Mueller's Decade+ Old Crime Trial Soon To Begin

[basquebromance]

Carter Page, Wilbur Ross, Roger Stone, they're all connected by The Russia Swamp and they want to lift those sanctions so that Exxon can drill in the Arctic.

well, i'm watching 1 year old Maxine Waters interviews and that's about what i understood from it

 

[easyt65]

Patience grasshopper. He will.

When a man is tasked to find a current crime and goes back more than 10 years to investigate someone else that is a sign the investigator has nothing.

Mueller is hoping Manafort will give him something he does not have...something you don't have - evidence of a crime.

Let me know when you have some evidence....

 

[bripat9643]

Trump hasn't broken any laws.

How do you know this, Miss Cleo? Do tell.

Where's the evidence, shit for brains?

 

[bripat9643]

Mueller has nothing on Trump,

ANTOHER graduate of the Miss Cleo school of Clairvoyance!

We are truly blessed to be in the company so many magical people.

The clairvoyants are all the imbeciles saying Mueller is going to get Trump on something based on absolutely nothing.

 

[Seawytch]

Charged with investigating possible illegal Trump collusion with Russians and / it Russian interference in the 2016 election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller instead went back more than a decade - to before Obama was elected - to find a crime.

While the country was rocked with tales of illegal collusion with Russians, the trial Mueller brings to court has nothing to do with President Trump, has nothing to do with 'illegal Russian collusion', and has nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential election.

Instead we are forced to endure a case whose purpose is to try to get the indicted to agree to give the Special Counsel something he has desperately looked for but does not have - EVIDENCE of anything he can use to take down the President.


Showdown in Virginia: Manafort fraud trial set to kick off in first Mueller probe prosecution

"Neither the Virginia trial nor Manafort's separate upcoming trial in Washington, D.C., directly relates to any alleged collusion between Trump officials and the Russian government, or purported Russian disinformation campaigns -- a fact that led to a tense courtroom showdown just months ago.

The judge in the case, T.S. Ellis III, harshly rebuked members of Mueller's team in a preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president."

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

 

[Vastator]

Charged with investigating possible illegal Trump collusion with Russians and / it Russian interference in the 2016 election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller instead went back more than a decade - to before Obama was elected - to find a crime.

While the country was rocked with tales of illegal collusion with Russians, the trial Mueller brings to court has nothing to do with President Trump, has nothing to do with 'illegal Russian collusion', and has nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential election.

Instead we are forced to endure a case whose purpose is to try to get the indicted to agree to give the Special Counsel something he has desperately looked for but does not have - EVIDENCE of anything he can use to take down the President.


Showdown in Virginia: Manafort fraud trial set to kick off in first Mueller probe prosecution

"Neither the Virginia trial nor Manafort's separate upcoming trial in Washington, D.C., directly relates to any alleged collusion between Trump officials and the Russian government, or purported Russian disinformation campaigns -- a fact that led to a tense courtroom showdown just months ago.

The judge in the case, T.S. Ellis III, harshly rebuked members of Mueller's team in a preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president."

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Did Mueller find evidence of a murder?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The Trump sheep are getting a bit jittery these days


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[Seawytch]

Charged with investigating possible illegal Trump collusion with Russians and / it Russian interference in the 2016 election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller instead went back more than a decade - to before Obama was elected - to find a crime.

While the country was rocked with tales of illegal collusion with Russians, the trial Mueller brings to court has nothing to do with President Trump, has nothing to do with 'illegal Russian collusion', and has nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential election.

Instead we are forced to endure a case whose purpose is to try to get the indicted to agree to give the Special Counsel something he has desperately looked for but does not have - EVIDENCE of anything he can use to take down the President.


Showdown in Virginia: Manafort fraud trial set to kick off in first Mueller probe prosecution

"Neither the Virginia trial nor Manafort's separate upcoming trial in Washington, D.C., directly relates to any alleged collusion between Trump officials and the Russian government, or purported Russian disinformation campaigns -- a fact that led to a tense courtroom showdown just months ago.

The judge in the case, T.S. Ellis III, harshly rebuked members of Mueller's team in a preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president."

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Did Mueller find evidence of a murder?

a·nal·o·gy
əˈnaləjē/
noun

1. a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
   "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
   • a correspondence or partial similarity.
     "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
   • a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.
     "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

 

[Seawytch]

The Trump sheep are getting a bit jittery these days


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Not as jittery as the Shepherd...have you seen his Mueller tweets? Target is getting buggy.

 

[easyt65]

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Let's go with your analogy....

A Detective should NOT be asked to investigate a crime that never happened, a made-up crime when no evidence even exists suggesting there was a crime.

That being said....

If this detective is asked to solve a robbery that just happened 'involving SUSPECT 1' - a robbery where there is no evidence a robbery even took place involving SUPECT 1, the detective should not be investigating the entire past history of the friend of Suspect 1 in an attempt to find ANY crime that has nothing to do with the supposed robbery.

And during the course of his investigation, the Detective should NOT completely ignore the undeniable evidence of crimes he finds, evidence that reveals his own Pals on the Police Force and in the local government broke the law....but that is exactly what Detective MUELLER has done.

Mueller continues to look for the non-existent evidence of the non-existent crime of Illegal Collusion by the President while refusing to acknowledge the real, tangible, undeniable evidence of crimes committed by hit fellow Deep State Obama Administration Co-Conspirators...while he continues to break the law himself.

 

[Vastator]

Charged with investigating possible illegal Trump collusion with Russians and / it Russian interference in the 2016 election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller instead went back more than a decade - to before Obama was elected - to find a crime.

While the country was rocked with tales of illegal collusion with Russians, the trial Mueller brings to court has nothing to do with President Trump, has nothing to do with 'illegal Russian collusion', and has nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential election.

Instead we are forced to endure a case whose purpose is to try to get the indicted to agree to give the Special Counsel something he has desperately looked for but does not have - EVIDENCE of anything he can use to take down the President.


Showdown in Virginia: Manafort fraud trial set to kick off in first Mueller probe prosecution

"Neither the Virginia trial nor Manafort's separate upcoming trial in Washington, D.C., directly relates to any alleged collusion between Trump officials and the Russian government, or purported Russian disinformation campaigns -- a fact that led to a tense courtroom showdown just months ago.

The judge in the case, T.S. Ellis III, harshly rebuked members of Mueller's team in a preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president."

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Did Mueller find evidence of a murder?

a·nal·o·gy
əˈnaləjē/
noun

1. a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
   "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
   • a correspondence or partial similarity.
     "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
   • a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.
     "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

A murder is not analogous to any of the charges associated with this case.

 

[Geaux4it]

Charged with investigating possible illegal Trump collusion with Russians and / it Russian interference in the 2016 election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller instead went back more than a decade - to before Obama was elected - to find a crime.

While the country was rocked with tales of illegal collusion with Russians, the trial Mueller brings to court has nothing to do with President Trump, has nothing to do with 'illegal Russian collusion', and has nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential election.

Instead we are forced to endure a case whose purpose is to try to get the indicted to agree to give the Special Counsel something he has desperately looked for but does not have - EVIDENCE of anything he can use to take down the President.


Showdown in Virginia: Manafort fraud trial set to kick off in first Mueller probe prosecution

"Neither the Virginia trial nor Manafort's separate upcoming trial in Washington, D.C., directly relates to any alleged collusion between Trump officials and the Russian government, or purported Russian disinformation campaigns -- a fact that led to a tense courtroom showdown just months ago.

The judge in the case, T.S. Ellis III, harshly rebuked members of Mueller's team in a preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president."

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Does the same apply to illegals breaking the law by entering our country illegally?

Throw them in solitary confinement

-Geaux

 

[Seawytch]

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Let's go with your analogy....

A Detective should NOT be asked to investigate a crime that never happened, a made-up crime when no evidence even exists suggesting there was a crime.

That being said....

If this detective is asked to solve a robbery that just happened 'involving SUSPECT 1' - a robbery where there is no evidence a robbery even took place involving SUPECT 1, the detective should not be investigating the entire past history of the friend of Suspect 1 in an attempt to find ANY crime that has nothing to do with the supposed robbery.

And during the course of his investigation, the Detective should NOT completely ignore the undeniable evidence of crimes he finds, evidence that reveals his own Pals on the Police Force and in the local government broke the law....but that is exactly what Detective MUELLER has done.

Mueller continues to look for the non-existent evidence of the non-existent crime of Illegal Collusion by the President while refusing to acknowledge the real, tangible, undeniable evidence of crimes committed by hit fellow Deep State Obama Administration Co-Conspirators...while he continues to break the law himself.

The problem with your tirade? The investigation is into Russian interference in our Election. That happened. During the investigation into that crime, the investigators turned up evidence of other wrongdoing. Fortunately, the Special Counsel was empowered to pursue any other crimes they encountered along the way.

 

[Seawytch]

Charged with investigating possible illegal Trump collusion with Russians and / it Russian interference in the 2016 election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller instead went back more than a decade - to before Obama was elected - to find a crime.

While the country was rocked with tales of illegal collusion with Russians, the trial Mueller brings to court has nothing to do with President Trump, has nothing to do with 'illegal Russian collusion', and has nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential election.

Instead we are forced to endure a case whose purpose is to try to get the indicted to agree to give the Special Counsel something he has desperately looked for but does not have - EVIDENCE of anything he can use to take down the President.


Showdown in Virginia: Manafort fraud trial set to kick off in first Mueller probe prosecution

"Neither the Virginia trial nor Manafort's separate upcoming trial in Washington, D.C., directly relates to any alleged collusion between Trump officials and the Russian government, or purported Russian disinformation campaigns -- a fact that led to a tense courtroom showdown just months ago.

The judge in the case, T.S. Ellis III, harshly rebuked members of Mueller's team in a preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president."

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Did Mueller find evidence of a murder?

a·nal·o·gy
əˈnaləjē/
noun

1. a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
   "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
   • a correspondence or partial similarity.
     "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
   • a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.
     "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

A murder is not analogous to any of the charges associated with this case.

Oh sorry. Reverse it then if that one hurts your tender feelings. During a murder investigation, a robbery was discovered.

 

[Seawytch]

Charged with investigating possible illegal Trump collusion with Russians and / it Russian interference in the 2016 election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller instead went back more than a decade - to before Obama was elected - to find a crime.

While the country was rocked with tales of illegal collusion with Russians, the trial Mueller brings to court has nothing to do with President Trump, has nothing to do with 'illegal Russian collusion', and has nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential election.

Instead we are forced to endure a case whose purpose is to try to get the indicted to agree to give the Special Counsel something he has desperately looked for but does not have - EVIDENCE of anything he can use to take down the President.


Showdown in Virginia: Manafort fraud trial set to kick off in first Mueller probe prosecution

"Neither the Virginia trial nor Manafort's separate upcoming trial in Washington, D.C., directly relates to any alleged collusion between Trump officials and the Russian government, or purported Russian disinformation campaigns -- a fact that led to a tense courtroom showdown just months ago.

The judge in the case, T.S. Ellis III, harshly rebuked members of Mueller's team in a preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president."

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Does the same apply to illegals breaking the law by entering our country illegally?

Throw them in solitary confinement

-Geaux

If additional crimes are uncovered, of course.

We don't put people in solitary for misdemeanor crimes.

Or are you feeling sorry for Pauly Walnuts? Don't...

Manafort says he’s being treated like a 'VIP' in jail: Court filing

The conditions under which he’s being held are considered standard for many of the high-profile inmates housed in the jail’s VIP section because of security concerns. According to Northern Neck Superintendent Ted Hull, in the so-called VIP section, there is “no qualitative or quantitative difference” between cells and that Manafort has access to the same privileges as other VIP inmates.

Still, “Manafort has mentioned that he is being treated like a ‘VIP’,” Mueller’s team wrote. He has access to a laptop and does not have to wear a jail uniform, either, according to prosecutors.
​

 

[Vastator]

Charged with investigating possible illegal Trump collusion with Russians and / it Russian interference in the 2016 election. Special Counsel Robert Mueller instead went back more than a decade - to before Obama was elected - to find a crime.

While the country was rocked with tales of illegal collusion with Russians, the trial Mueller brings to court has nothing to do with President Trump, has nothing to do with 'illegal Russian collusion', and has nothing to do with the 2016 Presidential election.

Instead we are forced to endure a case whose purpose is to try to get the indicted to agree to give the Special Counsel something he has desperately looked for but does not have - EVIDENCE of anything he can use to take down the President.


Showdown in Virginia: Manafort fraud trial set to kick off in first Mueller probe prosecution

"Neither the Virginia trial nor Manafort's separate upcoming trial in Washington, D.C., directly relates to any alleged collusion between Trump officials and the Russian government, or purported Russian disinformation campaigns -- a fact that led to a tense courtroom showdown just months ago.

The judge in the case, T.S. Ellis III, harshly rebuked members of Mueller's team in a preliminary hearing in May, saying they were pursuing the case against the 69-year-old ex-Trump adviser only as a means to target the president."

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Did Mueller find evidence of a murder?

a·nal·o·gy
əˈnaləjē/
noun

1. a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
   "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
   • a correspondence or partial similarity.
     "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
   • a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.
     "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

A murder is not analogous to any of the charges associated with this case.

Oh sorry. Reverse it then if that one hurts your tender feelings. During a murder investigation, a robbery was discovered.

That would depend on how long ago. Given the various statutes of limitations. Even then your analogy isn’t analogous to this case.
This particular case has been a miscarriage of justice from the word go. It was never predicated on evidence, with the intent to see where the evidence led the investigation. Rather it was predicated on feelings, and an investigation was carried out in practice with the intent to “find” evidence of Trump/Russia collusion while none had existed. This in turn empowered an overzealous investigator to harass, and threaten with judicial action, everyone Trump knows, in order to pressure them into producing evidence of TrumpRussia collusion. That is not how American jurisprudence has been historically conducted in the United States. And no matter how this investigation ends; it will have forever changed prosecutorial conduct for the future.

 

[Seawytch]

So a detective investigating a robbery should just ignore evidence they uncovered of a murder because why?

Did Mueller find evidence of a murder?

a·nal·o·gy
əˈnaləjē/
noun

1. a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.
   "an analogy between the workings of nature and those of human societies"
   • a correspondence or partial similarity.
     "the syndrome is called deep dysgraphia because of its analogy to deep dyslexia"
   • a thing that is comparable to something else in significant respects.
     "works of art were seen as an analogy for works of nature"

A murder is not analogous to any of the charges associated with this case.

Oh sorry. Reverse it then if that one hurts your tender feelings. During a murder investigation, a robbery was discovered.

That would depend on how long ago. Given the various statutes of limitations. Even then your analogy isn’t analogous to this case.
This particular case has been a miscarriage of justice from the word go. It was never predicated on evidence, with the intent to see where the evidence led the investigation. Rather it was predicated on feelings, and an investigation was carried out in practice with the intent to “find” evidence of Trump/Russia collusion while none had existed. This in turn empowered an overzealous investigator to harass, and threaten with judicial action, everyone Trump knows, in order to pressure them into producing evidence of TrumpRussia collusion. That is not how American jurisprudence has been historically conducted in the United States. And no matter how this investigation ends; it will have forever changed prosecutorial conduct for the future.

How long ago? How's 2017?

Paul Manafort, who was Trump's campaign manager, and Richard W. Gates III, who was Manafort's top deputy and helped run Trump's inauguration, were separately accused of a total of 12 counts of fraud, conspiracy and money laundering in a financial scheme that ran from 2006 to 2017.
​

Trump tweets that crimes alleged in Manafort indictment took place before he joined the campaign. That's not true

You do realize that's what prosecutors do, right? Put pressure on people to testify. You catch the bagman and get him to give you the big fish. It may turn out Manifort is the only fish...don't you want to stop money laundering?

If Trump isn't guilty of anything, he shouldn't be worried about people flipping on him.

 

[CowboyTed]

Pretty sure the interfering with a witness is recent enough...
Got to laugh at these Trumpets, they are desperate to let Manafort of on serious crimes...

Manafort is a corrupt asshole who did work with Trump... This is not the only one Trump did with...

By the way the going back in history has been done plenty of times...

The interesting one is Allen Weisselberg, this is the Cohen investigation... Will this guy goto jail for Trump... He has a very long history with the Trumps and goes back to his father... If they turn him it is lights out, this guys knows everything buried...

 

[Vastator]

Pretty sure the interfering with a witness is recent enough...
Got to laugh at these Trumpets, they are desperate to let Manafort of on serious crimes...

Manafort is a corrupt asshole who did work with Trump... This is not the only one Trump did with...

By the way the going back in history has been done plenty of times...

The interesting one is Allen Weisselberg, this is the Cohen investigation... Will this guy goto jail for Trump... He has a very long history with the Trumps and goes back to his father... If they turn him it is lights out, this guys knows everything buried...

There is a prime example of what I'm saying. Your focal point is Trump, the presumption of guilt, and casual disinterest in the evidence except where you hope it will lead you to Trump. You are operating on the direct opposite philosophy of "innocent until proven guilty". Which has been a core tenet of our judicial practices in this nation historically.

 

[easyt65]

The problem with your tirade? 1) The investigation is into Russian interference in our Election. That happened. 2) During the investigation into that crime, the investigators turned up evidence of other wrongdoing. Fortunately, the Special Counsel was empowered to 3) pursue any other crimes they encountered along the way.

1. There is and never was any evidence linking the President to illegal Collusion with the Russians to interfere in the 2016 election. There was no such crime and no such evidence of this crime that warranted an investigation let alone an appointment of a Special Counsel.

Any investigation of Russian Interference - based on actual evidence of a crime - should have begun with President Barak Obama and his administration beginning in 2014, not with the current President. In 2014 evidence shows President Obama was made aware of an intense effort by Russia to hack senior govt officials' e-mails, to hack into the US Power Grid and to cause division and violence in the US through the use of a military-style Counter-Intelligence operation using social media. Evidence further shows, and his own ex-Cabinet members have admitted, that President Obama did next to nothing to stop it, that he never warned anyone the Russians were trying to hack their e-mails. Even though Obama KNEW Hillary was operating an illegal unauthorized unencrypted unsecured (all illegal) containing TOP SECRET+ data he did nothing to shut it down / to get her to stop and thus facilitated the illegal acquisition of that classified data by 6 foreign entities.

2. The investigators have completely 1) REFUSED to acknowledge that There is and never was any evidence linking the current President to any Interference engaged in by Russia and 2) REFUSED to acknowledge the massive wealth of evidence of crimes committed by DEMOCRATS - Hillary, Obama, his Cabinet, Brennan, Clapper, Holder, Lynch, Comey, McCabe, Strzok, John and Tony Podesta, etc...

3. Digging into the past of Manafort - going back 10 years, before Obama was even elected President, is nowhere near 'along the way' of investigating Russian Interference that began - as evidence shows - in 2014! As a Judge has already pointed out, going back 10 years to find a crime and only indicting 1/2 of the team that engaged in that crime (because the other half was connected to Hillary's election campaign) has nothing to do with Russian interference in the 2016 election. It is a massive flashing neon sign that says, 'I am specifically targeting the President, I have no evidence on him, but I am going to use his associates to try to get to him!'