you on every side with large and small shields and with helmets. I will turn you over to them for punishment, and they will punish you according to their standards. 25I will direct my jealous anger against you, and they will deal with you in fury. They will cut off your noses and your ears, and those of you who are left will fall by the sword. They will take away your sons and daughters, and those of you who are left will be consumed by fire. 26They will also strip you of your clothes and take your fine jewelry. 27So I will put a stop to the lewdness and prostitution you began in Egypt. You will not look on these things with longing or remember Egypt anymore. 28“For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am about to deliver you into the hands of those you hate, to those you turned away from in disgust. 29They will deal with you in hatred and take away everything you have worked for. They will leave you stark naked, and the shame of your prostitution will be exposed. Your lewdness and promiscuity 30have brought this on you, because you lusted after the nations and defiled yourself with their idols. 31You have gone the way of your sister; so I will put her cup into your hand. 32“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: “You will drink your sister’s cup, a cup large and deep; it will bring scorn and derision, for it holds so much. 33You will be filled with drunkenness and sorrow, the cup of ruin and desolation, the cup of your sister Samaria. 34You will drink it and drain it dry and chew on its pieces— and you will tear your breasts. I have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord. 35“Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: Since you have forgotten me and turned your back on me, you must bear the consequences of your lewdness and prostitution.” 36The Lord said to me: “Son of man, will you judge Oholah and Oholibah? Then confront them with their detestable practices, 37for they have committed adultery and blood is on their hands. They committed adultery with their idols; they even sacrificed their children, whom they bore to me, as food for them. 38They have also done this to me: At that same time they defiled my sanctuary and desecrated my Sabbaths. 39On the very day they sacrificed their children to their idols, they entered my sanctuary and desecrated it. That is what they did in my house. 40“They even sent messengers for men who came from far away, and when they arrived you bathed yourself for them, applied eye makeup and put on your jewelry. 41You sat on an elegant couch, with a table spread before it on which you had placed the incense and olive oil that belonged to me. 42“The noise of a carefree crowd was around her; drunkards were brought from the desert along with men from the rabble, and they put bracelets on the wrists of the woman and her sister and beautiful crowns on their heads. 43Then I said about the one worn out by adultery, ‘Now let them use her as a prostitute, for that is all she is.’ 44And they slept with her. As men sleep with a prostitute, so they slept with those lewd women, Oholah and Oholibah. 45But righteous judges will sentence them to the punishment of women who commit adultery and shed blood, because they are adulterous and blood is on their hands. 46“This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Bring a mob against them and give them over to terror and plunder. 47The mob will stone them and cut them down with their swords; they will kill their sons and daughters and burn down their houses. 48“So I will put an end to lewdness in the land, that all women may take warning and not imitate you. 49You will suffer the penalty for your lewdness and bear the consequences of your sins of idolatry. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign Lord.”