Murrow Or McCarthy?

[whitehall]

What I can not forgive in modern Academia is the purposeful distortions and lies they tell for propaganda purposes.

Every time somebody brings up Senator McCarthy and goes immediately into the activities of HUAC and the blacklisting of actors and others in Hollywood, I just want to smash their head into a wall. The Senator was involved in the Army-McCarthy Hearing in 1954, and was only interested in individuals who had security clearances and actually worked for the US Government. People in the military, people working in the State Department, people like that.

The House Un-American Activities Committee is the organization that went after people who did not work for the Government, like actors. And that was actually started by Congressman Ed Hart (D) in 1945. That is the organization that conducted the "Hollywood Blacklist", and that started in 1947 - 7 years before the Army-McCartney Hearings. And continued for almost two decades after the McCartney Hearing (finally ending in 1975).

What bothers me not so much that it is "propaganda", but it is an almost absolute lie. Yet a lot of people want to believe it and will absolutely ignore facts because they contradict their beliefs.

Even HUAC didn't have the power to blacklist anyone, the committee only had subpoena power. Hollywood was focused on money and movie moguls thought they would lose money if they employed even suspected communists so they were fired. The ironic thing is that Americans didn't give a damn either way at the time. The liberal media never saw a republican they liked so they cooperated with Hollywood and the anti-communist era was successfully blamed on a republican. Hollywood went further and promoted movies that sent the same message that they weren't to blame for blacklisting, McCarthy was.

 

[there4eyeM]

Marxism; especially as expressed by the Soviet Union, was, indeed, an enemy of the U.S. Republic. The trouble was that characters like McCarthy parlayed the subject into a career and carried it to extremes that also were not in the Republic's interests. The American system was more than vigorous enough to shrug off intellectual assaults. There was no need to destroy the lives of so many individuals by a society that claimed to honor individuality. Certainly, ferreting out actual Soviet agents from key positions was correct. Spies get what they deserve. A writer in California who had a sophomoric fascination with a new cause decades previously was no threat.

 

[Mushroom]

Hollywood went further and promoted movies that sent the same message that they weren't to blame for blacklisting, McCarthy was.

The Senator had not a damned thing to do with that, that was the House Un-American Activities Committee. Which started their hearings when Joe McCarthy was a judge on the Wisconsin Circuit Court.



One of many "Inconvenient Truths" that a lot of people willingly ignore to push fake beliefs.

But I invite anybody to watch any of the hundreds of hours of testimony involved with the HUAC, or the tens of thousands of pages of transcripts. Joe McCartney's name appears nowhere, because he was in no way involved. And they continued hearing like that long after he had died.



Notice, the above newsreel was made in 1960. Three years after the Senator had died.

 

[Mushroom]

The trouble was that characters like McCarthy parlayed the subject into a career and carried it to extremes that also were not in the Republic's interests. The American system was more than vigorous enough to shrug off intellectual assaults. There was no need to destroy the lives of so many individuals by a society that claimed to honor individuality. Certainly, ferreting out actual Soviet agents from key positions was correct. Spies get what they deserve. A writer in California who had a sophomoric fascination with a new cause decades previously was no threat.

The Senator was only interested in people who were working for the US Government. Specifically working for the DoD and the State Department.

Like so many do, you are confusing what he was doing with the HUAC. They are not the same thing, the HUAC was a thing years before Joe McCartney was a Senator. That "writer in California" was of no interest to him, it was the Democratic lead HUAC that went after them.

 

[whitehall]

Marxism; especially as expressed by the Soviet Union, was, indeed, an enemy of the U.S. Republic. The trouble was that characters like McCarthy parlayed the subject into a career and carried it to extremes that also were not in the Republic's interests. The American system was more than vigorous enough to shrug off intellectual assaults. There was no need to destroy the lives of so many individuals by a society that claimed to honor individuality. Certainly, ferreting out actual Soviet agents from key positions was correct. Spies get what they deserve. A writer in California who had a sophomoric fascination with a new cause decades previously was no threat.

Do lefties still think a single republican blow hard senator was able to carry anti-communism to extremes that were not in the interests of the United States while HUAC was chugging along? Get some freaking historic perspective and stop relying on phony pop history created by idiots in the media.

 

[whoisit]

Whenever "McCarthyism" is used, I never fail to reply that McCarthy was right.

Post in thread 'A History of the communist Party of the United States of America: the most dangerous, most fanatical crime gang in the USA. McCarthy was right!!'

Sep 5, 2025

It's hard to compete with people like Elvis Presley in the scene..The USSR's imperialistic- Marxist never came close to anything more than spying.

1. I'm 100% with you on this. If I were a Red Tsar and saw Elvis Presley on the scene, I'd shut down the Bolshevik Empire project that very day.
2. "Well, you're 100% wrong on this. The communists have penetrated all U.S. institutions—they've achieved a lot.

Currie and White were part of this Bolshevik -aligned strategy, which included manipulating U.S. policy toward China to favor...

• Litwin

From the looks of things now, yes he was right. Although he was speaking of specific groups of socialist, not all of them of course.

 

[Correll]

He died of alcoholism, which means he was drinking heavily while in the Senate.

It affects the senses and rationality.

What is your view on communism, and communists?

 

[whoisit]

Look at what's left of the nation now, looks like McCarthy was right.
Nobody actually protects our sovereignty or laws.
They just sit up there in the Outhouse and make promises while America falls.
Our northern and southern borders didn't close till millions invaded.
Looks like we just closed our borders to lock them all in.

 

[whoisit]

Murrow's last answer,

 

[Litwin]

From the looks of things now, yes he was right. Although he was speaking of specific groups of socialist, not all of them of course.

The communists have penetrated all U.S. institutions—they've achieved a lot.

Post in thread 'A History of the communist Party of the United States of America: the most dangerous, most fanatical crime gang in the USA. McCarthy was right!!'

Sep 5, 2025

It's hard to compete with people like Elvis Presley in the scene..The USSR's imperialistic- Marxist never came close to anything more than spying.

1. I'm 100% with you on this. If I were a Red Tsar and saw Elvis Presley on the scene, I'd shut down the Bolshevik Empire project that very day.
2. "Well, you're 100% wrong on this. The communists have penetrated all U.S. institutions—they've achieved a lot.

Currie and White were part of this Bolshevik -aligned strategy, which included manipulating U.S. policy toward China to favor...

• Litwin

 

[whoisit]

The communists have penetrated all U.S. institutions—they've achieved a lot.

Post in thread 'A History of the communist Party of the United States of America: the most dangerous, most fanatical crime gang in the USA. McCarthy was right!!'

Sep 5, 2025

It's hard to compete with people like Elvis Presley in the scene..The USSR's imperialistic- Marxist never came close to anything more than spying.

1. I'm 100% with you on this. If I were a Red Tsar and saw Elvis Presley on the scene, I'd shut down the Bolshevik Empire project that very day.
2. "Well, you're 100% wrong on this. The communists have penetrated all U.S. institutions—they've achieved a lot.

Currie and White were part of this Bolshevik -aligned strategy, which included manipulating U.S. policy toward China to favor...

• Litwin

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This goes back a long way leading up to the Federal Reserve created in 1913, which isn't federal at all, it is owned by a group of powerful people.
At least that is what I've read over the years, which it really makes no difference anyway, who can stop it now?
Some say the Royal family control things, others say the Rothchilds, then some say a small group of many persuasions.

 

[Litwin]

This goes back a long way leading up to the Federal Reserve created in 1913, which isn't federal at all, it is owned by a group of powerful people.
At least that is what I've read over the years, which it really makes no difference anyway, who can stop it now?
Some say the Royal family control things, others say the Rothchilds, then some say a small group of many persuasions.

The only thing commies & moscow empire understand is power.

McCarthy was correct 100% !​

 

[wist43]

Communism and the theology of the left are flourishing in the west because it has been funded and supported by the monied, western elites from the beginning.

The left tries to distance communism from its financial sugar daddies, but like anything else - follow the money.

When Lenin traveled across war torn Europe in the Sealed Train with all that $$ from the Rothschilds, the left says that was the end of it. A one-off handout meant solely to stop the fighting on their eastern front, but it doesn't take much digging to unravel all of the support and funding the Global Banking Elite have provided for the communist cause.

When Norman Dodd, the Senate Committee investigator began to dig into and expose the Elites funding of communism thru the Foundation system, i.e. The Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers Fund, Carnegie Foundation, etc, the Eastern Establishment rallied hard to stop McCarthy and the hearings.

They killed James Forrestal to silence him, and they would have killed McCarthy, MacArthur, and Robert Taft if they hadn't been able to strangle the investigations and hang it around McCarthy's neck as a badge of shame.

Now all that is highlighted in the history books is "McCarthyism" and all of the scorn they heap upon the term.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Who was right, Tail Gunner Joe or Good Luck Ed?

Edward R. Murrow vs. McCarthy: The True Story Behind 'Good Night, and Good Luck'

Discover the real-life confrontation between CBS journalist Edward R. Murrow and Senator Joseph McCarthy in 1954. Learn how Murrow's brave stand against McCarthyism, as depicted in 'Good Night, and Good Luck', changed American television and politics forever.

www.factualamerica.com

Not Murrow. His episode about McCarthy was probably the most dishonest piece of propaganda aired on American television up to that point. If I were a journalist, my nightmare would be to be given the "Edward R. Murrow Award."

 

[whitehall]

Murrow had the voice of the media and McCarthy was hated by the media. Who do you think will win that race?

 

[Oddball]

 

[eagle7-31]

Who was right, Tail Gunner Joe or Good Luck Ed?

Edward R. Murrow vs. McCarthy: The True Story Behind 'Good Night, and Good Luck'

Discover the real-life confrontation between CBS journalist Edward R. Murrow and Senator Joseph McCarthy in 1954. Learn how Murrow's brave stand against McCarthyism, as depicted in 'Good Night, and Good Luck', changed American television and politics forever.

www.factualamerica.com

Palmer Raids - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Palmer far worse than McCarthy.

 

[Mushroom]

Palmer Raids - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Palmer far worse than McCarthy.

Not really, because those were on the heels of a series of Anarchist bombings. Including over 30 letter bombs and then later package bombs. Sent to Palmer himself even before the raids.

Funny how so many people who make claims like that tend to ignore the actual timeline. The bombing attacks started in April, the raids started in November.

 

[Leo123]

I'm not totally sure of which one I agree with the most yet.

Seems like McCarthy had a lot of factual information. With Mamdani (Communist) now up in the NY polls for mayor, I have to admit McCarthy may have been correct.

 

[Mushroom]

Seems like McCarthy had a lot of factual information.

I have long believed that somebody leaked to him some of the take from Venona. Pretty much everybody he ever accused of being a Communist was later when Venona was declassified found to be in those intercepted messages.

Which was later even verified in the KGB archives themselves.