Mr. Yiannapolous opens Conversion Center

[TheProgressivePatriot]

IMHO, therapy to cure people of the desire to take it in the caboose has to be pretty damned successful.

Otherwise, libs wouldn't be interested in outlawing it.

Homoamericans are a very loyal voting bloc for the D's, encouraging people to adopt the orientation is part of the Party's strategery for growth.

Don't you ever get tired of making yourself sound stupid?

 

[Correll]

Very few and those who do become gay, do not do so as a result of the molestation. A child who is sexually abuse is far more likely to become and abuser, and no most homosexuals are not child molesters

That sounds like b.s.

Has there been any studies done of that?

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

That sounds like b.s.

Has there been any studies done of that?

Yes there are. Do some homework. Google is your friend

 

[Polishprince]

You got me. You need conversion because your primitive ideas advocate an abusive practice. A practice that is perpetrated by bigots against people who are just trying to find their way in life.

A real therapist will explore the source of the feeling that a person might have about being gey, hand help them to decide who andwhat they are, and what works for them

A conversion therapist starts with the premise the the person can and will change and employs abusive brainwashing techniques

What is possibly wrong with a therapist starting out with the premise that they will be successful in getting the person to turn away from the behavior they wish to change?

Makes a lot more sense than assuming that they will be a failure.

 

[John T. Ford]

I don't know where you're getting you information from but this "repairitve " therapy is the same abusive bullshit as conversion therapy

That's not what my research shows.

I think you are simply against this kind of therapy and therefore making it out to be something that it isn't.

 

[Papageorgio]

You got me. You need conversion because your primitive ideas advocate an abusive practice. A practice that is perpetrated by bigots against people who are just trying to find their way in life.

A real therapist will explore the source of the feeling that a person might have about being gey, hand help them to decide who andwhat they are, and what works for them

A conversion therapist starts with the premise the the person can and will change and employs abusive brainwashing techniques

You believe my ideas are primitive not surprising because my idea is live and let live. My idea is you want to be gay or hetro, fine by me but I don't need to accept or endorse your life. If I ever think I need conversion I'll let you know. Your idea of a real therapist is about what I believe, the conversion therapist I have no idea because I have never experienced going to one. I don't believe it is entirely what you claim and your bias fits into that. I have done a little read on them yesterday and I am not seeing the big difference you claim, however, I can't say for sure.

 

[Correll]

Yes there are. Do some homework. Google is your friend

Oh, got it. YOu know that it's really high, but don't want to admit it.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Oh, got it. YOu know that it's really high, but don't want to admit it.

What I know is that you are intelectually lazy and apparently fearful of what you might learn if you did the research

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

What is possibly wrong with a therapist starting out with the premise that they will be successful in getting the person to turn away from the behavior they wish to change?

Makes a lot more sense than assuming that they will be a failure.

THINK! about what you're saying for once! Going into treatment, there is much that the therapist does not know about the client. There may bemuch that the client does not know or understandabout themselves. There has to be an open ended process that leaves open the possibility of going in any direction. The client must lead the way and that often turns out to be a different direction than what was originally presented.

The client may have been coerced and shamed into conversion. They may not know for sure what they really want and my really be looking for help accepting themselves as gay. You cannot have a therapist with blinders on who is hell bent on going in one direction and one direction only regadless of what unfolds in treatment.

I will bet that these quacks never even ask important questions like "why do you want to change?" or "What is bothering you about being gay?" No, its like ok. We are going fix up by making to straight. End of story

That is malpractice. It is like a medical doctor perscribing medication, or surgury, without examining the patient. "You have pain? No problem , we don't need to know why, just take these opioids"

 

[Winston]

So what would you suggest that people do if they determine they need help to break the buggery habit/



We are talking about people who have already made the decision to change to normative.

Once they get ask for help, they aren't going to want to be enabled any more. So a little bit of shame is necessary
Just like if someone wants to quit drinking or drugging.

The therapists there don't just leave the alkies alone. They hop on the patients until they quit with the self destructiveness.

I can see you know very little about addiction recovery. Shame is an integral part of any addiction. Recovery is impossible without first addressing that shame. It is six steps, recognizing the shame, addressing the shame, accepting one's self, letting go, being kind to yourself, and finding a safe place. Any treatment that cultivates shame is destined for failure.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I can see you know very little about addiction recovery. Shame is an integral part of any addiction. Recovery is impossible without first addressing that shame. It is six steps, recognizing the shame, addressing the shame, accepting one's self, letting go, being kind to yourself, and finding a safe place. Any treatment that cultivates shame is destined for failure.

What in the name of Franken **** does adiction have to do with homosexuality?

 

[initforme]

If a gay person wishes to try and convert so be it. Give it a try. If they wish to remain gay so be it. Why does anyone care what someone else's sexuality is? I could care less as it has no affect on the nation whatsoever. It hurts NOBODY. People out there claiming that everyone should be one or the other are frankly pathetic.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

If a gay person wishes to try and convert so be it. Give it a try. If they wish to remain gay so be it. Why does anyone care what someone else's sexuality is? I could care less as it has no affect on the nation whatsoever. It hurts NOBODY. People out there claiming that everyone should be one or the other are frankly pathetic.

Mostly I agree with you. But we hve to guard against harmful practices that involve abuse and coersion. If a person is uncomfortable or unhappy with theirsexuality they need to see a reputable therapist who will help them work through their anxiety and ambivlance without and adgenda.

 

[Correll]

What I know is that you are intelectually lazy and apparently fearful of what you might learn if you did the research

If I posted links showing that homosexuals first sexual experience are TWENTY times more likely to be abuse from an older partner, than straights,


would you admit that meant ANYTHING?

 

[Polishprince]

What in the name of Franken **** does adiction have to do with homosexuality?

Homosexuality is compulsive behavior, much like drinking and drugs.

This is why Interventions are needed to help convince people with this compulsion to seek treatment.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

If I posted links showing that homosexuals first sexual experience are TWENTY times more likely to be abuse from an older partner, than straights,


would you admit that meant ANYTHINGBring it on. But warned. I will have a surprise foryou. Hint"

If I posted links showing that homosexuals first sexual experience are TWENTY times more likely to be abuse from an older partner, than straights,


would you admit that meant ANYTHING?

Bringg it on. But be warned. I have a surprise for you. Hint: There is a difference between corlation and causation so you had better have all of your ducks in a row.

In any case what is it that you're trying to prove? That sexual predators produce gays.? Even if true, where are you going with this?

 

[Correll]

Bringg it on. But be warned. I have a surprise for you. Hint: There is a difference between corlation and causation so you had better have all of your ducks in a row.

In any case what is it that you're trying to prove? That sexual predators produce gays.? Even if true, where are you going with this?

I asked a simple question. Which you did not answer.

The truth is that your position is ideological. "doing the work" would be a waste of time, because you would simply dismiss any and all information that doesn't fit your ideological narrative.


That is why you did not answer. Because you want to ask "questions" and spew shit, but when it comes down to it, it is all just a form of stonewalling.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

I asked a simple question. Which you did not answer.

The truth is that your position is ideological. "doing the work" would be a waste of time, because you would simply dismiss any and all information that doesn't fit your ideological narrative.


That is why you did not answer. Because you want to ask "questions" and spew shit, but when it comes down to it, it is all just a form of stonewalling.

Bullshit. I did answer. I said bring it on. Where is it? My position is scientific, not idiological. I asked you why it matters why someone is gay or if it is a result of being molested . I know where you are comming from. Be honest. You want to prove that gays are made and not born. IT DOES NOT MATTER! They are who tehy are. Get the **** over it!

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Homosexuality is compulsive behavior, much like drinking and drugs.

This is why Interventions are needed to help convince people with this compulsion to seek treatment.

You know pal, I have to admit, there is someting that I can't figure out about you. I do not know if you are really as stupid as you appear to be, if you are just blinded by your fear and bigotry, or if you are just a troll playing a sick game and pushing buttons who knowns that he is full of shit. Never mind, I do not expect an honest or coherent answer.

 

[Correll]

Bullshit. I did answer. I said bring it on. Where is it? My position is scientific, not idiological. I asked you why it matters why someone is gay or if it is a result of being molested . I know where you are comming from. Be honest. You want to prove that gays are made and not born. IT DOES NOT MATTER! They are who tehy are. Get the **** over it!

My question was not whether you would be willing to stonewall against it. I know that.


My question was, would you admit to it meaning anything. You did not answer that.

Because the answer is, that your position is based solely on ideology, not reality or data or science, or anything really, other than toeing the party line.