Movement in Staten Island to Secede

[Couchpotato]

The Constitution.

U.S. Constitution — Article IV, Section 4

“The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and … against domestic Violence.”

NYC and its constituent boroughs are arms of the State. Thus, where a new Mayor in NYC is a “democratic socialist,” and the crazy leftist City Council might as well be seen as a rubber stamp for that Mayor, unless the crazy stupid NYS Governor steps in, NYS will be in violation of the U.S. Constitution.

Wait and see.

Note: we aren’t talking about political parties. We are talking about the FORM of government.

So the real question is “by what right can anyone object to Staten Island seceding?”

I acknowledge that it might be a little premature. It will take time to see if the State complies with its obligation to the People under the U.S. Constitution.

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Nothing in the Constitution bars the NYC from electing a socialist to be mayor. They could elect a dead horse to be the Mayor and the Constitution would have nothing to say about it.

 

[BackAgain]

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Nothing in the Constitution bars the NYC from electing a socialist to be mayor. They could elect a dead horse to be the Mayor and the Constitution would have nothing to say about it.

Not what I was saying. A small r republican form of government is required for NY State, as I said.

And each locality within a State is an arm of that State. Therefore, if this socialist mayor-elect and the NY shitty Council fail to behave accordingly, and deny the residents of NY City that form of government, then the State will be in violation of the Constitution.

I didn’t claim that NY Ciry can’t have a socialist Mayor. Of course they can. But he will still have to operate under the strictures of a republican form of government.

And if the State (ie, the Governor) doesn’t intercede, the borough of Richmond County (Staten Island) might seek to secede and it could be justified.

 

[Couchpotato]

Not what I was saying. A small r republican form of government is required for NY State, as I said.

And each locality within a State is an arm of that State. Therefore, if this socialist mayor-elect and the NY shitty Council fail to behave accordingly, and deny the residents of NY City that form of government, then the State will be in violation of the Constitution.

That's not what the Constitution says. And no it doesnt. You seriously need to read up on what a republican government is.

I didn’t claim that NY Ciry can’t have a socialist Mayor. Of course they can. But he will still have to operate under the strictures of a republican form of government.

Who's saying he gets to do anything other than govern within the confines of the laws of the City and State of New York?

And if the State (ie, the Governor) doesn’t intercede, the borough of Richmond County (Staten Island) might seek to secede and it could be justified.

Based on what? They dont like Mamdani? I'll ask again. What's the limiting principle here? If I dont like the Mayor or Governor of my state do I get to just secede and thus not be under their jurisdiction? Awesome. I think I'll just secede from all Governments other than the one I create at my house. I shouldnt have to pay taxes anymore right since Im not part of the city, state or nation.

 

[SweetSue92]

They can choose what they want. Then you can stumble over yourself figuring out if you care or not.

Is that your main point here or was there something else?

No. My main point is that you seem to think that socialism can work if all the people with means are allowed to leave.

Well?

 

[Lisa558]

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Nothing in the Constitution bars the NYC from electing a socialist to be mayor. They could elect a dead horse to be the Mayor and the Constitution would have nothing to say about it.

So the way to avoid antisemitic, anti-American Islamics elected to office is to stop allowing them to come in here and becoming citizens. If not for the massive influx of Muslims into NYC, the Jew-hating socialist would not be mayor.

 

[Lisa558]

No. My main point is that you seem to think that socialism can work if all the people with means are allowed to leave.

Well?

And it’s so easy for them to leave! Just rent an apartment in NJ or LI and live there 6 months plus a day a year.

That’s what all the snowbirds in FL do now anyway.

 

[XponentialChaos]

No. My main point is that you seem to think that socialism can work if all the people with means are allowed to leave.

Well?

I seem to think that? When did I say anything like that?

I think you confused yourself again.

 

[BackAgain]

That's not what the Constitution says.

That is an indefinite pronoun. But yes, the Constitution Does absolutely require the states to provide a republican form of government.

And no it doesnt.

It? What are you referring to. Use your words.

You seriously need to read up on what a republican government is.

I already know. Perhaps you should engage in a bit of study.

Who's saying he gets to do anything other than govern within the confines of the laws of the City and State of New York?

I didn’t say he gets to. My entire proposition was based on a hypothetical. And it’s not like some officials haven’t tried to actively disobey the Constitution in the past.