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I know I've seen people promoted due to affirmative action (Both race and gender) who didn't earn it. That's what causes resentment in white people. I know one place I recently worked, I and another white person were passed up for an AA hire. Then we ended up doing most of her work because she couldn't handle it.
Bullshit. So Joe tell me, when have whites been given ANYTHING based solely on merit?
That's a lie Joe. How do you know that person was promoted because of AA? It is against the law for an employer to give out that kind of information. So you guys must have assumed that. Whites have gotten AA since the country started. Yet you live in s delusion whereby everything whites get has been earned on merit.
So if the person who promoted that individual told you they did so because of AA, you should have filed a lawsuit.
No you really can't argue that. Because you do not know if you were the best qualified and most white employers are not going to tell you that you were hired because they don't hire blacks.I could argue my entire career has been on my merits.
I was the first member of my family to graduate from college. I did this by working two minimum wage jobs and serving in the National Guard.
I think went on to serve in the military full time. I was promoted several times and recognized for my accomplishments.
As for my 30 year post military career, I've worked hard, gained new skills, went back to school numerous times to get additional training and education. I've also made about half a dozen career mistakes... but I find that you learn far more from your failures than your successes.
No you really can't argue that. Because you do not know if you were the best qualified and most white employers are not going to tell you that you were hired because they don't hire blacks.
Because it is illegal. The boss should not be telling employees that they prompted someone because of anything but their job performance. You do not know that person was hired because of affirmative action. You make the same racist claims about it as Lisa but you call yourself chastising her. I can respect Lisa, because at least she is honest and upfront about her racism. You assume AA hires are all unqualified or that admittees into college due to AA are all dumber than whites. I asked you when have whites earned ANYTHING based on merit. Try answering the question because this issue is not only about you.Why would I do that?
If I don't like the way a company is treating me... then I send out a resume and get a better job. I'm certainly not going to make them like me better by suing them.
I know this person was hired because of AA because she couldn't do her job! That means that someone looked at my Resume, the other fellow's resume (with both of us already proven records of working for this company), and no doubt dozens of other resumes and said, "This person is the best possible candidate!" There is simply no rational universe that would happen.
Black cops shoot black people. It’s insane for you to think every time a black person doesnt get something it is because of race. Not all white people get all those things either. Nobody tries to prove how violent blacks are. When you constantly post how whitey is the most violent, some whites show proof that it’s not true. You bring up shit that SOME whites did to blacks in the past, mostly before a lot of whites today were even born. Yes, you DO try to prove how violent white people are.Let’s say I am racist ?
You still get the job.
You still get the car.
You still get the house.
Your kids still get the college of their choice.
So how does me or any blk person being racist affect your life ?
Black ppl have done nothing to whites. You are assuming that we think like white ppl.
If we had a blk hospital and a white person needed treatment. We would treat that white person and we wouldn’t use whites as Guinea pigs in blk hospitals, the same way whites use blks as guinea pigs in white hospitals
We would not run around trying to prove how stupid and violent white ppl are. The same way white ppl r always running around trying to prove how stupid n violent blk ppl are
We would not allow a blk Police force to blow the Brains out of unarmed white ppl and walk free. The same way white pplallow a white police force to blow the brains out of blk ppl n walk free.
Black ppl could never treat white ppl. The way whites have treated blk ppl
God just didn’t make us that way. He just didn’t give us that heart.
Remember blk ppl don’t have that racial insecurity which would cause us to mistreat whites as a group. The way whites do with blks.
But they do struggle as much. Asians as a group are propped up by a few high earning Indians who are beneficiaries of the H1B Visa program, while the vast majority are poor. Whites have labelled all Asians by just a few high earners and try using that as you are doing to deny racism. Hispanics are struggling too.Again, your argument would be valid if Asians and Hispanics struggled just as much.
If racism was so prevalent, how do you explain how well Asians do?
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You say dumbs blks are getting into universities with lower scores than whites
Ok. Show it. Show me FIRST HAND SOURCES FROM THE UNIVERSITY were they state that’s the case.
Remember white ppl had no problem with “Whites Only” signs so if they believe in something they show it. So show it.
First hand. You understand ? First hand
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Because it is illegal. The boss should not be telling employees that they prompted someone because of anything but their job performance. You do not know that person was hired because of affirmative action. You make the same racist claims about it as Lisa but you call yourself chastising her.
I can respect Lisa, because at least she is honest and upfront about her racism.
You assume AA hires are all unqualified or that admittees into college due to AA are all dumber than whites.
Last time I checked, I'm white.I asked you when have whites earned ANYTHING based on merit. Try answering the question because this issue is not only about you.
But they do struggle as much. Asians as a group are propped up by a few high earning Indians who are beneficiaries of the H1B Visa program, while the vast majority are poor. Whites have labelled all Asians by just a few high earners and try using that as you are doing to deny racism. Hispanics are struggling too.
White privilege is getting to make a Black Death thread and it stays open while any thread challenging whites to do something about racism gets closed.
At one point I wanted to be a CHP officer. I took the test and scored in the 99th percentile. I was in fourth place on the list. When I asked when I could expect to be called to go to the academy, I was told, we aren't hiring anything except minorities for the foreseeable future to meet court-ordered racial balance mandates. The CHP hired several hundred officers that year. I was never called.No you really can't argue that. Because you do not know if you were the best qualified and most white employers are not going to tell you that you were hired because they don't hire blacks.
Not sure what a CHP officer is, but I remember DECADES ago - I bet it’s been 30 years, at least - when the police put out an announcement that the goal was that at least 50% of new hires would be black. Two obvious problems with that:At one point I wanted to be a CHP officer. I took the test and scored in the 99th percentile. I was in fourth place on the list. When I asked when I could expect to be called to go to the academy, I was told, we aren't hiring anything except minorities for the foreseeable future to meet court-ordered racial balance mandates. The CHP hired several hundred officers that year. I was never called.
Do you know why they were ordered by the court?At one point I wanted to be a CHP officer. I took the test and scored in the 99th percentile. I was in fourth place on the list. When I asked when I could expect to be called to go to the academy, I was told, we aren't hiring anything except minorities for the foreseeable future to meet court-ordered racial balance mandates. The CHP hired several hundred officers that year. I was never called.
That's because the county had been practicing racial discrimination.Not sure what a CHP officer is, but I remember DECADES ago - I bet it’s been 30 years, at least - when the police put out an announcement that the goal was that at least 50% of new hires would be black. Two obvious problems with that:
1) In a county where only about 15% of residents were black, saying at least half of all new hires will be black means that a black was given almost a 3:1 advantage over a similarly qualified white. Racist right there.
2) That phrase “at least 50%” could also mean 60%, 70%, or every single new hire except for one token white. It was racist then, and this type of this is continuing and is every bit as racist now.
Again we are not talking about your narrow view. I've worked jobs where we had to carry unqualified whites who could not do the job, but this conversation is about the big picture and when you talk about Asians you are not talking about the majority. Asians have the widest wealth gap of any group and whites are real quick to use Asians in arguments about race to deny things. Asian scholars have consistently pointed out this error.Really? Hasn't been my experience. I've known a whole range of Asian Americans, and most of them have good jobs. I've honestly never had to wonder if an Asian-American was a AA hire. They've all been really good at their jobs, or if they started out, they grew into it.
I knew one fellow from the Philippines, who in addition to being a recent immigrant, also had a disability the required him to use crutches or a wheelchair. Yet despite all that, he worked hard and had a pretty good job. Another lady I knew from Japan, who actually could have done really well working for a Japanese company, but wanted to work for an American company because there were more opportunities for women.
THreads get closed all the time...
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Again we are not talking about your narrow view. I've worked jobs where we had to carry unqualified whites who could not do the job, but this conversation is about the big picture and when you talk about Asians you are not talking about the majority. Asians have the widest wealth gap of any group and whites are real quick to use Asians in arguments about race to deny things. Asian scholars have consistently pointed out this error.
I just learned recently that a white man created the term “model minority” to describe Japanese Americans as a way of pitting them against Black Americans. Japanese Americans were terrified that they would be put in concentration camps again and thus went through life as quietly as they could.
My ancestors had to go through hell and then pretend it didn’t happen. Now Asian Americans have to deal with this term unfairly and act a certain way (studious, quiet, smart, nerdy) or else they’re looked down upon. This term and its history must be publicized so that people can be educated that its purpose is to divide POC and pit us against each other when we should be banding together and uniting to fight our oppression.
In fact, amongst poor Asian Americans, Southeast Asians face some of the highest poverty rates in the whole country. Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles conducted a study on income sources, home foreclosures and housing burden. The study indicated that Southeast Asians in the United States have consistently relied on food stamps for many decades.
At one point I wanted to be a CHP officer. I took the test and scored in the 99th percentile. I was in fourth place on the list. When I asked when I could expect to be called to go to the academy, I was told, we aren't hiring anything except minorities for the foreseeable future to meet court-ordered racial balance mandates. The CHP hired several hundred officers that year. I was never called.
