msnbc: Kids don't belong to their parents.

[Dadoalex]

Oh you mean Biden?

No

Not as all

This was about the possibilities when the attitude is that children are "owned" by their parents

But if you want to derail the conversation

With your fantasies and lies

Then I'm willing to slap you around with the truth.

 

[BlindBoo]

So? The Neo-GOP wants to Co-opt every baby factory in the country.

 

[Theowl32]

Leftists are disgusting virtue signaling hypocrites and losers.

 

[ThisIsMe]

AO
A person decide their kids need to be quiet at night so a couple of percs at bedtime will do the trick
A person decides they need extra income so you send their 14 yo daughter to work in a strip club

Should I go on or would you rather we talk about a horny father and his six year old daughter?

Once again, you divert to this extreme rhetoric that nobody is talking about and is not what mrs perry was referring to. You know this, so why be disingenuous?

if a parent did anything to like that to those kids, it is up to someone to call child protective services, but that is not what this conversation is about. We’re talking about the general concept of raising children. The left apparently believes that other people should have a say in how another child is raised and that the community is responsible for raising children, and that is wrong.

 

[Dadoalex]

Once again, you divert to this extreme rhetoric that nobody is talking about and is not what mrs perry was referring to. You know this, so why be disingenuous?

if a parent did anything to like that to those kids, it is up to someone to call child protective services, but that is not what this conversation is about. We’re talking about the general concept of raising children. The left apparently believes that other people should have a say in how another child is raised and that the community is responsible for raising children, and that is wrong.

You mean the community takes responsibility for the child's well being.

Thank you for recognizing your error.

I can tell you that when I was young if I or one of my friends misbehaved there'd be 2 punishments. The one by the en loco parentis and the one when they got home.

But, of course, now, we have parents who look on their children from an ownership perspective so even speaking harshly to a misbehaving child is cause for physical violence, law suits, and more.

 

[ThisIsMe]

You mean the community takes responsibility for the child's well being.

Thank you for recognizing your error.

I can tell you that when I was young if I or one of my friends misbehaved there'd be 2 punishments. The one by the en loco parentis and the one when they got home.

But, of course, now, we have parents who look on their children from an ownership perspective so even speaking harshly to a misbehaving child is cause for physical violence, law suits, and more.

You mean the community takes responsibility for the child's well being.

No…I mean, it’s up to someone to report child abuse, but the community has no say in raising someone else’s child. You keep pushing over to this other narrative…which is not what anyone is talking about. You know what this is about, why keep trying to steer it away?

I can tell you that when I was young if I or one of my friends misbehaved there'd be 2 punishments. The one by the en loco parentis and the one when they got home.

I don’t know where you grew up, but the scenario you listed wouldn’t fly here today…if a kid come home and tells his dad that some stranger up the street gave him a spanking, I promise you that dad would be up the street all up in that persons business.

But, of course, now, we have parents who look on their children from an ownership perspective so even speaking harshly to a misbehaving child is cause for physical violence, law suits, and more.

I don’t know of anyone who thinks of their children as “property”, that’s something you all made up just to start a narrative. When a parent says “the child belongs to me” they are talking about in the parental sense, that they are responsible for the child, the child lives under their roof, and has to abide by their rules.

even speaking harshly to a misbehaving child is cause for physical violence, law suits, and more.

I’m not sure what you mean here? That if the parent speaks harshly to their own child, or if a stranger speaks harshly to someone else’s child?

 

[22lcidw]

No

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Not as all

This was about the possibilities when the attitude is that children are "owned" by their parents
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But if you want to derail the conversation

With your fantasies and lies

Then I'm willing to slap you around with the truth.

These photos are professionally done if real except the one where he is walking with his daughter holding her hand. Why on earth would he have professional photos taken if he was a pedo with her? Joe is very different.

 

[Dadoalex]

These photos are professionally done if real except the one where he is walking with his daughter holding her hand. Why on earth would he have professional photos taken if he was a pedo with her? Joe is very different.

Professionally done porn photos?
You mean like the ones Stormi Daniels and other porn stars take?
Remember Trump was a VERY close associate of Epstien.

Joe? A fantasy created by Trump propagandists. Yet another lie about Biden that collapses under the light.
Trump? You don't have to look beyond today's twitter feeds to see Trump grabbing ass with underage women.

 

[struth]

demafasict believe people belong to the state. There is no family, no individual…it’s all the state

 

[Dadoalex]

No…I mean, it’s up to someone to report child abuse, ...

You mean SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY is taking resaponsibility for the mis-treatment of a child?

Your own words put the lie to your position

and

To whom is the abuse reported? Under your theory such a process wouldn't exist because CPS or whatever your state calls them wouldn't exist.

Public schools is the community helping raise the child
Food stamps and other safety net programs is the community helping raise the child.

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Be informed and pay attention to part 1041

 

[ThisIsMe]

You mean SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY is taking resaponsibility for the mis-treatment of a child?

Your own words put the lie to your position

and

To whom is the abuse reported? Under your theory such a process wouldn't exist because CPS or whatever your state calls them wouldn't exist.

Public schools is the community helping raise the child
Food stamps and other safety net programs is the community helping raise the child.

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Be informed and pay attention to part 1041

Oh my gosh, you just won’t let up will you. What being discussed here is not about child abuse, it’s about people believing the community is responsible for raising a child.

I’ve already stated that if abuse is detected, then it should be reported, yes, I agree with that, but that’s not what the video posted, not what this topic is talking about. Why do to keep going there?

 

[Dadoalex]

Oh my gosh, you just won’t let up will you. What being discussed here is not about child abuse, it’s about people believing the community is responsible for raising a child.

I’ve already stated that if abuse is detected, then it should be reported, yes, I agree with that, but that’s not what the video posted, not what this topic is talking about. Why do to keep going there?

I keep making the same points because the points are spot on the topic and factually correct.

Read the thread title.

msnbc: Kids don't belong to their parents​

"
The opposing position, yours, is that "kids DO belong to their parents." Like a suitcase or a pig raised for food. Did you bother to read the PDF? Even just the referenced section.

And the "community" already helps with raising kids with public schools, law enforcement, and other services.

The misbehaviors we see in young people today is partially but directly attributable to the "that's MY kid and I'LL do what I want with MY KID" attitude you're pushing.

A good community can help make up for a bad parent.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I keep making the same points because the points are spot on the topic and factually correct.

Read the thread title.

msnbc: Kids don't belong to their parents​

"
The opposing position, yours, is that "kids DO belong to their parents." Like a suitcase or a pig raised for food. Did you bother to read the PDF? Even just the referenced section.

And the "community" already helps with raising kids with public schools, law enforcement, and other services.

The misbehaviors we see in young people today is partially but directly attributable to the "that's MY kid and I'LL do what I want with MY KID" attitude you're pushing.

A good community can help make up for a bad parent.

I keep making the same points because the points are spot on the topic and factually correct

No, you keep making an attempt to turn the context of the topic to some extreme example despite me explaining several times that that is not what the video I question is talking about.

The opposing position, yours, is that "kids DO belong to their parents." Like a suitcase or a pig raised for food

No…I’ve said several times that is not what I’m talking about. That is something YOU keep talking about, which is some extreme unrelated scenario. Kids DO belong to their parents, but in the context I’ve explained…at least twice.

The video in the OP was referencing the left idea of “it takes a village”

I mean, I could turn that around and say that if you think children belong to a community, you mean like property? Like a pig raised for food? Or a suitcase??

Did you bother to read the PDF?

What pdf? I was talking about the video in the OP. If there is a pdf linked from this forum, then no, I haven’t seen it, nor will I view it. I’m not downloading anything off of a message board to my system.

And the "community" already helps with raising kids with public schools, law enforcement, and other services.

That’s not even remotely what we’re talking about here. Those are public services, not the “community raising a child”

The misbehaviors we see in young people today is partially but directly attributable to the "that's MY kid and I'LL do what I want with MY KID" attitude you're pushing.

A good community can help make up for a bad parent.

I can’t deny there are bad parents out there, but again, if a parent is abusing a child, then they should be turned into cps, but, if you are trying to tell me that a stranger has a right to instruct someone else’s child, or worse, punish or correct that child, then you are wrong. That’s a quick way to be involved in a confrontation with that child’s parent, or with the police.

You just don’t mess with other people’s kids. Besides, who’s to say that what the “community” tries to teach the child is right? Your values may not be the same as the kids parents values. What gives you the right to impart your values on someone else’s child?

As I’ve asked before, what happens if a bunch of trump supporters move into your community….are you going to be ok with the “it’s the communities responsibility to raise a child” then? I’m going to guess that answer will be no. If that ever happened, you’d probably say that nobody else should try to influence your child.

 

[scruffy]

Then I'm willing to slap you around with the truth.

Your arms aren't long enough to slap me, bud.