"Mummy my tummy hurts" - How guns keep you safe.

[2aguy]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
=============

How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

2a is a master of the cut n paste from barrel stroker sites

Yes....the typical response from shitheads like you....

I make a statement of fact, you say prove it....I prove it, over whelmingly with more facts and information, now you say...."Cut and Paste, Cut and Paste,"


You left wing assholes never change....

So if I shoot a wolf on my farm, is that an instance of “defensive use”?
How about if I THINK I screerd off a bump in the night when ah say “hey you, ahhve got me a gun!”

The Department of Justice research paper...

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

 

[DrLove]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
=============

How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

============

A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
========

Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

 

[2aguy]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
=============

How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

They are defined in the actual research papers.......you dumb shit...

Here...shithead....first Kleck...

The present survey is the first survey ever devoted to the subject of armed self-defense. It was carefully designed to correct all of the known correctable or avoidable flaws of previous surveys which critics have identified. We use the most anonymous possible national survey format, the anonymous random digit dialed telephone survey. We did not know the identities of those who were interviewed, and made this fact clear to the Rs. We interviewed a large nationally representative sample covering all adults, age eighteen and over, in the lower forty-eight states and living in households with telephones.[42] We asked DGU questions of all Rs in our sample, asking them separately about both their own DGU experiences and those of other members of their households. We used both a five year recall period and a one year recall period. We inquired about uses of both handguns and other types of guns, and excluded occupational uses of guns and uses against animals. Finally, we asked a long series of detailed questions designed to establish exactly what Rs did with their guns; for example, if they had confronted other humans, and how had each DGU connected to a specific crime or crimes.

We consulted with North America's most experienced experts on gun-related surveys, David Bordua, James Wright, and Gary Mauser, along with survey expert Seymour Sudman, in order to craft a state-of-the-art survey instrument designed specifically to establish the frequency and nature of DGUs.[43] A professional telephone polling firm, Research Network of Tallahassee, Florida, carried out the sampling and interviewing. Only the firm's most experienced interviewers, who are listed in the acknowledgements, were used on the project. Interviews were monitored at random by survey supervisors. All interviews in which an alleged DGU was reported by the R were validated by supervisors with call-backs, along with a 20% random sample of all other interviews. Of all eligible residential telephone numbers called where a person rather than an answering machine answered, 61% resulted in a completed interview. Interviewing was carried out from February through April of 1993.

The quality of sampling procedures was well above the level common in national surveys. Our sample was not only large and nationally representative, but it was also stratified by state. That is, forty-eight independent samples of residential telephone numbers were drawn, one from each of the lower forty-eight states, providing forty-eight independent, albeit often small, state samples. Given the nature of randomly generated samples of telephone numbers, there was no clustering of cases or multistage sampling as there is in the NCVS;[44] consequently, there was no inflation of sampling error due to such procedures. To gain a larger raw number of sample DGU cases, we over sampled in the south and west regions, where previous surveys have indicated gun ownership is higher.[45] We also over sampled within contacted households for males, who are more likely to own guns and to be victims of crimes in which victims might use guns defensively.[46] Data were later weighted to adjust for over sampling.

Each interview began with a few general "throat-clearing" questions about problems facing the R's community and crime. The interviewers then asked the following question: "Within the past five years, have you yourself or another member of your household used a gun, even if it was not fired, for self-protection or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere? Please do not include military service, police work, or work as a security guard." Rs who answered "yes" were then asked: "Was this to protect against an animal or a person?" Rs who reported a DGU against a person were asked: "How many incidents involving defensive uses of guns against persons happened to members of your household in the past five years?" and "Did this incident [any of these incidents] happen in the past twelve months?" At this point, Rs were asked "Was it you who used a gun defensively, or did someone else in your household do this?"

All Rs reporting a DGU were asked a long, detailed series of questions establishing exactly what happened in the DGU incident. Rs who reported having experienced more than one DGU in the previous five years were asked about their most recent experience. When the original R was the one who had used a gun defensively, as was usually the case, interviewers obtained his or her firsthand account of the event. When the original R indicated that some other member of the household was the one who had the, experience, interviewers made every effort to speak directly to the involved person, either speaking to that person immediately or obtaining times and dates to call back. Up to three call-backs were made to contact the DGU-involved person. We anticipated that it would sometimes prove impossible to make contact with these persons, so interviewers were instructed to always obtain a proxy account of the DGU from the original R, on the assumption that a proxy account would be better than none at all. It was rarely necessary to rely on these proxy accounts--only six sample cases of DGUs were reported through proxies, out of a total of 222 sample cases.

While all Rs reporting a DGU were given the full interview, only a one-third random sample of Rs not reporting a DGU were interviewed. The rest were simply thanked for their help. This procedure helped keep interviewing costs down. In the end, there were 222 completed interviews with Rs reporting DGUs, another 1,610 Rs not reporting a DGU but going through the full interview by answering questions other than those pertaining to details of the DGUs. There were a total of 1,832 cases with the full interview. An additional 3,145 Rs answered only enough questions to establish that no one in their household had experienced a DGU against a human in the previous five years (unweighted totals). These procedures effectively under-sampled for non-DGU Rs or, equivalently, over sampled for DGU-involved Rs. Data were also weighted to account for this over sampling.

Questions about the details of DGU incidents permitted us to establish whether a given DGU met all of the following qualifications for an incident to be treated as a genuine DGU: (1) the incident involved defensive action against a human rather than an animal, but not in connection with police, military, or security guard duties; (2) the incident involved actual contact with a person, rather than merely investigating suspicious circumstances, etc.; (3) the defender could state a specific crime which he thought was being committed at the time of the incident; (4) the gun was actually used in some way--at a minimum it had to be used as part of a threat against a person, either by verbally referring to the gun (e.g., "get away--I've got a gun") or by pointing it at an adversary. We made no effort to assess either the lawfulness or morality of the Rs' defensive actions.

An additional step was taken to minimize the possibility of DGU frequency being overstated. The senior author went through interview sheets on every one of the interviews in which a DGU was reported, looking for any indication that the incident might not be genuine. A case would be coded as questionable if even just one of four problems appeared: (1) it was not clear whether the R actually confronted any adversary he saw; (2) the R was a police officer, member of the military or a security guard, and thus might have been reporting, despite instructions, an incident which occurred as part of his occupational duties; (3) the interviewer did not properly record exactly what the R had done with the gun, so it was possible that he had not used it in any meaningful way; or (4) the R did not state or the interviewer did not record a specific crime that the R thought was being committed against him at the time of the incident. There were a total of twenty-six cases where at least one of these problematic indications was present. It should be emphasized that we do not know that these cases were not genuine DGUs; we only mean to indicate that we do not have as high a degree of confidence on the matter as with the rest of the cases designated as DGUs. Estimates using all of the DGU cases are labelled herein as "A" estimates, while the more conservative estimates based only on cases devoid of any problematic indications are labelled "B" estimates.



2. Results
Table 2 displays a large number of estimates of how often guns are used defensively. These estimates are not inconsistent with each other; they each measure different things in different ways. Some estimates are based only on incidents which Rs reported as occurring in the twelve months preceding the interview, while others are based on incidents reported for the preceding five years. Both telescoping and recall failure should be lower with a one year recall period, so estimates derived from this period should be superior to those based on the longer recall period. Some estimates are based only on incidents which Rs reported as involving themselves, (person-based estimates), while others were based on all incidents which Rs reported as involving anyone in their household (household-based estimates). The person-based estimates should be better because of its first-hand character. Finally, some of the figures pertain only to DGUS involving use of handguns, while others pertain to DGUS involving any type of gun.

Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun

Gary Kleck's National Self-Defense Survey

guncite.com

Boom - I was right, you fail

at a minimum it had to be used as part of a threat against a person, either by verbally referring to the gun (e.g., "get away--I've got a gun")

What do you mean "Fail."

Look.....you are obviously mixing your booze and your medications again....and you should immediately call the nurse on your floor.......

 

[2aguy]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
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How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

============

A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
========

Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Gosh looky what a warm and brotherly society we created by making diversity a top priority !!!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Are you on crack?

Gee whiz, what the **** you Democrat assholes dealing now? Crack to come down off marijuana? Cup of coffee to sober up from a six-pack of beer?

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried, kid. But keep flailing, boy, it's amusing.

Stop smoking that dried horse shit, it rots your brain.

 

[DrLove]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
=============

How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

============

A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
========

Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year?

 

[2aguy]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
=============

How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

============

A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
========

Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year?

Tommy made a challenge.....I posted a response that showed once again that he, like you and the other anti-gun extremists have no rational arguments for what you believe.

 

[DrLove]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
========
What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
=============

How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

Are you really this dumb...I gave you 17 studies...obama's CDC reviewed all of the gun research......you idiot.....

Cool, but you’ve yet to define an instance of “defensive use” ... You clown

And the Department of Justice research under bill clinton....conducted by two, rabid, anti-gunners...

The NSPOF survey is quite similar to the Kleck and Gertz instrument and provides a basis for replicating their estimate.

Each of the respondents in the NSPOF was asked the question, "Within the past 12 months, have you yourself used a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or someone else, or for the protection of property at home, work, or elsewhere?"

Answers in the affirmative were followed with "How many different times did you use a gun, even if it was not fired, to protect yourself or property in the past 12 months?" Negative answers to the first DGU question were followed by "Have you ever used a gun to defend yourself or someone else?" (emphasis in original).

Each respondent who answered yes to either of these DGU questions was asked a sequence of 30 additional questions concerning the most recent defensive gun use in which the respondent was involved, including the respondent's actions with the gun, the location and other circumstances of the incident, and the respondent's relationship to the perpetrator. Forty-five respondents reported a defensive gun use in 1994 against a person (exhibit 7).

Given the sampling weights, these respondents constitute 1.6 percent of the sample and represent 3.1 million adults.

============

A somewhat more conservative NSPOF estimate is shown in the column of exhibit 7 that reflects the application of the criteria used by Kleck and Gertz to identify "genuine" defensive gun uses.

Respondents were excluded on the basis of the most recent DGU description for any of the following reasons: the respondent did not see a perpetrator; the respondent could not state a specific crime that was involved in the incident; or the respondent did not actually display the gun or mention it to the perpetrator.

Applying those restrictions leaves 19 NSPOF respondents (0.8 percent of the sample), representing 1.5 million defensive users.

This estimate is directly comparable to the well-known estimate of Kleck and Gertz, shown in the last column of exhibit 7. While the NSPOF estimate is smaller, it is statistically plausible that the difference is due to sampling error.
========

Some troubling comparisons.

If the DGU numbers are in the right ballpark, millions of attempted assaults, thefts, and break-ins were foiled by armed citizens during the 12- month period. According to these results, guns are used far more often to defend against crime than to perpetrate crime. (Firearms were used by perpetrators in 1.07 million incidents of violent crime in 1994, according to NCVS data.)

https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles/165476.pdf

Bla Bla ******* BLAAAAAH

You have been shown to be an idiot....I have backed up everything I posted, even as you hurt your back moving the goal posts every single time...

You are an idiot...you have no rational reason for anything you believe...

But thanks....I needed to consolidate some of this info. and your stupid posts gave me a reason to do it...

OR perhaps I’ve seen one too many of your 12,000 word cut n pastes?
Yes indeed - consolidate in order to have more barrel stoking c&p’s for immediate regurgitation!
One in 200 Americans thwarts a crime or defends themself with a gun each year?

Tommy made a challenge.....I posted a response that showed once again that he, like you and the other anti-gun extremists have no rational arguments for what you believe.

I’m a gun owner loony bird. This makes me an “anti-gun extremist”
You shot your street cred in the foot f’n YEARS ago.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You know its over when you go nazi.

And yet, you never get it, even in this thread where you invoked that very principle.

 

[Correll]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

This will be even harder for them, because, as white people living in la, they had to consider leaving the third world shit hole that is California, and for whatever reason, they convinced themselves that it would be ok.


I hope, for their sake, that they did not decide to stay, because of some stupid leftard belief that diversity is any kind of positive.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

We are not subject, like you.

Most developed countries have a better life quality than most Americans, more educated, healthier, higher life expectancy rates....less crimes and homicides. How did owning a gun make you better than them again ?

I agree. You should get your ******* ass the **** out of here. Freedom of travel is your friend. Get the **** out.

 

[freyasman]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
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Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
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How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

You guys are getting your asses destroyed here..... you should probably shut up now.



Just saying

 

[Issa]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

We are not subject, like you.

Most developed countries have a better life quality than most Americans, more educated, healthier, higher life expectancy rates....less crimes and homicides. How did owning a gun make you better than them again ?

so why did you pick here to live if we are so low on the list?...

I fall under the top 10% most Americans have a low quality life compared to the countries I mentioned.

 

[evenflow1969]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

No, shithead....what is wrong with that individual?

600 million guns in private hands, over 19.4 milion Americans can and do legally carry their guns in public.

Each year, on average, Americans use their legal guns 1.1 million times a year to save lives from rape, robbery and murder, according to the Centers for Disease Control research.....

And the individual who did this....likely a criminal with a long history of crime and violence, with a long history of democrat party judges and prosecutors allowing them to go free over and over again, even with gun crimes on their record...

Again...what is wrong with this individual that isn't wrong with the other owners of 600 million guns, and over 19.4 million Americans who carry their guns in public and don't shoot anyone...

And what is good with the 1.1 million Americans who use their guns each year to stop rapes, robberies and murders....

Tommy...you need help.

Lol don't know much about Orange county do you. Hilarious. While I agree with the right to bear arms your attempt at blaming all crime on democrats is juvenile and quite frankly stupid. That had happened to me the idiot who fired into my car would have gotten return fire.

 

[Issa]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

We are not subject, like you.

Most developed countries have a better life quality than most Americans, more educated, healthier, higher life expectancy rates....less crimes and homicides. How did owning a gun make you better than them again ?

I agree. You should get your ******* ass the **** out of here. Freedom of travel is your friend. Get the **** out.

Butt hurt? Stated facts, you got better ones ?

 

[DrLove]

A six-year-old boy was tragically shot and killed in a suspected road rage attack after his mother gave another driver the finger.


Shame on Mom for having road rage.

May her son RIP.

Valid point. Bad idea to flip people off.

Its something that we can do over here. And go home afterwards.

But you don't get to compensate for having a small penis by carrying a gun around with you.

Its a cross we have to bear. Being able to leave the house and come home afterwards is some compensation but there is still that gap in my life.

Except the women of London...right? Your muslim mayor in London stated that London is not safe for women or girls......

No big city is safe for unaccompanied women or girls after dark unless there are a lot of people out.

Wrong...we are told Britain is safer because they banned and confiscated guns.....

Women and girls are not safe in London....the capitol of this gun free paradise....

These American women were safer because they had guns....

Lancaster Woman Scares Off Bat-Wielding Attackers By Pulling Gun On Them

LANCASTER, Ohio - It happened along a walking path in Lancaster.

Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she'd only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Based on what happened, it looks like she'll make a point of carrying from now on.

"I think if they'd gotten any closer, I probably would have fired,” said Burns.

It was Monday when Burns was on a footpath near Sanderson Elementary School.

"Two gentlemen came out of the woods, one holding a baseball bat, and said 'You're coming with us'."

The men weren't deterred by Dinah's dog Gracie.

"I said, 'Well, what do you want?,' and as I was saying that I reached in to my pocket and slipped my gun out, slipped the safety off as I pulled it out. As I was doing that the other gentleman came toward me and raised the baseball bat. And, I pointed the gun at them and said, 'I have this and I'm not afraid to use it.'"

The men took off and so far have eluded police. Dinah posted about the incident on Facebook to alert friends and neighbors, to criticism by some.

"Most of the males' opinion was, 'Why didn't you shoot them?'"

Easy to second-guess a decision made under pressure, based on her concealed carry training, and police agree.

"To get out of a situation, back out, get out of it as much as you can without having to discharge your firearm."

"I will say it's a good thing to go from a place of danger to a place of safety, however you get that done,” said Sgt. Matt Chambers, Lancaster Police.

"Very thankful that it turned out the way it did, and hope it doesn't happen again, but I will be prepared."
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What I want you to know on Gun Violence Awareness Day | Fox News

I correctly listened to my instincts; I had a feeling that my life was in danger in that elevator and prepared myself mentally for what was potentially to come.

I ran to my car in an attempt to escape and, before I could even get my entire body in my car, I was tackled by my attacker.

This man quickly overpowered me, stabbed at me with a knife, clamped his hand over my mouth multiple times, and repeatedly tried forcing me in the passenger seat of my car while telling me, “We’re going.”

The entire time this was happening, a rusted, serrated knife was being stabbed towards my abdomen and held at my face.

I had been hit in the face, thrown over my driver’s side console, and had rips in my tights from his hands trying to force my legs up and over into the passenger seat.

There are some individuals that think gun owners are “trigger happy” and wanting to pull their weapons out at the first opportunity. There is nothing further from the truth.

The night I was attacked, I fought like hell for my life before reaching for my gun. I kicked, I screamed, I had all ten fingernails ripped off and bloodied from scratching and trying to fight my way out of a literal life and death situation.
Ultimately, I accessed my gun, shot my attacker multiple times, and saved my life. He will be spending years in prison for what he did to me.

Using a gun in self-protection is not a decision one makes lightly; in fact, I never dreamed that I would be forced into a situation where I would have to do so. However, I also never imagined such evil existing in the world so that I would be powerless, wounded, on my back and unable to physically force my attacker off of me.

I owned a gun and had been trained on how to use it. I know how to safely carry and that a gun is a serious and significant weapon; it is not to be used carelessly. Naysayers and people with opposing opinions may try to undermine my situation with hypotheticals. I cannot answer these questions. All I can do is tell the facts of my story and the true account of how I saved my own life.

What I want you to know on Gun Awareness Day is that a gun in the hands of a potential victim is not improperly placed; it can be the only thing keeping her from being brutally raped and murdered.

Without my gun, I would not be alive today.


Guns are not the problem in America; men like my attacker -- who are willing to violently change one person’s life for no reason except for pure evil – are the problem.

Be safe at all times. Be aware of your surroundings. Trust your instincts. Always be able to protect yourself. Refuse to be a victim, and instead be a fighter and a survivor. Live to tell your tale and make a criminal regret the day he chose you as a “soft target.” My gun saved my life, and one could save yours too.
===============

Waking up to an armed intruder in your house would be any home owner’s worst nightmare. If you’re a single mother with two young kids in the house, finding a man wielding a machete in your bedroom closet immediately kicks you into “momma bear” mode.

That’s what happened to a California woman who woke up to the sound of a man rummaging through her walk-in closet. The thief — Ocean Burger (his name, not a restaurant) — was armed with a number of knives and a machete when the un-named woman grabbed a handgun and confronted him.

From ksbw.com . . .


[Investigators] say Burger ignored orders to leave and when the homeowner fired several warning shots he allegedly advanced towards her, that’s when the mother fired at the accused burglar hitting him in the leg. And California law may be on her side.

Warning shots are never a good idea and could even put you in legal jeopardy in many jurisdictions. In this case, they not only wasted perfectly good (and expensive) ammunition, but probably led Burger to believe she wasn’t serious about actually shooting him.

After advancing on the woman, the round in his leg apparently convinced Burger that he was wrong.

The good news is California actually has a castle doctrine law on the books. The woman had no duty to retreat and was legally justified in using deadly force to defend herself and her children.

“There is a presumption that favors the homeowner they’re presumed that the person is in imminent fear of either death or great bodily injury,” said Ellen Campos, assistant district attorney for San Benito county. …

California Woman Shoots Machete-Wielding Burglar She Found in Her Closet - The Truth About Guns
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How did guns keep this child safe ?

At that moment, they didn't.......

How did guns keep 1.1 million Americans who used their legal guns to stop rape, robbery and murder, safe?

The question you don't ask, is why this individual chose to fire that weapon. There are 600 million guns in private hands in the U.S....over 19.5 million Americans can legally carry guns in public for self defense...

They did not shoot their guns at anyone....

The problem isn't having a gun, the problem is whatever created this individual.

We have the democrat party. When our police catch violent gun criminals, democrat party judges and prosecutors let them out of jail and prison over and ovre again...it is these individuals doing over 95% of our gun crime and gun murder...

The question should be, why are they releasing the criminals who actually do shootings like this instead of keeping them in jail.

Don't worry tommy...your country is entering this stage of crime....you will have to deal with it yourselves..

Link us to your 1.1 mil claim please - Studies by your beloved (and corrupt) NRA or other barrel stoker sites unacceptable

so does he have to use your anti gun sites?...

Nope, just a source to prove he didn’t pull 1.1 million butt nuggets out of his prodigious ass.
You got one?

your the one who said that to him not me...apparently you dont have better source either do you?...

No one can disprove an ass nugget Harry my boy.
Up to him to back up those with FACTS.
1.1m?

to him he did back them up.....its up to you to disprove his "facts".....

Vagabond63 has debunked his figures many time on here Harry. he will be along at some point to do it again.

No, he hasn't....he says ..."I debunk thy numbers...." and then goes away.......I have shown the research from the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, two anti-gun government agencies....

Your figures are 50 years old in some cases and cant be verified anyway.I cant be arsed going over it with you.

The main research was done in the 90s by Gary Kleck, followed by the Centers for Disease Control, and the Department of Justice, under orders by bill clinton to disprove Kleck's research.......and they couldn't...

And at the time in the 90s there were 200 million guns in private hands and only 4.7 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...

Now?

There are 600 million guns and over 19.4 million Americans carrying guns in public for self defense...so tell us how the defensive gun use numbers from the 90s went down as more Americans were able to protect themselves......go ahead, we'll be over here laughing at you...
Yes.....actual research, with obama telling the CDC to go through all gun research in 2013....and coming up with 500,000-3 million defensive gun uses...


You guys can't hide the research....

So somewhere between 500,000 and three million?

You guys are getting your asses destroyed here..... you should probably shut up now.



Just saying

 

[Issa]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

We are not subject, like you.

Most developed countries have a better life quality than most Americans, more educated, healthier, higher life expectancy rates....less crimes and homicides. How did owning a gun make you better than them again ?

Well...you mean after World War 1 and World War 2...when we went over to Europe with guns to save them.......or after the Europeans gave up their guns, then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed men, women and children?

And now, as the United States protects Europe with our blood and money...our military keeps Russia from taking over the continent, and keeps German from invading it's neighbors.....so that Europeans can live in their welfare states as we protect them, and provide their advanced medical technology and all of their real technological innovation....

Do you mean that......?

If the Europeans actually had to pay their own way.....have their young men and women serve in their militaries, pay for their militaries.....and actually work for a living....maybe they wouldn't have time to feel superior to the U.S....


Meanwhile, our citizens use our legal guns to save lives every single year....1.1 million times a year our citizens use their legal guns to stop rape, robberies and murders...

And, shithead.......Europe is not the Europe it used to be....3rd world immigrant drug gangs are using fully automatic miltary rifles and grenades to enforce their drug trade....

So violence is coming to Europe.....

The US was liberated by thr help of France. If they didn't enter world War 2 you would also be speaking German now.
Thr US ouldnt even defeat the poor Vietnamese you think thry could've defeated the Germans or the soviets solo?

Dude I love this country and I would fight for it, but most Americans live worse than their counter parts in many industrial countries. What did the gun ownership do to make their lives better ?
They still get killed by the thousands, kids have to learn how to escape a mass shooting ? Fascinating isn't it ?

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

Tommy. This is in South LA. One of the worst shit holes in America known to man. This is MAXINES DISTRICT I BELIEVE. Why don't you write to that Neanderthal and tell her.Oh wait..She lives in a 5 million dollar spread not even near her district.......................LOLOL

LA used to be such a nice place. Destroyed by libturdism.

it happened in the city of Orange in Orange County.....not LA.......

Orange county isn't what it used to be. The people are getting more and more violent. And, expecting punishment less and less.

what does that have to do with what i said?....did this happen in LA like sloop said it did?....

No. But parts of Orange County are as bad as LA.

i lived there for 50 years and i dont agree with that.....

Take a closer look at Anaheim and Santa Ana. SA has gotten gang infested. Where I am is fine because no blacks or hispanics live here. We have whites and Asians.

 

[Issa]

Boy, 6, shot and killed after mum gave another driver the finger on school-run

Aiden Leos was sitting in the back of his family car when he was shot and killed as a result of what is believed to be a road rage attack

www.mirror.co.uk

Its almost impossible to process this incident. What is wrong with you people ?

We are not subject, like you.

Most developed countries have a better life quality than most Americans, more educated, healthier, higher life expectancy rates....less crimes and homicides. How did owning a gun make you better than them again ?

Well...you mean after World War 1 and World War 2...when we went over to Europe with guns to save them.......or after the Europeans gave up their guns, then the German socialists murdered 12 million unarmed men, women and children?

And now, as the United States protects Europe with our blood and money...our military keeps Russia from taking over the continent, and keeps German from invading it's neighbors.....so that Europeans can live in their welfare states as we protect them, and provide their advanced medical technology and all of their real technological innovation....

Do you mean that......?

If the Europeans actually had to pay their own way.....have their young men and women serve in their militaries, pay for their militaries.....and actually work for a living....maybe they wouldn't have time to feel superior to the U.S....


Meanwhile, our citizens use our legal guns to save lives every single year....1.1 million times a year our citizens use their legal guns to stop rape, robberies and murders...

And, shithead.......Europe is not the Europe it used to be....3rd world immigrant drug gangs are using fully automatic miltary rifles and grenades to enforce their drug trade....

So violence is coming to Europe.....

You know its over when you go nazi.

ohhh we have a badass here...... does your tummy hurts Tummy? I mean Abdul? whatever your name is?

No Karen, I'm cool. How is the KKK meeting?