More proof that Sara HATES women

[bigdaddygtr]

I find it hilarious that women out there love Palin when she absolutely hates you. I also love the fact that Palin acts as if she didn't know about this law. So, if she did then she hates women and if she didn't, then she's very incompetent(well, we all know that!)

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/09/16-8

 

[bigdaddygtr]

Now c'mon Republican's, lets see the BS spin

 

[del]

Now c'mon Republican's, lets see the BS spin

zzzzzzzz...

 

[Jon]

Welcome to last week, when we had this discussion.

 

[frazzledgear]

I find it hilarious that women out there love Palin when she absolutely hates you. I also love the fact that Palin acts as if she didn't know about this law. So, if she did then she hates women and if she didn't, then she's very incompetent(well, we all know that!)

A Culture of Violence Against Women: More Than Rape Kits | CommonDreams.org

This was addressed on another thread. You MIGHT want to consider getting your "news" from a real news source. Your link is political smear tool. There is a reason this "story" hasn't been glommed onto by reliable media sources -its because this "story" is actually a conglomeration of two bs stories that have nothing to do with what you are pretending it does.

Wasilla City Council did pass a law that required crime victims (not just rape victims) to be billed for any forensic work needed during the course of that crime investigation. No crime victim and certainly no rape victim was actually billed by the city or EVER asked to pay a red cent -because the intention of this bill was never to try to get crime victims to foot the bill for forensic work.

The bill was passed as a means of trying to force the state legislature to set aside the necessary funds for small towns with small budgets that could not afford to pay for forensic work needed during the course of crime investigation after repeated requests were ignored. At that time, forensics cost between $1800-$8000 depending on the crime (it is much higher today). In spite of repeated requests to the state legislature, nothing was done -until AFTER this bill was passed. And what the state legislature did in response occurred shortly after Palin became Mayor. In response, the state legislature permanently included in the state budget the necessary funds to assist small towns with paying for forensic work needed during the course of crime investigation. At the same time the state legislature passed a bill and the then-governor of Alaska signed that bill into law forbidding the practice of billing crime victims for forensic work, specifically including the cost of rape kits.

Wasilla isn't the only Alaskan small town to have benefitted from this although it took Wasilla to get the state legislature to actually do something about it.

The smear mongers have actually used another story in combination with parts of the above. Years before Palin was Mayor, the Chief of Police instituted the policy (this was NEVER a law) of billing a rape victim's health insurance for the rape kit as part of the ER visit. An ER visit following a rape is billed to the victim's health insurance in every state -along with any supplies needed during the course of that visit. But some states include the cost of a rape kit as part of the supplies used in that bill as their own official policy -which is also the policy everywhere and in every city in MY OWN STATE right now. Since the health insurance of EVERY rape victim is billed for the ER visit and any necessary supplies used in the emergency room in EVERY state -are you seriously going to argue that a rape kit isn't a necessary supply? I would argue that a rape victim would be harmed even further unless a rape kit IS considered a necessary supply during the ER visit -and in fact every emergency room in the country DOES consider a rape kit to be a necessary supply to properly take care of that rape victim.

Health insurance companies have never argued they should not be billed for either the ER visit following a rape OR for the rape kit in those areas and states that do that. If you are injured as a result of being the victim of any other violent crime -its YOUR insurance company that is going to pay for that visit to the ER too. Doesn't matter what crime it is -if you are injured for ANY reason and have to go the ER, it is YOUR health insurance that gets billed for that visit. Not the city's. And your health insurance will also be billed for any necessary supplies used in that ER to properly take care of you.

Since you seem to be so OUTRAGED that the victim's health insurance is also billed for the cost of a rape kit, then you must be arguing that a rape kit ISN'T a necessary ER supply for a rape victim, right? And you think Palin is the 'woman-hater' here?

Notice, by kind of mixing two different stories and deliberately omitting some really important facts -ones that TOTALLY change BOTH of these two stories entirely -you can pretend Palin is the vicious, cold-hearted bitch you wanted to portray her to be, right? But how does it feel to be used as a tool?

 

[ABikerSailor]

Listen, you think it is right to charge someone who had a crime committed against them (rape), and then be charged for the rape kit? You've gotta be kidding me......if ANYONE should be charged, it should be the perp, not the victim.

That would be like the police charging you for the gas and paper when they write a report after you've been robbed.

 

[Jon]

Listen, you think it is right to charge someone who had a crime committed against them (rape), and then be charged for the rape kit?

No, but I think it's right that someone who falsely claims they were raped to foot the bill for the expensive tests that must be performed.

 

[Chris]

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - The state has long suffered the highest sexual assault rate in the nation, and the problem is worst in rural areas, according to a report released Tuesday.

The numbers are unacceptable, troopers said at a news conference Tuesday detailing the study.

"Each of us has a role in ending sexual violence in Alaska," said trooper Col. Audie Holloway. "We need to think into the future."

In nearly 1,000 cases studied over two years, the average age of victims was 16, while the average age of those accused was 29. In four out of five cases, the suspects were relatives, friends or acquaintances.

Overall, 89 percent of the victims were female. One out of three cases were reported more than a month after the abuse occurred, leaving evidence hard to collect.

The study, conducted by the University of Alaska Anchorage's Justice Center, looked at 989 sexual assault cases reported to state troopers in 2003 and 2004. Researchers did not look at cases reported in the same period to municipal police departments, including those in Anchorage or other urban centers that account for 80 percent of Alaska's 670,000 residents.

Overall, 46 percent of the cases were referred for prosecution. Of those 452 cases, about half resulted in convictions.

The study is believed to represent only a fraction of abuse actually committed in trooper jurisdiction. Still, Alaska has had the nation's highest per capita occurrence since 1995. According to statewide figures for 2003 and 2004 alone, there were 89 rapes per 100,000 people, almost three times the national average of 32 per 100,000, said Andre Rosay, the Justice Center's interim director.

http://media.www.dailyiowan.com/med...ape.Rate.Is.Nearly.3.Times.Us.A-3175559.shtml

 

[ABikerSailor]

Hey, if they make a false report, not only should they be billed for whatever they used, but they should also have to serve some time in the pokey. Remember the Runaway Bride that went and hid out in New Mexico?

But......if there was a real crime committed, then the perp, not the victim, is who should be charged. Palin did a blanket policy, at the urging of the Police Chief.

Nope.....that was a bad decision.

 

[xsited1]

Fortunately for Palin, Wasilla is so small that rapes were virtually non-existent when she served as Mayor.

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - .....

Troopers target sexual violence in Alaska, where rape rate is nearly 3 times US average - Nation

QUERY: How many rape victims were billed by Mayor Palin's police force?

 

[DiveCon]

I find it hilarious that women out there love Palin when she absolutely hates you. I also love the fact that Palin acts as if she didn't know about this law. So, if she did then she hates women and if she didn't, then she's very incompetent(well, we all know that!)

A Culture of Violence Against Women: More Than Rape Kits | CommonDreams.org

never trust commondreams.org
it lies

 

[DiveCon]

QUERY: How many rape victims were billed by Mayor Palin's police force?

LOL
chris/kirk and facts dont have a speaking relationship

 

[frazzledgear]

Listen, you think it is right to charge someone who had a crime committed against them (rape), and then be charged for the rape kit? You've gotta be kidding me......if ANYONE should be charged, it should be the perp, not the victim.

That would be like the police charging you for the gas and paper when they write a report after you've been robbed.

You don't get it. If you are injured as a victim of ANY violent crime and have to go the ER or require hospitalization -your health insurance company is the one that's footing the bill for that medical care. It doesn't matter what the crime is -rape, drive-by shooting, knifing. Is it any more "fair" to bill someone's health insurance when they were the victim of a drive-by? Is it any more "fair" when the parent's health insurance is billed for the ER visit after their child was beaten unconcious by an unknown person?

The whole point of having health insurance is to cover your healthcare costs NO MATTER WHY you need it -even if it is due to being the victim of a violent crime. No city foots the bill for the ER costs for the victim of ANY violent crime -or they would be permanently bankrupt within a few months. For some weird reason you seem to think that if someone is the victim of THIS particular kind of crime over all others -her health insurance shouldn't be required to pay for her medical care! It doesn't matter WHY she needed to be seen in the ER -her health insurance exists for that very purpose -to pay for it.

So the argument here isn't whether its "fair" because someone's health insurance gets billed when they go the ER as the victim of a violent crime. EVERYONE'S health insurance is billed for that and being a rape victim is no different from being the victim of any other violent crime when it comes to billing health insurance.

The REAL argument is only whether you believe a rape kit is part of the necessary ER supplies used to take proper care of a rape victim or not. Those squealing about the fact that health insurance is billed for it in many places -are clearly insisting it is NOT a necessary supply to properly care for rape victims in the ER.

 

[frazzledgear]

QUERY: How many rape victims were billed by Mayor Palin's police force?

Zero. Because the policy wasn't about billing rape victims in the first place -it was billing their healthcare insurance for the cost of a rape kit along with her medical care in the ER.

 

[frazzledgear]

I find it hilarious that women out there love Palin when she absolutely hates you. I also love the fact that Palin acts as if she didn't know about this law. So, if she did then she hates women and if she didn't, then she's very incompetent(well, we all know that!)

A Culture of Violence Against Women: More Than Rape Kits | CommonDreams.org

I would find it hilarious that there really are such ignorant and gullible people out there like you -except its just so darn sad.

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

I bet if more women could handle a gun like Gov Palin they wouldn't need to worry about the cost of a rape kit.

 

[DiveCon]

Zero.

hey, that was a question for chris/kirk to answer, now you hae given it to him for free

 

[user_name_guest]

In order to be a woman, you have to be rape according to bigdaddygtr. She hates women because she charges you when you get rape.