MSNBC legal analyst breaks the truth to Mourning Joe- Illegal Aliens are not owed due process

[DonGlock26]

Cliff's Notes: Democrats and the Media are full of shit about due process and illegal aliens.


Even the Obama admin deported illegal aliens without a judicial hearing.



"The numbers are staggering: in 1995, 1,400 immigrants were subject to nonjudicial removals, representing 3 percent of total deportations. By FY 2012 that number had sharply increased to 313,000 nonjudicial removals – an all-time high.

Under today's removal system, only one quarter of all people facing expulsion get to present their case before an immigration judge. These judges, employed by the Justice Department, are experts in immigration law. They conduct formal court hearings where they hear live witnesses, review documentary evidence, and evaluate applications for immigration relief.

By contrast, nonjudicial removals are fast-track proceedings wholly controlled by the Department of Homeland Security ("DHS"), sometimes involving only a single border agent who acts as both judge and jury. Those facing nonjudicial removal have no lawyer and no chance to appeal.

The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers."

Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration | ACLU

www.aclu.org

 

[BluesLegend]

500,000 illegal scumbags never showed up to their Joe Biden asylum hearings because...their asylum claims were total BS and Joe Biden knew it. Now they have vanished into our country.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Cliff's Notes: Democrats and the Media are full of shit about due process and illegal aliens.


Even the Obama admin deported illegal aliens without a judicial hearing.



"The numbers are staggering: in 1995, 1,400 immigrants were subject to nonjudicial removals, representing 3 percent of total deportations. By FY 2012 that number had sharply increased to 313,000 nonjudicial removals – an all-time high.

Under today's removal system, only one quarter of all people facing expulsion get to present their case before an immigration judge. These judges, employed by the Justice Department, are experts in immigration law. They conduct formal court hearings where they hear live witnesses, review documentary evidence, and evaluate applications for immigration relief.

By contrast, nonjudicial removals are fast-track proceedings wholly controlled by the Department of Homeland Security ("DHS"), sometimes involving only a single border agent who acts as both judge and jury. Those facing nonjudicial removal have no lawyer and no chance to appeal.

The Obama administration has prioritized speed over fairness in the removal system, sacrificing individualized due process in the pursuit of record removal numbers."

Speed Over Fairness: Deportation Under the Obama Administration | ACLU

www.aclu.org

I'm glad some Democrats watched that since it was on MSNBC.

This is what Bondi and Noem mean when they say even if Abrego Garcia comes back, he can (and definitely will) be removed immediately under Expeditited removal as proudly signed into law by Bill Clinton.

I love how the MSNBC lawyer has to warn the liberal viewers not to get their hopes up that their wife-beating, human-trafficking hero will get to stay forever.

 

[DonGlock26]

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I'm glad some Democrats watched that since it was on MSNBC.

This is what Bondi and Noem mean when they say even if Abrego Garcia comes back, he can (and definitely will) be removed immediately under Expeditited removal as proudly signed into law by Bill Clinton.

I love how the MSNBC lawyer has to warn the liberal viewers not to get their hopes up that their wife-beating, human-trafficking hero will get to stay forever.

... but he still gets due process. Why does that bother you?

 

[Seymour Flops]

... but he still gets due process. Why does that bother you?

Doesn't bother me at all. It will cripple Democrats' chances in 2026, and Kilmar will be just as gone.

 

[Rawley]

I'm glad some Democrats watched that since it was on MSNBC.

This is what Bondi and Noem mean when they say even if Abrego Garcia comes back, he can (and definitely will) be removed immediately under Expeditited removal as proudly signed into law by Bill Clinton.

I love how the MSNBC lawyer has to warn the liberal viewers not to get their hopes up that their wife-beating, human-trafficking hero will get to stay forever.

The lawyer did a decent job explaining it. Doubt he'll be invited back to MSNBC

Because he was in the country for more than 2 years, I doubt they could use expedited removal. He'd be allowed a hearing.

But, I don't see any reason they can't have that hearing while he's in El Salvador. We held administrative hearings via video for several years during COVID.

 

[HikerGuy83]

What due process hearing.

They are illegal.

My statement about due process was that he had a non-deportation order. If that is true, he is owed due process (it had already started).

But for most, it is in the van, on the plane and out the door at your country of choice (or whatever).

 

[HikerGuy83]

... but he still gets due process. Why does that bother you?

What he gets isn't the issue.

It's the fact that you jerks lie out your backsides on these kinds of issues.

Lie and lie and lie some more.

 

[Doc7505]

500,000 illegal scumbags never showed up to their Joe Biden asylum hearings because...their asylum claims were total BS and Joe Biden knew it. Now they have vanished into our country.

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They violated their so called fue process by failing to appear and therefore earned their deportation...

 

[Seymour Flops]

The lawyer did a decent job explaining it. Doubt he'll be invited back to MSNBC

Because he was in the country for more than 2 years, I doubt they could use expedited removal. He'd be allowed a hearing.

I think Bondi would argue that the two years start when and if El Salvador sends him back, not one of the times he illegally immigrated.

But if it's a due process hearing, he can go before an immigration judge who will lift that absurd "I'm scared of a gang that no longer exists" excemption and send his ass right back home. Only this time, he won't get out of the Supermax.

But, I don't see any reason they can't have that hearing while he's in El Salvador. We held administrative hearings via video for several years during COVID.

Brilliant!

The Supremes ordered two things: "Facilitate" Kilmar's release, and give him due process. Since there is no release to facilitate, do the other thing by sending that same immigration judge to let him call as many witnesses as he can find who will testify on his behalf. Find that he belongs in El Salvador (duh), and it's done.

 

[Seymour Flops]

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They violated their so called fue process by failing to appear and therefore earned their deportation...

I wonder if our resident Dems would agree?

How about it, Crepitus, John Edgar Slow Horses, Lesh?

If an illegal dodges their hearing, and get caught, do we set another hearing date for just boot them out?

 

[Marener]

Even the Obama admin deported illegal aliens without a judicial hearing.

He didn’t send them to a foreign gulag.

 

[Marener]

I think Bondi would argue that the two years start when and if El Salvador sends him back, not one of the times he illegally immigrated.

But if it's a due process hearing, he can go before an immigration judge who will lift that absurd "I'm scared of a gang that no longer exists" excemption and send his ass right back home. Only this time, he won't get out of the Supermax.

Brilliant!

The Supremes ordered two things: "Facilitate" Kilmar's release, and give him due process. Since there is no release to facilitate, do the other thing by sending that same immigration judge to let him call as many witnesses as he can find who will testify on his behalf. Find that he belongs in El Salvador (duh), and it's done.

Garcia already had a hearing and was deemed deportable. However, even people in expedited removal processes have the right to claim asylum, which Garcia did. That claim also failed because of timing, however he successfully argued fear and harm by returning to El Salvador and was granted a withholding order.

That’s why Trump’s deportation of Garcia was illegal. Not because he wasn’t deportable, but because Trump ignored a court order to not send him to El Salvador.

Garcia was denied the chance to challenge his illegal deportation in court to prevent it from happening. Call it what you want, that sounds like lack of due process to me.

 

[Rawley]

I think Bondi would argue that the two years start when and if El Salvador sends him back, not one of the times he illegally immigrated.

But if it's a due process hearing, he can go before an immigration judge who will lift that absurd "I'm scared of a gang that no longer exists" excemption and send his ass right back home. Only this time, he won't get out of the Supermax.

THey actually moved him out of the supermax into another prison.

Brilliant!

The Supremes ordered two things: "Facilitate" Kilmar's release, and give him due process. Since there is no release to facilitate, do the other thing by sending that same immigration judge to let him call as many witnesses as he can find who will testify on his behalf. Find that he belongs in El Salvador (duh), and it's done.

It is pretty much as you laid out - El Salvador got Barrio 18 under control - the only reason for his removal withholding. Should be a half an hour hearing.

I suspect the DOJ is dragging this out a bit because the Dems are digging their graves deeper and deeper each day that passes.

 

[Seymour Flops]

Garcia already had a hearing and was deemed deportable. However, even people in expedited removal processes have the right to claim asylum, which Garcia did. That claim also failed because of timing, however he successfully argued fear and harm by returning to El Salvador and was granted a withholding order.

From being deported to El Salvador, not from being deported.

That’s why Trump’s deportation of Garcia was illegal. Not because he wasn’t deportable, but because Trump ignored a court order to not send him to El Salvador.

Correct.

Garcia was denied the chance to challenge his illegal deportation in court to prevent it from happening. Call it what you want, that sounds like lack of due process to me.

That's absurd. He got plenty of due process. He got exactly the ruling he asked for.

Then . . . because of an administrative error, he was deported to the wrong place.

It's an error easily fixed by having another hearing in which the immigration judge will remove that restriction on deporting him to El Salvador. Once that is done, he's in the right place. Problem solved.

The end.

Or can this never be resolved to the Democrats' satisfaction without the wife-beating, human trafficking suspected gang member being released in the U.S?

Be honest, now.

 

[Care4all]

The lawyer did a decent job explaining it. Doubt he'll be invited back to MSNBC

Because he was in the country for more than 2 years, I doubt they could use expedited removal. He'd be allowed a hearing.

But, I don't see any reason they can't have that hearing while he's in El Salvador. We held administrative hearings via video for several years during COVID.

He'll be back, he's a paid MSNBC Analyst. Agree he's good at explaining things!!

Yeah, you're right that Garcia being here past 2 years strikes out the expedited removal thingy....he would be allowed a court hearing...

The admin can make their case on why the Court Ordered halt on returning him to ElSalvador be revoked, and Garcia and lawyers can make their case on why the protection should not be removed...

Don't think the video hearing would work, without Garcia having free and private access to his attorneys ahead and during hearing??? But who knows, maybe it could work??

 

[Rawley]

He'll be back, he's a paid MSNBC Analyst. Agree he's good at explaining things!!

Yeah, you're right that Garcia being here past 2 years strikes out the expedited removal thingy....he would be allowed a court hearing...

The admin can make their case on why the Court Ordered halt on returning him to ElSalvador be revoked, and Garcia and lawyers can make their case on why the protection should not be removed...

Don't think the video hearing would work, without Garcia having free and private access to his attorneys ahead and during hearing??? But who knows, maybe it could work??

It will be in immigration court. And they will have full access to his lawyers. Again, we did it for several years during COVID

 

[Marener]

From being deported to El Salvador, not from being deported.

Correct.

That's absurd. He got plenty of due process. He got exactly the ruling he asked for.

Then . . . because of an administrative error, he was deported to the wrong place.

It's an error easily fixed by having another hearing in which the immigration judge will remove that restriction on deporting him to El Salvador. Once that is done, he's in the right place. Problem solved.

The end.

Or can this never be resolved to the Democrats' satisfaction without the wife-beating, human trafficking suspected gang member being released in the U.S?

Be honest, now.

The Trump administration says it wasn’t an error.

Garcia can’t have the order removed until he’s back in the United States to defend himself.

 

[Care4all]

It will be in immigration court. And they will have full access to his lawyers. Again, we did it for several years during COVID

Not with someone sent to be imprisoned over seas, that I am aware?