MSNBC Panel: Little Hope’ Zimmerman Will Be Convi

[Sallow]

Lincoln invaded the Confederate states. He started the war. He did it so he could enforce punitive tariffs and loot the Southern states.

It was started when the rebel traitors attacked an American base.

That base was on South Carolina territory, and Lincoln sent ships to resupply it - a blatant act of war.

That was US territory.

Read the ******* Constitution.

 

[Pheonixops]

Another lefty hoping for race riots. How many kids do you want killed to make your point?

If riots happen, you know why they will happen?

Because folks are tired of institutional racism. That's why. If you've exhausted all your options of being treated fairly..and you are left with no options, then you revolt.

"Institutional racism" my ass. If riots happen it will be because a bunch of black thugs think the verdict is a good excuse to get some free shit.

Only thugs riot because of a verdict.

I agree, there's no excuse for a riot after a verdict. That's definitely the WRONG way to go about it.

 

[The Rabbi]

Preface: No one knows exactly how this went down except Zimmerman and Martin. And only one of them is talking. So I'm content to let the jury decide this one.

MHO: Zimmerman is a hot-headed, cop wannabe who carried a gun when he was told not to and who kept following Martin after being told not to. Martin was a tough-guy wannabe who was eager to show he wasn't going to get pushed around or intimidated.

Bad recipe - especially given Florida's "hold your ground" law.

IMHO this is kinda like Florida's election screw up in 2000. Plenty of blame all around.

You obviously havent been paying attention.
There is no evidence Zimmerman is hot headed. There is no evidence he is a cop wannabe. The opposite, actually. There is no evidence he was ever told not to carry a gun, which he was licensed to do. Hold your ground does not exist. Stand your ground is what a particular tpiece of legislation is called. And it is irrelevant to this case.
So aside from being totally ignorant about the facts and the law your post makes no sense.

 

[Truthseeker420]

What Zimmerman felt is irrelevant to self defense law. Get it right.

He had to feel fear for his life or great bodily injury...

Wrong.
The standard is a reasonable person in that situation would have had to be in fear.

We were talking about Zimmerman's feelings.

 

[Sallow]

BEcause he's a racist white man who shot an innocent black teen to death for no reason.
At least that's how they see it. The actual facts kind of suck for them. That's why you see the lefties here melting down because their narrative is unsustainable.
Had the prosecutor used normal channels and sought a grand jury indictment this would never have happened. The GJ would have given a no true bill and it would be over. But Nnnooooo..

That's sorta it in a nutshell.

You cannot go around shooting people you don't like.

You can shoot people who are punching you in the face and smashing your skull against the pavement.

That sorta depends on the context.

If you are walking down the street minding your own business, and someone jumps on you out of nowhere...and actually starts beating the shit out of you.

Yeah..there might be a case for self defense.

That didn't happen here.

Not at all.

 

[squeeze berry]

It was started when the rebel traitors attacked an American base.

That base was on South Carolina territory, and Lincoln sent ships to resupply it - a blatant act of war.

That was US territory.

Read the ******* Constitution.

which constitution?

USA or CSA ?

 

[Pheonixops]

It hasn't been consistent at all.

It's highly consistent.

And had the Sanford Police done a better job with the Forensics, Zimmerman would have been toast.

In other words, if they had found evidence they didn't find, then Zimmerman would be convicted. The only problem with that theory is that there is no such evidence.

No..they absolutely have not been consistent. The whole incident happened during a 7 minute time span. And that's from the time Zimmerman first calls the police to the time he murders Trayvon Martin.

His story has so many holes in it, I am surprised that anyone still defends him.

For example:
Zimmerman can't remember the street names of an area he patrols regularly and has only three streets.
Zimmerman thinks Martin is armed, yet he pursues him into a darkened area used for walking dogs.
Zimmerman says he gives up the chase, yet manages to catch up to Martin.
Zimmerman says Martin appears from behind Bushes, but changes that when it's clear that wasn't the case.
Zimmerman says Martin asks "What's your problem?" which contradicts what the last person heard over the phone.
Zimmerman says that Martin was on top the entire fight, which contradicts what is heard on the phone and the testimony of 2 witnesses.
Zimmerman says that Martin was slamming his head into the concrete which contradicts his injuries.
Zimmerman says that Martin was holding his mouth and nose which contradicts the pictures of him showing no blood smears on his face. It also contradicts the cell phone recording which has multiple voices shouting.
Zimmerman says that after he shot Martin he put him on his belly and stretched his arms out. That contradicts the photos showing Martin's hands under the body.
Zimmerman describes a brutal onslaught of blows to his head that "felt like bricks" which contradict Zimmerman's injuries and injuries to Martin's hands.
Zimmerman says Martin went for his gun and he manages to lock his hand under his arm, grab his gun and shoot him in the chest. That, seems incredibly improbable.

I'm willing to bet that zimmerman already had his hand on his weapon (if it wasn't drawn already) and then Martin clocked him and they fell to the ground (head and nose wounds) and then he shot Martin. I don't know what kind of holster zimmerman had, but i think that it would be difficult to draw one's weapon if they were allegedly getting pummeled on the bottom. But if the gun weapon was already drawn it would seem more plausible to me.

 

[Sallow]

Preface: No one knows exactly how this went down except Zimmerman and Martin. And only one of them is talking. So I'm content to let the jury decide this one.

MHO: Zimmerman is a hot-headed, cop wannabe who carried a gun when he was told not to and who kept following Martin after being told not to. Martin was a tough-guy wannabe who was eager to show he wasn't going to get pushed around or intimidated.

Bad recipe - especially given Florida's "hold your ground" law.

IMHO this is kinda like Florida's election screw up in 2000. Plenty of blame all around.

You obviously havent been paying attention.
There is no evidence Zimmerman is hot headed. There is no evidence he is a cop wannabe. The opposite, actually. There is no evidence he was ever told not to carry a gun, which he was licensed to do. Hold your ground does not exist. Stand your ground is what a particular tpiece of legislation is called. And it is irrelevant to this case.
So aside from being totally ignorant about the facts and the law your post makes no sense.

There's evidence of both.

And the cop wannabe thing got entered into evidence today.

 

[Sallow]

It's highly consistent.



In other words, if they had found evidence they didn't find, then Zimmerman would be convicted. The only problem with that theory is that there is no such evidence.

No..they absolutely have not been consistent. The whole incident happened during a 7 minute time span. And that's from the time Zimmerman first calls the police to the time he murders Trayvon Martin.

His story has so many holes in it, I am surprised that anyone still defends him.

For example:
Zimmerman can't remember the street names of an area he patrols regularly and has only three streets.
Zimmerman thinks Martin is armed, yet he pursues him into a darkened area used for walking dogs.
Zimmerman says he gives up the chase, yet manages to catch up to Martin.
Zimmerman says Martin appears from behind Bushes, but changes that when it's clear that wasn't the case.
Zimmerman says Martin asks "What's your problem?" which contradicts what the last person heard over the phone.
Zimmerman says that Martin was on top the entire fight, which contradicts what is heard on the phone and the testimony of 2 witnesses.
Zimmerman says that Martin was slamming his head into the concrete which contradicts his injuries.
Zimmerman says that Martin was holding his mouth and nose which contradicts the pictures of him showing no blood smears on his face. It also contradicts the cell phone recording which has multiple voices shouting.
Zimmerman says that after he shot Martin he put him on his belly and stretched his arms out. That contradicts the photos showing Martin's hands under the body.
Zimmerman describes a brutal onslaught of blows to his head that "felt like bricks" which contradict Zimmerman's injuries and injuries to Martin's hands.
Zimmerman says Martin went for his gun and he manages to lock his hand under his arm, grab his gun and shoot him in the chest. That, seems incredibly improbable.

I'm willing to bet that zimmerman already had his hand on his weapon (if it wasn't drawn already) and then Martin clocked him and they fell to the ground (head and nose wounds) and then he shot Martin. I don't know what kind of holster zimmerman had, but i think that it would be difficult to draw one's weapon if they were allegedly getting pummeled on the bottom. But if the gun weapon was already drawn it would seem more plausible to me.

There's a lot of possibilities. But I am willing to think that he managed to get it out and press it into Martin, who begged for his life before being shot.

 

[Sallow]

That base was on South Carolina territory, and Lincoln sent ships to resupply it - a blatant act of war.

That was US territory.

Read the ******* Constitution.

which constitution?

USA or CSA ?

The US one.

The CSA was in violation of the US constitution. Which means they were treasonous traitors.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's highly consistent.



In other words, if they had found evidence they didn't find, then Zimmerman would be convicted. The only problem with that theory is that there is no such evidence.

No..they absolutely have not been consistent. The whole incident happened during a 7 minute time span. And that's from the time Zimmerman first calls the police to the time he murders Trayvon Martin.

His story has so many holes in it, I am surprised that anyone still defends him.

For example:
Zimmerman can't remember the street names of an area he patrols regularly and has only three streets.
Zimmerman thinks Martin is armed, yet he pursues him into a darkened area used for walking dogs.
Zimmerman says he gives up the chase, yet manages to catch up to Martin.
Zimmerman says Martin appears from behind Bushes, but changes that when it's clear that wasn't the case.
Zimmerman says Martin asks "What's your problem?" which contradicts what the last person heard over the phone.
Zimmerman says that Martin was on top the entire fight, which contradicts what is heard on the phone and the testimony of 2 witnesses.
Zimmerman says that Martin was slamming his head into the concrete which contradicts his injuries.
Zimmerman says that Martin was holding his mouth and nose which contradicts the pictures of him showing no blood smears on his face. It also contradicts the cell phone recording which has multiple voices shouting.
Zimmerman says that after he shot Martin he put him on his belly and stretched his arms out. That contradicts the photos showing Martin's hands under the body.
Zimmerman describes a brutal onslaught of blows to his head that "felt like bricks" which contradict Zimmerman's injuries and injuries to Martin's hands.
Zimmerman says Martin went for his gun and he manages to lock his hand under his arm, grab his gun and shoot him in the chest. That, seems incredibly improbable.

I'm willing to bet that zimmerman already had his hand on his weapon (if it wasn't drawn already) and then Martin clocked him and they fell to the ground (head and nose wounds) and then he shot Martin. I don't know what kind of holster zimmerman had, but i think that it would be difficult to draw one's weapon if they were allegedly getting pummeled on the bottom. But if the gun weapon was already drawn it would seem more plausible to me.

And this is what passes for logic these days?

If Zimmerman had his hand on his weapon then would have drawn his weapon. He could most likely have stopped Trayvan dead in his tracks without even pulling the trigger. After all, Trayvan was just an innocent teenager out for Skittles and Ice Tea. Not some drug addict thug out to kick the shit out of some crâzy assed Cracker.

I can tell that not many on the left ever faced life-threatening situations before.

 

[Sallow]

No..they absolutely have not been consistent. The whole incident happened during a 7 minute time span. And that's from the time Zimmerman first calls the police to the time he murders Trayvon Martin.

His story has so many holes in it, I am surprised that anyone still defends him.

For example:
Zimmerman can't remember the street names of an area he patrols regularly and has only three streets.
Zimmerman thinks Martin is armed, yet he pursues him into a darkened area used for walking dogs.
Zimmerman says he gives up the chase, yet manages to catch up to Martin.
Zimmerman says Martin appears from behind Bushes, but changes that when it's clear that wasn't the case.
Zimmerman says Martin asks "What's your problem?" which contradicts what the last person heard over the phone.
Zimmerman says that Martin was on top the entire fight, which contradicts what is heard on the phone and the testimony of 2 witnesses.
Zimmerman says that Martin was slamming his head into the concrete which contradicts his injuries.
Zimmerman says that Martin was holding his mouth and nose which contradicts the pictures of him showing no blood smears on his face. It also contradicts the cell phone recording which has multiple voices shouting.
Zimmerman says that after he shot Martin he put him on his belly and stretched his arms out. That contradicts the photos showing Martin's hands under the body.
Zimmerman describes a brutal onslaught of blows to his head that "felt like bricks" which contradict Zimmerman's injuries and injuries to Martin's hands.
Zimmerman says Martin went for his gun and he manages to lock his hand under his arm, grab his gun and shoot him in the chest. That, seems incredibly improbable.

I'm willing to bet that zimmerman already had his hand on his weapon (if it wasn't drawn already) and then Martin clocked him and they fell to the ground (head and nose wounds) and then he shot Martin. I don't know what kind of holster zimmerman had, but i think that it would be difficult to draw one's weapon if they were allegedly getting pummeled on the bottom. But if the gun weapon was already drawn it would seem more plausible to me.

And this is what passes for logic these days?

If Zimmerman had his hand on his weapon then would have drawn his weapon. He could most likely have stopped Trayvan dead in his tracks without even pulling the trigger. After all, Trayvan was just an innocent teenager out for Skittles and Ice Tea. Not some drug addict thug out to kick the shit out of some crâzy assed Cracker.

I can tell that not many on the left ever faced life-threatening situations before.

You ever get tired of your bullshit?

 

[The Rabbi]

He had to feel fear for his life or great bodily injury...

Wrong.
The standard is a reasonable person in that situation would have had to be in fear.

We were talking about Zimmerman's feelings.

Which, for the 500th time, are irrelevant here.

 

[The Rabbi]

I'm willing to bet that zimmerman already had his hand on his weapon (if it wasn't drawn already) and then Martin clocked him and they fell to the ground (head and nose wounds) and then he shot Martin. I don't know what kind of holster zimmerman had, but i think that it would be difficult to draw one's weapon if they were allegedly getting pummeled on the bottom. But if the gun weapon was already drawn it would seem more plausible to me.

Kewl story, bro. Unfortunately there is no evidence for any of that.

 

[bripat9643]

Show me any evidence Zimmerman was being beat. And you have to have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury,which Zimmerman did not....

How do you know what Zimmerman felt at that moment?

I think Zimmerman's actions shows his rage but what Zimmerman felt is not the only element of self defense law.

What actions show his "rage?"

 

[nodoginnafight]

That base was on South Carolina territory, and Lincoln sent ships to resupply it - a blatant act of war.

That was US territory.

Read the ******* Constitution.

which constitution?

USA or CSA ?

ok - THAT is funny

 

[bripat9643]

Show me any evidence Zimmerman was being beat. And you have to have a reasonable fear of death or great bodily injury,which Zimmerman did not....

Earth to TS, Earth to TS. Just about every prosecution witness so far gave such evidence.

Name one.

 

[Sunshine]

It's all over, folks.

MSNBC Panel Concedes Prosecution?s Case Is Weak, ?Little Hope? Zimmerman Will Be Convicted | Mediaite

During MSNBC’s Martin Bashir on Tuesday, the entire panel of contributors and guests conceded that the prosecution has done a poor job of framing George Zimmerman as being guilty of second degree murder when he shot and killed Tryavon Martin in 2012. One guest noted that, given the weakness of the evidence presented against Zimmerman thus far, the state would likely be wrapping up the prosecution phase soon.​

The state had no case to start with. That is why the state didn't file charges when the incident happened. Seriously, why anyone thought that just because well known race baiters and black supremacists shitting a squealing worm over it would change the facts is beyond imagination.

 

[Sallow]

How do you know what Zimmerman felt at that moment?

I think Zimmerman's actions shows his rage but what Zimmerman felt is not the only element of self defense law.

What actions show his "rage?"

The dead kid in the grass.

 

[nodoginnafight]

I don't think either of these guys is a role model.

A cop wannabe with anger management issues and a lust for the cloak of authority runs into a tough-guy wannabe who can't wait to demonstrate that no cracker is gonna intimidate him.

Zimmerman carried his gun contrary to the instructions from Neighborhood Watch and kept dogging Martin despite the instructions from local police.

Beyond those certainties - no one really knows what happened.

Let the jury sort it out.