Murder In Their Heart

[NYcarbineer]

3. A strong argument can be made that the term 'secularist' is one more version of totalitarian, in that it cedes all power to a 'beneficent,' unrestricted government....one which has no qualms about 'breaking those eggs.'


There is no shortage of evidence of same under the Obama regime.

Obama presides unrestricted over the nation?

lol good one.

 

[Moonglow]

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

Sorry...we aren't talking about letting an individual sell a kidney for profit........we are talking about the government taking the organs.....not capitalism at all....

State govt's have been doing it for years with corneas....

 

[PoliticalChic]

Our Fledgling Fascist Progressives are already embracing their Inner Mao, they want to use the government to destroy their political opponents (that's us)

Paranoia strikes deep, into the weak it will seep.

Lennon and Marx have the right idea, and no murder in their hearts:

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

I, not events, have the power to make me happy or unhappy today. I can choose which it shall be. Yesterday is dead, tomorrow hasn't arrived yet. I have just one day, today, and I'm going to be happy in it.
Read more at Top 10 Groucho Marx Quotes - BrainyQuote

Conservatives don’t dream of things that never were nearly so much as Liberals do. We usually dream the same dream that our forefathers did: an America that is identified by the “American Trinity” of “Liberty,” “In God We Trust,” and “E Pluribus Unum.” And, judging by history, we have seen that ‘utopian dreams’ are more likely to end up as nightmares.

 

[NYcarbineer]

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Under capitalism we got the horrors of the Industrial Revolution most acutely evidenced in 19th England.

Only the rise of socialism and and modern liberalism turned that tide.

 

[Moonglow]

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Under capitalism we got the horrors of the Industrial Revolution most acutely evidenced in 19th England.

Only the rise of socialism and and modern liberalism turned that tide.

And it was started by the GOP....Yet look at 'em now.......

 

[2aguy]

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

This is why guys like obama are trying to diminish the U.S........our success is messing up their understanding of reality....so they have to throw a wrench in the workings of capitalism so it will become what they have been told it will become....the success and prosperity that our country enjoyed....passing by the countries that existed long before us, is really pissing off guys like obama and the other leftists....

 

[Wry Catcher]

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator

c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Gee, almost to the day two years later this speech by Rev. Sirico demonstrates how wrong a person can be. One must wonder if he will continue to defend these words, in the face of reality.

 

[G.T.]

Speaking of this, that bomb we dropped was one of the most egregious and terrible things ever done in the history of humanity.

Talking about wasting x amount of lives for a "greater good" being someone's philosophy. Roll eyes.

 

[2aguy]

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Under capitalism we got the horrors of the Industrial Revolution most acutely evidenced in 19th England.

Only the rise of socialism and and modern liberalism turned that tide.

When will you fools understand....industrialization was new and something no one had experience with...the "horrors" of the industrial revolution were temporary.......it was a transition.....and it was messy...but as the industrial revolution increased the wealth of the regular person....those people wanted and could afford better lives....that is what capitalism created...the ability to clean up their environment, and provide more opportunities to their children...something you did not see in socialist countries and still don't.......

Watch China....they have horrible pollution....right now....as they become wealthier, because they are abandoning, not embracing socialist economic policies, their people are becoming wealthier and will demand a cleaner environment and a better life for their children...

You guys see the temporary mess of the industrial revolution and don't understand it.....it was a new thing, and like anything new it was messy and confusing....and once it was understood it was changed....and our environment is now cleaner than it was before the industrial revolution....not because of lefty causes..but because people became wealthier due to capitalism....

People with money like nice things....people under the control of the government simply get used to crap........look at Baltimore, detroit, and any other city controlled by the democrats....

 

[2aguy]

Speaking of this, that bomb we dropped was one of the most egregious and terrible things ever done in the history of humanity.

Talking about wasting x amount of lives for a "greater good" being someone's philosophy. Roll eyes.

No...it saved lives and ended the war much more quickly....and now Japan is a civilized nation with all the priveledges of a first class country....without the mass murder of people under it's control......

 

[G.T.]

Speaking of this, that bomb we dropped was one of the most egregious and terrible things ever done in the history of humanity.

Talking about wasting x amount of lives for a "greater good" being someone's philosophy. Roll eyes.

No...it saved lives and ended the war much more quickly....and now Japan is a civilized nation with all the priveledges of a first class country....without the mass murder of people under it's control......

See, the "it saved lives" thing would be the "utopia" mentioned in the OP.

Thats what "greater good" actually means.

The exact same philosophy she has lambasted "murder for the greater good" is the same thing. Kill people now to save more lives later.

I subscribe to neither. There are better ways.

 

[2aguy]

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator

c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Gee, almost to the day two years later this speech by Rev. Sirico demonstrates how wrong a person can be. One must wonder if he will continue to defend these words, in the face of reality.

When you have democrats in charge actively attacking those things that made life better for everyone....it takes a while for people to kick them out of office and fix their screw ups.....like Baltimore....

You guys have truth and reality dyslexia....you see truth and call it lies....you see reality and call it fantasy.....and then you had 12 years of democrat controlled education catering to your dyslexia instead of trying to help you get past it....no wonder you can't see truth and reality and cling to lefty bullshit....

 

[G.T.]

Also utopia is not a perjorative.

Its a lofty goal - impossible to reach and perhaps naive - but not a perjorative.

Its no worse to want for the betterment of mankind than to want for the betterment of your own children. And in fact, it actually starts there.

 

[2aguy]

Speaking of this, that bomb we dropped was one of the most egregious and terrible things ever done in the history of humanity.

Talking about wasting x amount of lives for a "greater good" being someone's philosophy. Roll eyes.

No...it saved lives and ended the war much more quickly....and now Japan is a civilized nation with all the priveledges of a first class country....without the mass murder of people under it's control......

See, the "it saved lives" thing would be the "utopia" mentioned in the OP.

Thats what "greater good" actually means.

The exact same philosophy she has lambasted "murder for the greater good" is the same thing. Kill people now to save more lives later.

I subscribe to neither. There are better ways.

Look...go out and study the topic....stop relying on your democrat teachers and professors......then you might know what you are talking about.....we used the bomb 2 times....the second time only because the Japanese did not surrender...when they surrendered we stopped bombing them....we did not do as the leftists did then....and go in and set up mass executions and death camps and we did not take over their country...we ******* helped them rebuild it.....and now they are a free people living in peace with their neighbors....and the lefty socialists in China are threatening war.....

Do some deep thinking...fight the dyslexia you suffer from....here is a clue...if you think something is true....question it because you are wrong...if you see reality one way.....think the opposite way and you will be correct....

 

[2aguy]

Also utopia is not a perjorative.

Its a lofty goal - impossible to reach and perhaps naive - but not a perjorative.

Its no worse to want for the betterment of mankind than to want for the betterment of your own children. And in fact, it actually starts there.

Yes....and if the left can only murder another 100 million or so people....the right people this time....they think they can finally achieve it.....right?

 

[G.T.]

Also utopia is not a perjorative.

Its a lofty goal - impossible to reach and perhaps naive - but not a perjorative.

Its no worse to want for the betterment of mankind than to want for the betterment of your own children. And in fact, it actually starts there.

Yes....and if the left can only murder another 100 million or so people....the right people this time....they think they can finally achieve it.....right?

It works both ways is what im saying. "The right would murder 100million communists to try and save future lives."

Cept youre a hypocrit so one monster under the bed is worse than the other.

 

[Moonglow]

Speaking of this, that bomb we dropped was one of the most egregious and terrible things ever done in the history of humanity.

Talking about wasting x amount of lives for a "greater good" being someone's philosophy. Roll eyes.

No...it saved lives and ended the war much more quickly....and now Japan is a civilized nation with all the priveledges of a first class country....without the mass murder of people under it's control......

See, the "it saved lives" thing would be the "utopia" mentioned in the OP.

Thats what "greater good" actually means.

The exact same philosophy she has lambasted "murder for the greater good" is the same thing. Kill people now to save more lives later.

I subscribe to neither. There are better ways.

Look...go out and study the topic....stop relying on your democrat teachers and professors......then you might know what you are talking about.....we used the bomb 2 times....the second time only because the Japanese did not surrender...when they surrendered we stopped bombing them....we did not do as the leftists did then....and go in and set up mass executions and death camps and we did not take over their country...we ******* helped them rebuild it.....and now they are a free people living in peace with their neighbors....and the lefty socialists in China are threatening war.....

Do some deep thinking...fight the dyslexia you suffer from....here is a clue...if you think something is true....question it because you are wrong...if you see reality one way.....think the opposite way and you will be correct....

Hey bro, the US has used the bomb more than twice.....leftist are not all communist....just like all righties are not conservatards....

 

[Moonglow]

For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Under capitalism we got the horrors of the Industrial Revolution most acutely evidenced in 19th England.

Only the rise of socialism and and modern liberalism turned that tide.

When will you fools understand....industrialization was new and something no one had experience with...the "horrors" of the industrial revolution were temporary.......it was a transition.....and it was messy...but as the industrial revolution increased the wealth of the regular person....those people wanted and could afford better lives....that is what capitalism created...the ability to clean up their environment, and provide more opportunities to their children...something you did not see in socialist countries and still don't.......

Watch China....they have horrible pollution....right now....as they become wealthier, because they are abandoning, not embracing socialist economic policies, their people are becoming wealthier and will demand a cleaner environment and a better life for their children...

You guys see the temporary mess of the industrial revolution and don't understand it.....it was a new thing, and like anything new it was messy and confusing....and once it was understood it was changed....and our environment is now cleaner than it was before the industrial revolution....not because of lefty causes..but because people became wealthier due to capitalism....

People with money like nice things....people under the control of the government simply get used to crap........look at Baltimore, detroit, and any other city controlled by the democrats....

Then why have other forms survived and prospered?

 

[2aguy]

Also utopia is not a perjorative.

Its a lofty goal - impossible to reach and perhaps naive - but not a perjorative.

Its no worse to want for the betterment of mankind than to want for the betterment of your own children. And in fact, it actually starts there.

Yes....and if the left can only murder another 100 million or so people....the right people this time....they think they can finally achieve it.....right?

It works both ways is what im saying. "The right would murder 100million communists to try and save future lives."

Cept youre a hypocrit so one monster under the bed is worse than the other.

Sorry...not true...not true at all...when we have won wars we did not ship people to death camps, we did not send people to gulags.....we rebuilt their countries and now they openly compete with us.......the truth is the left does not value individual human beings...you can see that in their embrace of abortion, where they use any excuse to justifiy killing unborn human beings....and in the way they are violent in politics, and war.......

The left murdered 100 million people to create utopia......and are ready to do it again if given the chance......the American Conservatives value individual human rights.....we see all people as individuals possessing the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness...that changes how you treat people vs. the left who sees people as collective groups of people and individuals as expendable assets on the way to perfection.....

 

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For Liberals/Progressives/Democrats your body belongs to the state, to the collective.

b. And..no...it's not merely in the realm of the theoretical....

" According to the Washington Post, taxpayers are now financing, via a $321,000 HHS grant, a pilot program at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center-Presbyterian Hospital and Allegheny General Hospital in Pittsburgh to obtain organs from emergency room patients, a practice heretofore "considered off-limits in the United States because of ethical and logistical concerns."

The goal of the project, reports the paper, is to "investigate whether it is feasible and, if so, to encourage other hospitals nationwide to follow." The Future s Shadow The American Spectator



c." "There's a fine line between methods that are pioneering and methods that are predatory," said Leslie M. Whetstine, a bioethicist at Walsh University in Ohio. "This seems to me to be in the latter category. It's ghoulish." Project to get transplant organs from ER patients raises ethics questions


"....ghoulish...."
How long before soylent green appears on the menu?


But, after all....it's for the good of the collective....er,I mean... the good of the children.

Thanks to capitalism at it best........profit motive behind transplants of vital organs is very lucrative if the source is free to minimal....Oh, you though the medical community had standards, morals and ethics, why sure, girls like to have boob jobs and men like flashy cars....

"Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong!

Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.

Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006

Under capitalism we got the horrors of the Industrial Revolution most acutely evidenced in 19th England.

Only the rise of socialism and and modern liberalism turned that tide.

In your constellation of stupid posts.....this one is prime.