Most of the civilized world thinks Hamas are terrorists

[GLASNOST]

one mans terrorist are another's freedom fighter Glasnost

so all we're really debating here are semantics....

~S~

I don't really agree. Definitions need no debate and the definition of "terrorism" is fairly clear. Either you are or you're not. As John Le Carré wrote, "You can't be less ruthless than the opposition". So Hamas (the Palestinians) have been left with no choice. The bombing of the King David Hotel set the stage as the United Nations stood by doing nothing. No rules apply. In fact, Menachem Begin became the 6th. Prime Minister of Israel and the UN did nothing. No rules apply. The same with the lie about WMDs in Irak. A nation was illegally invaded, it was occupied, and a million innocent men, women, and children were tortured, raped, and murdered ....... again the United Nations stands by and does nothing about the war crimes committed and the enforcement of the Geneva Convention Rules. No rules apply. Hamas is simply responding to the UN's lack of concern. No rules apply. Unpunished terrorism can only be met with terrorism in response. No rules apply.

 

[cnm]

The IDF has been going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties for decades.

Lol. The ICJ made that clear, all right.

 

[rylah]

I don't really agree. Definitions need no debate and the definition of "terrorism" is fairly clear. Either you are or you're not. As John Le Carré wrote, "You can't be less ruthless than the opposition". So Hamas (the Palestinians) have been left with no choice. The bombing of the King David Hotel set the stage as the United Nations stood by doing nothing. No rules apply. In fact, Menachem Begin became the 6th. Prime Minister of Israel and the UN did nothing. No rules apply. The same with the lie about WMDs in Irak. A nation was illegally invaded, it was occupied, and a million innocent men, women, and children were tortured, raped, and murdered ....... again the United Nations stands by and does nothing about the war crimes committed and the enforcement of the Geneva Convention Rules. No rules apply. Hamas is simply responding to the UN's lack of concern. No rules apply. Unpunished terrorism can only be met with terrorism in response. No rules apply.

That argument contradicts your position.
Because there's a clear moral and tactical difference.

PM Begin wasn't a coward hiding in tunnels, but a man of honor
who went out there to fight the enemy. And not for the death
of his people to be devalued for cheap propaganda, but in
their defense - to win the war, rather than to prolong it,
and took the responsibility to build a functioning state.

A concept too complex for Gaza's rapists.

 

[surada]

Without Likud, Jews Are Licked

Infidel freedom began with Begin.

Christians, Jews and Muslims are not infidels.

 

[surada]

That argument contradicts your position.
Because there's a clear moral and tactical difference.

PM Begin wasn't a coward hiding in tunnels, but a man of honor
who went out there to fight the enemy. And not for the death
of his people to be devalued for cheap propaganda, but in
their defense - to win the war, rather than to prolong it,
and took the responsibility to build a functioning state.

A concept too complex for Gaza's rapists.

As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine. Later, the Irgun fought the Arabs during the 1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine and, as its chief, Begin was described by the British government as the "leader of the notorious terrorist organisation".
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia › wiki
Menachem Begin - Wikipedia

 

[rylah]

Christians, Jews and Muslims are not infidels.

That's exactly what you say to infidels , in reality...

 

[Roudy]

As head of the Irgun, he targeted the British in Palestine. Later, the Irgun fought the Arabs during the 1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine and, as its chief, Begin was described by the British government as the "leader of the notorious terrorist organisation".
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia › wiki
Menachem Begin - Wikipedia

He fought the British and then the genocidal Arabs, what seems to be the problem?

 

[Roudy]

That's exactly what you say to infidels , in reality...

”Islam is peaceful”.

 

[rylah]

Reminds me of Vietnam.

Israel never sent its army to another continent.

The only scenario in which that comparison makes sense,
is if the Left overseas considers Hamas its proxy against Israel.

Which is a sad realization,
but makes Vietnam a comparison,
not in the Hamas favor, rather the opposite.

 

[surada]

That's exactly what you say to infidels , in reality...

All three believe in the creator God of Abraham.

 

[gipper]

Russia has been doing much worse things than Israel. Russia has been deliberately targeting Ukrainian civilians just like Hamas and Hezbollah has been targeting Israeli civilians. Both are war crimes. The IDF has been going out of its way to avoid civilian casualties for decades.

Proving once again how little you know.

 

[GLASNOST]

PM Begin wasn't a coward hiding in tunnels, but a man of honor

So Begin's terrorist bombing of innocent people in the King David Hotel was an act of honor and the Zionist Nazi pigs who are being killed as we speak are at the hand of people hiding in tunnels. Yeah, sure.

 

[GLASNOST]

Israel never sent its army to another continent.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[rylah]

So Begin's terrorist bombing of innocent people in the King David Hotel was an act of honor and the Zionist Nazi pigs who are being killed as we speak are at the hand of people hiding in tunnels. Yeah, sure.

Didn't you know it was the British military headquarters?
And there's contradicting reporting of warning ahead.

Back to your silly argument about "no rules"...
go on shoot your other foot, what else?

 

[Roudy]

There was no Palestinian nation, there was an Ottoman Empire that controlled the region for 600 years and they never mentioned a Palestine or Palestinian people. They did invite the Jews in the 1500’s to ciome back and restore in their homeland. The Ottomans fell after WWI and the British took over.

The Palestinian Mufti was a Nazi and on Hitler‘s payroll who wanted to commit genocide on the Jews in their own religious and ancestral homeland. The animals have tried over and over and failed every time. Begin and other armed groups were a response to the genocidal campaigns incited by the Mufti, starting with the Hebron massacre of 1920’s. Oct. 7 was the latest iteration and yet another failure as Hamas has been obliterated and Israel has taken control of Gaza.

Hitler's Mufti

Recent work by historians and apologists has revealed that an influential, international religious leader was also an ardent supporter of Adolf Hitler. His name was not Pope Pius XII but Hajj Amin al-Husseini.

www.catholic.com

 

[cnm]

He fought the British and then the genocidal Arabs, what seems to be the problem?

You're supporting a terrorist.

 

[Roudy]

You're supporting a terrorist.

I like the desperation in these Hamas ass lickers, when confronted with the truth about the barbaric subhuman animals they‘re supporting. It’s always irrelevant, false comparisons / justifications. Let’s review…

Here is a list of countries that have rightly designated Hamas as subhuman terrorist animals.

“Hamas is widely popular in Palestinian society due to its anti-Israeli stance. The organization has carried out attacks against Israeli civilians, including suicide bombings and indiscriminate rocket attacks. These actions have led human rights groups to accuse it of war crimes, and Australia, Canada, Israel, Japan, Paraguay, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union[45] to designateHamas as a terrorist organization.”​

 

[cnm]

I like the desperation in these Hamas ass lickers, when confronted with the truth about the barbaric subhuman animals they‘re supporting. It’s always irrelevant, false comparisons / justifications. Let’s review…

Here is a list of countries that have rightly designated Hamas as subhuman terrorist animals.​

​

“Hamas is widely popular in Palestinian society due to its anti-Israeli stance. The organization has carried out attacks against Israeli civilians, including suicide bombings and indiscriminate rocket attacks. These actions have led human rights groups to accuse it of war crimes, and Australia, Canada, Israel, Japan, Paraguay, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union[45] to designateHamas as a terrorist organization.”​

A tiny portion of the world, at the US's insistence, led by its nose by Israel. Most of the world would consider the Israelis to be terrorists.

I certainly believe the Master Race Israelis indulge in terror and genocide.

 

[Kruska]

Except under the rules of war AS THEY EXISTED THEN, the Germans couldn’t legally just sink neutral shipping carrying war material. They had to stop and capture it and then send the ship into a neutral port to be condemned by a maritime court. Unrestricted submarine warfare was a war crime then.

The issue is that "nobody" cares about "rules of war" - it's therefore about the later persecution of war-crimes. Usually only conducted by the "victors".
The Allied naval blockade of the German coastline and it's harbors - thus causing starvation amongst German civilians was a war-crime just as well, same goes for allied ships attacking German merchant vessels, and so on.

As for the e.g. Lusitania.

The Lusitania was carrying a cargo of ammo and shells (together about 173 tons), and the Germans who had circulated warnings (kind of like Israel - we will bomb you tomorrow at 05:00) that the ship would be sunk, felt themselves fully justified in attacking a vessel that was furthering the war aims of their enemy. The German government also felt that, in view of the vulnerability of U-boats while on the surface and the British announcement of intentions to arm merchant ships, prior warning of potential targets was impractical.

The U-boot threat was known and the Lusitania was therefore advised to alter course and go zigzagging - both where ignored by the captain.

 

[Kruska]

Israel never sent its army to another continent.

Right because according to you, Entebbe in Uganda belongs to the Middle-East.
And Cherbourg in France (stealing torpedo boats via IDF personal) also belongs to the Middle-East.

Also you have clearly no knowledge about IDF supported operations in the 70'ies to 80'ies in regards to joint operations with the RSA and other countries, in regards to Mozambique. Neither about IDF personal involved in Singapore and Sri-Lanka, aka Asia and South-East-Asia.