"Mummy my tummy hurts" - How guns keep you safe.

Rights? Lol have you ever isited or lived in gun free countries? Not only people aren't dying by thousands like here, but guess what ? They are free too.

And yet when you chose to move out of your country, you didn't go to any of those other wonderful safe countries, you decided to come here.

We may have faults, but this is still the greatest country in the world. The only thing that could make it better is if we could rid this country of liberals that want to turn this great country into one of the many others.
 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.


No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.




And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...
I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.13 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,410; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12



See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"



They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?



Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.


Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....
Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .


You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.
You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?
Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem
Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.
I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem
I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.


1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
--------

A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
----

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/
Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.

Did you know that Australia with its restrictive gun laws has a higher rape rate than the US?

Guns don't cause rape.
Did you know that the US has 100s of millions of guns but yet have one of the highest rates of rape and thousands of gun deaths ?
And did you know that as the number of guns in America went UP, the violence went DOWN?
 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.


No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.




And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...
I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.13 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,410; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12



See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"



They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?



Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.


Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....
Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .


You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.
You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?
Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem
Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.
I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem
I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.


1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
--------

A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
----

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/
Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.

Did you know that Australia with its restrictive gun laws has a higher rape rate than the US?

Guns don't cause rape.
Did you know that the US has 100s of millions of guns but yet have one of the highest rates of rape and thousands of gun deaths ?
So what?

Guns don't cause crime

People do
Guns make criminals and no criminals more lethal, hence more fatalities.


No....there are more fatalities because the democrat party keeps releasing the actual criminals who use guns for crime...they release them over and over again, and then they use guns over and over again...

If they stopped letting them out of jail and prison, our gun crime rate in democrat party controlled cities would drop by about 95%...since these specific individuals are doing almost all of the shooting.....
Yeah right. The recent mass shootings none Of the shooters were criminals.
You just don't get it. Keep the body count.


Mass public shootings are the rarest of rare events, more rare than getting hit by lightning....

But because mass public shooters go to places that normal people go, guys like you can use them to fool Americans into thinking they are common....

in a country of 320 million people

2020.... one mass public shooting
2019..... 10 mass public shootings
2018.....12 mass public shootings

Each year the total number of people killed by mass public shootings is less than the number of people who die falling off of ladders or drown in swimming pools.....

And it isn't even close....

Total deaths by mass public shooters vs. ladder deaths, and death by lawn mower.....

Total number murdered in mass public shootings by year...

Lawn mower deaths every year.... more than 90

Lawnmowers kill more people than bears or sharks or alligators each year

Falling off ladder deaths...300...

Ladder Safety.

2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

And this is in a country of over 320 million people.........
Yes but I choose to mow the lawn or fix my roof. I have no choice in being slaughtered whilst sitting in church. Your comparison is infantile.

No.......ask the People on the continent who were sent to death camps, or who were ethnically cleansed in the Balkans if they had a choice.......

You think gun violence won't happen in Britain...your criminals are getting guns and using them, they are giving them to children as well to enforce their drug turf....

Our gun violence increased in the Mid 1960s as left wingers decided not to punish criminals...you are there now.....it is going to get worse for you.
 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.


No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.




And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...
I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.13 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,410; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12



See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"



They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?



Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.


Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....
Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .


You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.
You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?
Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem
Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.
I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem
I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.


1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/
Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.

Did you know that Australia with its restrictive gun laws has a higher rape rate than the US?

Guns don't cause rape.
Did you know that the US has 100s of millions of guns but yet have one of the highest rates of rape and thousands of gun deaths ?
So what?

Guns don't cause crime

People do
Guns make criminals and no criminals more lethal, hence more fatalities.
And not all people are criminals.

Do you want any of your rights taken away because someone else commits a crime?

I don't see why it's so hard for you to understand that you don't punish everyone for the crimes of a fraction of a percent of the population.
Rights? Lol have you ever isited or lived in gun free countries? Not only people aren't dying by thousands like here, but guess what ? They are free too.
You're not free to protect yourself with the best tool for self defense.

But maybe you like the idea of being punished for the crimes other people commit.
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?


Because they don't want you to be able to stop them.

Your governments handed over your citizens to the German Socialists, who then murdered them..........

More people were murdered by European governments in that 15 year period....12 million innocent men, women and children......innocent people who had committed no crime.....than all of the victims of gun murder in the U.S. in 87 years.......and the victims of gun murder in the U.S. are over 70-80% all criminals........people who chose to be criminals and were murdered by other criminals engaging in criminal activity...

And of the rest of the gun murder victims in the U.S., the majority of them are friends, family and associates of criminals......hit by mistake when the criminal they knew was the target....in democrat party controlled voting districts...

In the U.S....

If you aren't a criminal...

If you are not the friend, family member or associate of a criminal....

If you don't live in a democrat party voting district....

Your odds of getting shot, shot and murdered are almost 0.


Meanwhile.....European crimnals are now getting and using guns, more and more....so your ability to look down your nose at us is coming to an end........fully automatic military rifles and grenades are the weapon of choice among European criminals....and they don't fear or respect your police....
Not one politician in any party at any time wants the country to look like the killing fields of America. We look at you with pity.


We don't have killing fields...Europe had actual killing fields ....12 million murdered.....the Balkans and ethnic cleansing..........

We have tiny areas, controlled by the democrat party, where criminals murder each other.....normal people are safe if they don't associate with criminals or live in tiny areas in democrat party controlled voting districts...

Mass public shootings? More people in the U.S. are killed by lawn mowers each year and by falling off ladders than by mass public shooters...
 
Very sad that women have to buy guns to protect themselves. I've visited and lived in gun free countries and women roamed safely unlike Here in the US.

Well I guess that would depend on the kind of people you roamed with. It also depends on how their prisons are. Here our prisoners are fed three square meals a day, plus snacks if you have family or friends deposit money into your prison account. They have a workout room, a pool room, and an outdoor field to play their chosen sports. They even have a private room where your wife or girlfriend can stop by to start a family. Our prisoners have cable television, limited internet access, and you can even work and make money in our prisons.

We have the same thing outside of prisons, but we call them getaway weekends and we have to pay for it. Since throughout time, we've allowed liberal judges to turn our prisons into playgrounds, we no longer have a strong enough deterrent to crime. That's why we have the highest recidivism prison rate in the world. Therefore we have no choice but to provide a strong enough deterrent against crime ourselves. Take away that deterrent, then there really is none.


Very sad that women have to buy guns to protect themselves. I've visited and lived in gun free countries and women roamed safely unlike Here in the US.

Well I guess that would depend on the kind of people you roamed with. It also depends on how their prisons are. Here our prisoners are fed three square meals a day, plus snacks if you have family or friends deposit money into your prison account. They have a workout room, a pool room, and an outdoor field to play their chosen sports. They even have a private room where your wife or girlfriend can stop by to start a family. Our prisoners have cable television, limited internet access, and you can even work and make money in our prisons.

We have the same thing outside of prisons, but we call them getaway weekends and we have to pay for it. Since throughout time, we've allowed liberal judges to turn our prisons into playgrounds, we no longer have a strong enough deterrent to crime. That's why we have the highest recidivism prison rate in the world. Therefore we have no choice but to provide a strong enough deterrent against crime ourselves. Take away that deterrent, then there really is none.


And the actual problem is that democrat party judges, politicians and prosecutors let violent gun killers out of jail and prison.......if they would leave them in prison, we they wouldn't be shooting up democrat party controlled cities....where almost all of the gun murder happens...

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas. These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/

Hey....Tommy Tainant......can you explain why almost all of our gun murder happens in democrat party controlled areas?
 
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.

 
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.



Mass shootings are not mass public shootings....gang members shooting each other don't effect normal people......you idiot...and that is the only way you can get the numbers you want...by including criminals shooting other criminals....

While you hide the mass murder by European governments, of unarmed, innocent civilians.....a number that is higher than 87 years of criminals murdering criminals here in the U.S......

10,235 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019....multiply that by 87 and you get 890,445 murders by gun over that 87 years.....over 70-80% of those murdered are criminals, voluntarily living the life of crime....and of the rest, the majority are friends and family of the criminals hit by mistake because they know the criminal....

Compare that to 1930-1945..... 15 years...

12 million innocent men, women and children murdered by your governments.......innocent people, not criminals....

You can mock that number all you want but unarmed people were murdered by the very government that told them....give up your guns and we will keep you safe.....and then they allowed them to be murdered by the socialists...and this doesn't even include the murder in the Balkans......

You have nothing on us....and your gun crime is going up.......you idiot...
 
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.



Accidental shootings......

As more Americans own and carry guns our accidental gun death numbers have gone down, not up, you idiot...

On top of that, cars accidentally kill more people......

Accidental gun deaths......( 600 million guns in private hands...over 19.4 million Americans can carry guns in public for self defense.....there are more guns than cars in the U.S.....)

2019....485
2018....458
2017....486
2016 495
2015...489http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....461

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

Accidental Car deaths....

2019...... 30,107
2018......30,404


And then, you have all the lives saved by guns....which are higher than the number of criminals murdered by other criminals with guns...

Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct


that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved

less some attackers who lost their lives to defenders. This enormous benefit dwarfs, both in human and economic terms,


Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.
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It’s one of the antis’ favorite tricks: cost benefit analysis omitting the benefit side of the equation. So what are the financial benefits of firearm ownership to society? Read on . . .

In my post Dennis Henigan on Chardon: Clockwork Edition, I did an analysis of how many lives were saved annually in Defensive Gun Uses (DGUs). I used extremely conservative numbers. Now I am going to use some less conservative ones.
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How can we get a dollar figure from 1.88 million defensive gun uses per year? Never fear, faithful reader, we can count on the .gov to calculate everything.

According to the AZ state government, in February of 2008 a human life was worth $6.5 million. Going to the Inflation Calculator and punching in the numbers gives us a present value of $6.93 million.

So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.

 
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.
We also have over 36,000 vehicular deaths ever year in the US as well. Is that a reason to get rid of transportation? Now that global warming is almost here (probably by next week) we will be treated to multiple stories of drownings in my area, it's an annual thing. But we don't prohibit fishing in Lake Erie and swimming for that reason.

We cant end murders in this country by taking guns away from law abiding people. We can't create any real deterrent to crime as long as we have Democrats around. The reason we need guns is because of Democrats. If we had no Democrats, we would have no need for guns to use for self-defense. Democrats are very violent and dangerous people, or haven't you been watching the riots of last year from coast to coast?

Laws only work on law abiding citizens. They do not work on criminals. That's why they're criminals in the first place. Disarming society would only leave us with the criminals and police having guns. As for the rest of us, we'd become victims.
 
And the actual problem is that democrat party judges, politicians and prosecutors let violent gun killers out of jail and prison.......if they would leave them in prison, we they wouldn't be shooting up democrat party controlled cities....where almost all of the gun murder happens...

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas. These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

Then what you are saying is that it's not the guns, it's the people. Now who would have thought of that? :aug08_031::auiqs.jpg:
 
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.



Mass shootings are not mass public shootings....gang members shooting each other don't effect normal people......you idiot...and that is the only way you can get the numbers you want...by including criminals shooting other criminals....

While you hide the mass murder by European governments, of unarmed, innocent civilians.....a number that is higher than 87 years of criminals murdering criminals here in the U.S......

10,235 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019....multiply that by 87 and you get 890,445 murders by gun over that 87 years.....over 70-80% of those murdered are criminals, voluntarily living the life of crime....and of the rest, the majority are friends and family of the criminals hit by mistake because they know the criminal....

Compare that to 1930-1945..... 15 years...

12 million innocent men, women and children murdered by your governments.......innocent people, not criminals....

You can mock that number all you want but unarmed people were murdered by the very government that told them....give up your guns and we will keep you safe.....and then they allowed them to be murdered by the socialists...and this doesn't even include the murder in the Balkans......

You have nothing on us....and your gun crime is going up.......you idiot...
Meanwhile in Europe we dont have thousands slaughtered every year. You cite millions killed but that is a nonsense argument put forward by the gun nut lobby. there have been several mas slaughters in the States since we started this thread. In Europe - nothing. You are just a fraudsters pushing suspect stats and dubious links. IE Right wing trash.
 
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.



Mass shootings are not mass public shootings....gang members shooting each other don't effect normal people......you idiot...and that is the only way you can get the numbers you want...by including criminals shooting other criminals....

While you hide the mass murder by European governments, of unarmed, innocent civilians.....a number that is higher than 87 years of criminals murdering criminals here in the U.S......

10,235 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019....multiply that by 87 and you get 890,445 murders by gun over that 87 years.....over 70-80% of those murdered are criminals, voluntarily living the life of crime....and of the rest, the majority are friends and family of the criminals hit by mistake because they know the criminal....

Compare that to 1930-1945..... 15 years...

12 million innocent men, women and children murdered by your governments.......innocent people, not criminals....

You can mock that number all you want but unarmed people were murdered by the very government that told them....give up your guns and we will keep you safe.....and then they allowed them to be murdered by the socialists...and this doesn't even include the murder in the Balkans......

You have nothing on us....and your gun crime is going up.......you idiot...
Meanwhile in Europe we dont have thousands slaughtered every year. You cite millions killed but that is a nonsense argument put forward by the gun nut lobby. there have been several mas slaughters in the States since we started this thread. In Europe - nothing. You are just a fraudsters pushing suspect stats and dubious links. IE Right wing trash.


12 million in 15 years.....you governments handed over your citizens for murder.

890,000 criminals for the most part over 87 years....

Can you tell which number is bigger?

10,235 gun murders, over 70-80% of the victims criminals, of the rest, they are majority friends and family of the criminals......


Lives saved by guns in the hands of normal people in the U.S.....176,000 a year.....

Can you tell which number is bigger.....?

Rapes, beatings, robberies, murders stopped....lives saved, that you dismiss and don't care about........

Which is better Tommy......please answer.....

A woman is brutally gang raped by a group of men, possibly tortured as well, possibly murdered as well....

Or she uses a gun to stop the gang rape, beating, and murder?
 
Meanwhile in Europe we dont have thousands slaughtered every year. You cite millions killed but that is a nonsense argument put forward by the gun nut lobby. there have been several mas slaughters in the States since we started this thread. In Europe - nothing. You are just a fraudsters pushing suspect stats and dubious links. IE Right wing trash.

First of all mass shootings claim very few in comparison to the rest of the murders in this country. Watch the shooting and death count in anti-gun Chicago by the end of this holiday weekend. Secondly it's what one considers a mass shooting. The FBI puts it at 4 or more deaths. If some lowlifes are at a party, one starts shooting, then another, then another, five or six people dead is not what I consider a mass shooting as what is thought of when the term is used. Hell, we have people here who kill their family of three then themselves. That's technically considered a mass shooting by FBI standards.
 
Meanwhile in Europe we dont have thousands slaughtered every year. You cite millions killed but that is a nonsense argument put forward by the gun nut lobby. there have been several mas slaughters in the States since we started this thread. In Europe - nothing. You are just a fraudsters pushing suspect stats and dubious links. IE Right wing trash.

First of all mass shootings claim very few in comparison to the rest of the murders in this country. Watch the shooting and death count in anti-gun Chicago by the end of this holiday weekend. Secondly it's what one considers a mass shooting. The FBI puts it at 4 or more deaths. If some lowlifes are at a party, one starts shooting, then another, then another, five or six people dead is not what I consider a mass shooting as what is thought of when the term is used. Hell, we have people here who kill their family of three then themselves. That's technically considered a mass shooting by FBI standards.
Gang shootings are not included.
 
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.



Mass shootings are not mass public shootings....gang members shooting each other don't effect normal people......you idiot...and that is the only way you can get the numbers you want...by including criminals shooting other criminals....

While you hide the mass murder by European governments, of unarmed, innocent civilians.....a number that is higher than 87 years of criminals murdering criminals here in the U.S......

10,235 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019....multiply that by 87 and you get 890,445 murders by gun over that 87 years.....over 70-80% of those murdered are criminals, voluntarily living the life of crime....and of the rest, the majority are friends and family of the criminals hit by mistake because they know the criminal....

Compare that to 1930-1945..... 15 years...

12 million innocent men, women and children murdered by your governments.......innocent people, not criminals....

You can mock that number all you want but unarmed people were murdered by the very government that told them....give up your guns and we will keep you safe.....and then they allowed them to be murdered by the socialists...and this doesn't even include the murder in the Balkans......

You have nothing on us....and your gun crime is going up.......you idiot...
Meanwhile in Europe we dont have thousands slaughtered every year. You cite millions killed but that is a nonsense argument put forward by the gun nut lobby. there have been several mas slaughters in the States since we started this thread. In Europe - nothing. You are just a fraudsters pushing suspect stats and dubious links. IE Right wing trash.


Tommy...gun violence is coming to Britain.........you can't stop it...your government controlled news hides it really well....but it is happening...

Hornsey residents claim they are being terrorised by gang members after a young man was shot dead overnight - the third murder to occur near Turnpike Lane Tube station this year.

The victim, a man aged in his 20s, was gunned down in the very early hours of Friday morning (May 28).
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And while all residents that spoke to My London were saddened by the death of this young man, they were also grimly not surprised by the murder.

Why? Because Hornsey residents have seen this all before.


A number of local workers, who were too scared to be named, revealed the grim reality of crime in the area.

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Asked whether he was surprised about the shooting, one shop owner said: “It’s Turnpike Lane. This is normal. If you stay here until midnight, someone will be dead.

“I see them with guns every day, I see them with knives every day, I see them with bags of drugs and bags of money."
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Crime is getting so bad in the area, that many residents are "scared" to live here.


A shop worker said "customers say they don’t want to live here anymore"."
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Another local business owner claimed 30-40 'drug dealers' gather in the square outside the station every day.

He said “gangs” threaten his staff - blocking them in the shop because “they want to control the street”. The week before the shooting, someone came into the shop and "threw food" all over him, he said.

The owner has been trading here for 30 years, and used to keep his shops open until 1am, but in recent years, he has to close at 7pm.


 
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.



Mass shootings are not mass public shootings....gang members shooting each other don't effect normal people......you idiot...and that is the only way you can get the numbers you want...by including criminals shooting other criminals....

While you hide the mass murder by European governments, of unarmed, innocent civilians.....a number that is higher than 87 years of criminals murdering criminals here in the U.S......

10,235 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019....multiply that by 87 and you get 890,445 murders by gun over that 87 years.....over 70-80% of those murdered are criminals, voluntarily living the life of crime....and of the rest, the majority are friends and family of the criminals hit by mistake because they know the criminal....

Compare that to 1930-1945..... 15 years...

12 million innocent men, women and children murdered by your governments.......innocent people, not criminals....

You can mock that number all you want but unarmed people were murdered by the very government that told them....give up your guns and we will keep you safe.....and then they allowed them to be murdered by the socialists...and this doesn't even include the murder in the Balkans......

You have nothing on us....and your gun crime is going up.......you idiot...
Meanwhile in Europe we dont have thousands slaughtered every year. You cite millions killed but that is a nonsense argument put forward by the gun nut lobby. there have been several mas slaughters in the States since we started this thread. In Europe - nothing. You are just a fraudsters pushing suspect stats and dubious links. IE Right wing trash.


Tommy.......gun violence is coming to Britain, and the BBC won't be able to hide it....

Acting on “fast time intelligence”, the video shows specialist crime and firearms officers speed towards Longhor before he is detained on the ground and searched.

In his backpack, officers found two Skorpion machine guns and 40 rounds of ammunition.



 
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And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.



Mass shootings are not mass public shootings....gang members shooting each other don't effect normal people......you idiot...and that is the only way you can get the numbers you want...by including criminals shooting other criminals....

While you hide the mass murder by European governments, of unarmed, innocent civilians.....a number that is higher than 87 years of criminals murdering criminals here in the U.S......

10,235 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019....multiply that by 87 and you get 890,445 murders by gun over that 87 years.....over 70-80% of those murdered are criminals, voluntarily living the life of crime....and of the rest, the majority are friends and family of the criminals hit by mistake because they know the criminal....

Compare that to 1930-1945..... 15 years...

12 million innocent men, women and children murdered by your governments.......innocent people, not criminals....

You can mock that number all you want but unarmed people were murdered by the very government that told them....give up your guns and we will keep you safe.....and then they allowed them to be murdered by the socialists...and this doesn't even include the murder in the Balkans......

You have nothing on us....and your gun crime is going up.......you idiot...
Meanwhile in Europe we dont have thousands slaughtered every year. You cite millions killed but that is a nonsense argument put forward by the gun nut lobby. there have been several mas slaughters in the States since we started this thread. In Europe - nothing. You are just a fraudsters pushing suspect stats and dubious links. IE Right wing trash.


Tommy....you once posted that you didn't have to worry about going to a store and getting shot......right?

Now you have to worry about that, and it is going to get worse...

A man has been rushed to hospital after being shot multiple times in broad daylight on a busy West London street - with a witness describing the harrowing moment they heard two bangs.

Emergency services were called to Dudden Hill Lane, Willesden, to reports of a man with gunshot injuries.



Panic and chaos has been caught on camera after a man was shot in a busy London street.

An altercation between two groups inside a Soho nightclub at around 3am on August 25, 2019, resulted in a man being stabbed.


 
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?

Which politician here is advocating for that?
And I have never heard anybody say that they wanted guns either. Your murder rates are horrific as are the figures for accidental shootings. This list includes every state in the US. Every one of them on pretty much every day. We just dont have that as part of our culture.



Mass shootings are not mass public shootings....gang members shooting each other don't effect normal people......you idiot...and that is the only way you can get the numbers you want...by including criminals shooting other criminals....

While you hide the mass murder by European governments, of unarmed, innocent civilians.....a number that is higher than 87 years of criminals murdering criminals here in the U.S......

10,235 gun murders in the U.S. in 2019....multiply that by 87 and you get 890,445 murders by gun over that 87 years.....over 70-80% of those murdered are criminals, voluntarily living the life of crime....and of the rest, the majority are friends and family of the criminals hit by mistake because they know the criminal....

Compare that to 1930-1945..... 15 years...

12 million innocent men, women and children murdered by your governments.......innocent people, not criminals....

You can mock that number all you want but unarmed people were murdered by the very government that told them....give up your guns and we will keep you safe.....and then they allowed them to be murdered by the socialists...and this doesn't even include the murder in the Balkans......

You have nothing on us....and your gun crime is going up.......you idiot...
Meanwhile in Europe we dont have thousands slaughtered every year. You cite millions killed but that is a nonsense argument put forward by the gun nut lobby. there have been several mas slaughters in the States since we started this thread. In Europe - nothing. You are just a fraudsters pushing suspect stats and dubious links. IE Right wing trash.


Tommy.....keep telling us you don't have to worry about guns in Britain....

Two teenagers have been rushed to hospital after being both shot and stabbed in North West London.

A third man, also sustained injuries at the scene in Kingsbury on Saturday, March 27, but did not require medical attention.


 
The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.

The French were the difference between the Allies winning and losing?
The French entered WWII? On what date?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries.

Cool story!
Can you show our median income vs. the median income of your "many industrial countries"?

Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.
We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.
We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.
We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.


Not entirely fair since income does not matter that much if you have things like free public heath care, reasonable housing, subsidized food, etc.

Unless the government is somehow creating those things out of thin air, you're paying for them out of your income via taxes.

We likely have more homelessness, unemployment, etc., than most countries.

Homelessness......maybe. Ending institutionalization wasn't such a good idea.
Unemployment...... what are you talking about?

We for sure have one of the highest incarceration rates in the world.

What are we supposed to do with our criminals?
Letting them run free wouldn't help most Americans live better.

We are not even very good at literacy, infant mortality, or life span.

Not like Cuba, eh?
You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France. Very happy population hardly any homeless, healthy individuals, great infrastructure, 5 to 6 weeks vacation a year, easy and cheaper access to higher education, no one goes bankrupt if they have to go to the hospital,

Dude the minute you exit the airport you see the contrast.

You probably haven't visited thr likes of Norway, Denmark, Germany, Japan and even France.

So what are their median incomes?
Maybe their after-tax incomes?

Very happy population

Smaller homes, fewer, smaller cars, lower standards of living.
Norway 51k
Denmark 43k
Germany 48k

Again it doesn't tell the whole story, most Europeans have better quality life than Americans. Thry rank better than Americans in education, health, happiness, life expectancy, etc...

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up. Houses in Tennessee and Ohio that go for 40 to 50k where most people live. As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Norway 51k

How much of their GDP is state owned oil?

Dude apart from some nice areas in big cities most homes in the US are old and beat up.

Lots of brand new homes in Norway, Denmark and Germany?

How does square footage compare?

As far as cars, you don't need it in Europe they have a good transportation systems.

Plus, gas is what, triple what we pay? More?
One of the biggest positives is that you can go to the shops without being shot and send your kids to school without them being slaughtered.

You focus on the material and that seems to be a conservative trait. Quality of life cannot be measured by just one metric.
Not in majority Muslim areas and remind us having your head hacked off is better then being shot.
Yes , the whole European experience can be summed up by one awful incident a decade ago. Can you dress yourself in the morning you fuckwit ?
one incident I guess all the attacks in France and Belgium and Germany never happened right? No no go zones in all European Countries right boob?
Name these no go zones ? I used to work in one that fox news described as such. The fact is that all of the countries you named are safer than the US. Stats dont lie but gun nuts do.


No, actually, they are not.......outside of democrat party controlled cities, the U.S. is as safe or safer than European countries, and the European countries are growing more and more dangerous each year.....as the 3rd world immigrants take control of organized crime.......

For England and Wales, we added together three crime categories: "violence against the person, with injury," "most serious sexual crime," and "robbery." This produced a rate of 775 violent crimes per 100,000 people.

For the United States, we used the FBI’s four standard categories for violent crime that Bier cited. We came up with a rate of 383 violent crimes per 100,000 people.




And when you talk about gun violence, the majority of gun murder victims...over 70-80% of the victims, are not normal Americans.....they are criminals, murdered by other criminals in democrat party controlled cities.....and of the rest, the vast majority of gun murder victims are the friends and family...and sadly children, of career criminals and gang members murdered when they are caught in the murder attempt on the actual criminal....

As John Nolte puts it over at Breitbart....in MAGA country, we have guns, we just don't have gun crime....but in blue states and blue cities, they have almost all of the gun murder.....

You don't understand America Tommy, and you will understand gun violence, it is coming to Britain and the rest of Europe...
I'm so glad I didn't grow up as a kid in thr US, we had 0 fear of getting kidnapped, shot or molested unlike most American kids....you won't know what I'm talking about, you grew up in a very Hostile and tough environment, that you need a gun to feel safe.

2015, there were 13 723 nonfatal and 2762 fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.1 Deaths from firearms now rank among the top 3 causes of death in the pediatric population.13 In previous research, it has been identified that male sex, nonwhite race, low median income, and older adolescent age are risk factors for sustaining both fatal and nonfatal firearm injuries2,410; these data, however, are largely driven by firearm assaults in urban settings. In 2 previous studies, it has been demonstrated that fatality rates due to firearms for urban and rural counties are essentially equivalent both in the overall population and specifically in children and adolescents.11,12 Rural and urban differences have been noted regarding the cause of injury or death, with suicide and unintentional firearm deaths occurring at a higher rate in rural counties and deaths from firearm homicide occurring at a higher rate in urban counties.11,12



See.......that link you have is bullshit....do you know why it is bullshit....?

This little bit right here....

fatal firearm injuries in children and adolescents <20 years of age in the United States.

At what point is a 15 year old gang member a regular child?

At what point is a 17,18,19 year old considered a "Child?"



They use the <20 because so few actual children die from accidental and gun murder....they have to use "under 20" so they can roll in the 15 year old gang members who are shooting each other on the orders of their gangs as part of that number.....you dumb asshole......

What is it with you gun grabbers...you always have to lie to push your agenda....

From Wisqars...the actual CDC data for children <1 to 14...I use this age range to exclude 15 year old gang members...of course, there are younger gang members shooting people, but this is a good start...

Out of 72 million children in the U.S....how many actual innocent children are murdered with guns?

For 2019....

269...

So tell us.....doofus....how does 269 out of 72 million children make guns a leading cause of death...?



Then we have accidental gun deaths of children by gun.....

51.


Again...how does 51 accidental gun deaths out of 72 million equal a leading cause of death...

You anti-gunners lie every time you post data because the actual data doesn't support anything you believe...

100 children a year die on their bicycles.........51 from gun accidents....

300 children die drowning......51 from gun accidents...

You are an idiot....
Lol thr whole entire US and thr world know that we have a gun issue, we thr ones that lived outside and the US tell you that, stats tell you that, the daily news tell you that but you are still in denial.

Just this past week along multiple mass shootings and dead people, criminals or not. Way too many dead people. .


You don't know what you are talking about...our issue isn't guns....since our gun murder rate went down 49% and our gun crime rate went down 75% as more Americans bought, owned and carried guns...

What you assholes don't understand is that the democrat party and it's policies drive our gun murder rate...the democrat party judges and prosecutors keep releasing violent gun offenders.....you idiot.
You don't know better. You are accustomed to fear, guns, paranoia you have 0 clue about how safe it is without the culture of gun it is in most countries. Dude kids in preschools have to do drills about an active shooter And you blaming the democrats ? Seriously?
Funny how the murder rate in the county I live has been ZERO for the past 10 years.

And like I said you have a 99.997% chance of NOT being murdered by a person using a gun if that .003% chance scares you then you really have a problem
Since I remember us overseas always shook our heads in disbelief about the amount of gun violence fast forward still the same tragedy...and we always said "they are idiots out there they still think is the wild wide west" I guess that saying is true and you don't care as long as its far from where you live.
I really don't care what other countries or the people who live in other countries think about the US.

And people in other countries don't seem to realize the wild west wasn't so wild and that most Americans have only ever seen a cowboy on a TV or movie screen.

And I'll admit that I really don't care about the crime in other places because unlike you I;m honest about it.

People that own guns legally are not the problem
I agree gun owners are not the problem, unless if there is a road rage, family, dispute, neighbour dispute, work dispute, school shootings and so much more. Most countries people don't get killed as easy because there are no guns or is super hard to get one.


1.1 million times a year Americans use their legal guns to stop rapes, robberies and murders.

In other countries, those victims just have to sit there and endure the rapes, robberies and murders.....

10,235 gun murders in U.S. in 2019.

0ver 70-80% of our gun murder victims aren't normal Americans...they are criminals engaged in criminal activity, in democrat party controlled cities and voting districts.

Of the rest of the victims, the majority are friends and family of the criminals who are hit when their criminal friend or family member is targeted for murder, in democrat party cities and voting districts.

So we don't have a gun problem, we have a criminal problem.

1.1 million rapes, robberies and murders are avoided with guns........... versus 10,235 gun murders, the majority of which are criminals......

If you aren't a criminal...

If you aren't the friend, family member or associate of a criminal

If you don't live with that criminal in a democrat party controlled city or voting district

Then the odds of you ever experiencing gun crime or murder are smaller than in Europe.....

We have lots of guns in MAGA states and cities...we just don't use them to commit murder or crime.

As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.
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A distinct pattern emerged: In Democratic regions of the country, which tend to be cities, people are more likely to be murdered with a gun than they are to shoot themselves to death.

In regions of the country won by Republicans, which tend to be rural areas and small towns, the opposite is true — people are more likely to shoot themselves to death than they are to be murdered with a gun.
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In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...prising-way-gun-violence-is-dividing-america/
Pohahahaha
Keep convincing yourself.
With guns America has one of the highest rates of rape, theft, homicides, mass shootings.
You are numb to it all because you've lived in a Hostile aggressive culture, you don't know better.
9 lives were easily taken because even the weakest MOFO out there can kill as many as he wishes. It doesn't happen in most countries simply because people can't obtain guns.

Keep the body count.

Did you know that Australia with its restrictive gun laws has a higher rape rate than the US?

Guns don't cause rape.
Did you know that the US has 100s of millions of guns but yet have one of the highest rates of rape and thousands of gun deaths ?
So what?

Guns don't cause crime

People do
Guns make criminals and no criminals more lethal, hence more fatalities.
And not all people are criminals.

Do you want any of your rights taken away because someone else commits a crime?

I don't see why it's so hard for you to understand that you don't punish everyone for the crimes of a fraction of a percent of the population.
Rights? Lol have you ever isited or lived in gun free countries? Not only people aren't dying by thousands like here, but guess what ? They are free too.
You're not free to protect yourself with the best tool for self defense.

But maybe you like the idea of being punished for the crimes other people commit.
And yet not one politician or party has ever advocated for a wild west society like the US. Why would that be ?


Because they don't want you to be able to stop them.

Your governments handed over your citizens to the German Socialists, who then murdered them..........

More people were murdered by European governments in that 15 year period....12 million innocent men, women and children......innocent people who had committed no crime.....than all of the victims of gun murder in the U.S. in 87 years.......and the victims of gun murder in the U.S. are over 70-80% all criminals........people who chose to be criminals and were murdered by other criminals engaging in criminal activity...

And of the rest of the gun murder victims in the U.S., the majority of them are friends, family and associates of criminals......hit by mistake when the criminal they knew was the target....in democrat party controlled voting districts...

In the U.S....

If you aren't a criminal...

If you are not the friend, family member or associate of a criminal....

If you don't live in a democrat party voting district....

Your odds of getting shot, shot and murdered are almost 0.


Meanwhile.....European crimnals are now getting and using guns, more and more....so your ability to look down your nose at us is coming to an end........fully automatic military rifles and grenades are the weapon of choice among European criminals....and they don't fear or respect your police....
Not one politician in any party at any time wants the country to look like the killing fields of America. We look at you with pity.
No, you stupid motherfuckers want your country to look like the killing fields in Cambodia.

:rolleyes:


 
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