More problems for the lithium mines.....

[justoffal]

Besides being very water intense lithium mining also creates a number of other problems for the environment and for society in general. So does coal mining by the way; It is also very destructive to the environment. So let's get that out of the way right off the bat. Lithium mining however is particularly disadvantageous to the surrounding ecosystem especially with the current methods of using brine water to drive the lithium out of the Earth so that it can be captured in large drying beds above ground which are environmental disasters. Additionally it has created a doc economy that enslaves children as young as 4 years old in countries that are doing the mining. Once again let's repeat the simple fact of thermodynamics.. there's no such thing as a free ride.

Jo

Carbon Footprint of Lithium-Ion Battery Production (vs Gasoline, Lead-Acid)

Carbon Footprint of Lithium Ion Battery Production Explained. Carbon Footprint of Charging Phone and Carbon Footprint of Car Battery Compared.

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[Synthaholic]

Good thing sodium batteries and zinc batteries are gaining in popularity.

It's just continual failures by Republicans and Right-Wingers: harp on one thing that you are just positive is going to doom the thing that you're against, only to have the rug pulled out from under you when that thing isn't depended upon for success.

 

[justoffal]

Good thing sodium batteries and zinc batteries are gaining in popularity.

It's just continual failures by Republicans and Right-Wingers: harp on one thing that you are just positive is going to doom the thing that you're against, only to have the rug pulled out from under you when that thing isn't depended upon for success.

Both of those also have mining complications associated with them by the way and this is a completely non-political subject. I have no interest in either party's position on these things my only interest is in exposing the extreme damage being done to the environment and to the globe in general by the false concept of green energy. This is no way exonerates hydrocarbons by the way it only demonstrates that green energy is a scam.

Once again repeat after me.

There is no such thing as a free ride.

Jo

 

[Oddball]

Besides being very water intense lithium mining also creates a number of other problems for the environment and for society in general. So does coal mining by the way; It is also very destructive to the environment. So let's get that out of the way right off the bat. Lithium mining however is particularly disadvantageous to the surrounding ecosystem especially with the current methods of using brine water to drive the lithium out of the Earth so that it can be captured in large drying beds above ground which are environmental disasters. Additionally it has created a doc economy that enslaves children as young as 4 years old in countries that are doing the mining. Once again let's repeat the simple fact of thermodynamics.. there's no such thing as a free ride.

Jo

Carbon Footprint of Lithium-Ion Battery Production (vs Gasoline, Lead-Acid)

Carbon Footprint of Lithium Ion Battery Production Explained. Carbon Footprint of Charging Phone and Carbon Footprint of Car Battery Compared.

8billiontrees.com

Greenie moonbats don't do externalities.

 

[Synthaholic]

There is no such thing as a free ride.

Sunlight is free.

 

[Synthaholic]

There are trillions of pounds of lithium in the oceans, ready to be extracted.

 

[Yarddog]

Good thing sodium batteries and zinc batteries are gaining in popularity.

It's just continual failures by Republicans and Right-Wingers: harp on one thing that you are just positive is going to doom the thing that you're against, only to have the rug pulled out from under you when that thing isn't depended upon for success.

well maybe then a great thing to do then would be to perfect these EV batteries long before you start mass producing them and creating all these mines around the world. U.S. politicians dont think that way though, they would rather make up quotas first and tell us how they are going to save the planet in X-number of years. Details like lithium mines are just messy little details for
someone else to worry about.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Nevada is investing heavily into lithium mining in that state.

 

[justoffal]

Sunlight is free.

For tanning yes.....for Solar Power....no...

JO

 

[justoffal]

Nevada is investing heavily into lithium mining in that state.

I am sure there is money to be made

 

[justoffal]

There are trillions of pounds of lithium in the oceans, ready to be extracted.

What is the method for that?

JO

 

[Synthaholic]

well maybe then a great thing to do then would be to perfect these EV batteries long before you start mass producing them and creating all these mines around the world. U.S. politicians dont think that way though, they would rather make up quotas first and tell us how they are going to save the planet in X-number of years. Details like lithium mines are just messy little details for
someone else to worry about.

U.S. politicians aren't manufacturing EV batteries.

 

[Synthaholic]

For tanning yes.....for Solar Power....no...

JO

It is once you buy the solar panels. Just like a days out on the water are free once you buy the boat. Cost of admission.

 

[Synthaholic]

What is the method for that?

JO

Is your Google broken? And I was wrong: it's not a trillion pounds, it's 230 billion tons.

Lihytech uses patented ceramic membrane-based lithium extraction technology, developed by KAUST's Professor Zhiping Lai, to harvest the alkali metal from seawater, brine, red mud and other sources. Seawater contains 230 billion tons of lithium, compared to just 21 million tons in conventional land-based reserves.Feb 3, 2023

KAUST spinout will extract lithium from seawater - The Engineer

A new venture between King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) and Saudi mining company Ma’aden will use seawater as a source of lithium.

www.theengineer.co.uk

 

[justoffal]

Is your Google broken? And I was wrong: it's not a trillion pounds, it's 230 billion tons.

Lihytech uses patented ceramic membrane-based lithium extraction technology, developed by KAUST's Professor Zhiping Lai, to harvest the alkali metal from seawater, brine, red mud and other sources. Seawater contains 230 billion tons of lithium, compared to just 21 million tons in conventional land-based reserves.Feb 3, 2023

KAUST spinout will extract lithium from seawater - The Engineer

A new venture between King Abdullah University of Science and Technology (KAUST) and Saudi mining company Ma’aden will use seawater as a source of lithium.

www.theengineer.co.uk

Sounds a bit cleaner than the land method.

Jo

 

[Synthaholic]

Sounds a bit cleaner than the land method.

Jo

I don't like it being the fucking Saudis developing this, though. They know their oil days are numbered and want to corner the replacement.

 

[badger2]

Both of those also have mining complications associated with them by the way and this is a completely non-political subject. I have no interest in either party's position on these things my only interest is in exposing the extreme damage being done to the environment and to the globe in general by the false concept of green energy. This is no way exonerates hydrocarbons by the way it only demonstrates that green energy is a scam.

Once again repeat after me.

There is no such thing as a free ride.

Jo

It can only be political.

 

[badger2]

Paranoiacs of anti-lithium mining can't seem to think outside the box: lithium mining by default includes extraction from the batteries themselves. In the neighboring county to Thacker Pass, human power will evolve most intelligently with electric-assisted vehicles.

89 MPH

 

[mamooth]

Besides being very water intense lithium mining

Huh?

Pumping out existing brine doesn't use any additional water. Brine is not part of the water table.

Lithium mining however is particularly disadvantageous to the surrounding ecosystem especially with the current methods of using brine water to drive the lithium out of the Earth so that it can be captured in large drying beds above ground which are environmental disasters.

Says who?

Additionally it has created a doc economy that enslaves children as young as 4 years old in countries that are doing the mining.

Cobalt mining isn't lithium mining.

 

[justoffal]

Huh?

Pumping out existing brine doesn't use any additional water. Brine is not part of the water table.


Says who?


Cobalt mining isn't lithium mining.

The Environmental Impacts of Lithium and Cobalt Mining

We cannot talk about the green transition without taking the environmental impacts of lithium and cobalt mining into account.

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Lithium Extraction Environmental Impact · Eco Jungle

Lithium prices doubled in 2018 because of the …

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not only created extreme water shortages, but has also had a substantial impact on the abilities of local farmers to grow crops and maintain livestock.

An additional environmental impact of lithium mining is that it harms soil and contaminates the air and the already limited water supply. In Tibet, for example, Chinese lithium mining has leaked chemicals like hydrochloric acid into the Liqi River, which resulted in the poisoning of fish and the killing of livestock. Similar consequences are being seen within the Lithium Triangle already. In Chile, local inhabitants have criticized mining companies for polluting their waters and covering their landscapes in blankets of discarded salt. In Argentina, natives of the Salta and Catamarca provinces have alleged that the operations of lithium mining companies have contaminated the streams that are used by humans and livestock and for the purposes of crop irrigation.

However, advocates of lithium mining maintain that lithium-ion batteries are essential in the fight against the adverse effects of global warming. The rechargeable battery has a relatively high power density that enables it to store more energy for longer periods of time. Electric automakers like Tesla are pushing drivers to adopt clean, battery-powered replacements for combustion engines. More electric cars on the road would be a powerful way to combat climate change by producing fewer greenhouse gases and emissions. The Department of Energy estimates that the carbon pollution of electric vehicles is 60 percent lower than that of gasoline-powered cars. In a clean-energy state like California, it would be 80 percent lower.

Saving the planet, however, should not come at the cost of destroying fragile ecosystems. Lithium mining cannot be considered a long-term or just solution if it contributes to water depletion and air pollution, which have severe and disparate impacts for local communities that are already struggling in many ways to make ends meet.

A Battery-Powered Future​

Lithium mining is in need of much reform if it is to be universally beneficial as a practice. The biggest players in lithium mining must commit to principles of transparency and cooperation with the local governments of the Lithium Triangle. Chile, Argentina, and Bolivia could lead efforts in researching and organizing data that sheds light on the impacts of mining and extraction. Progress has already been made on that front, as in Chile, the Atacama People’s Council has set up monitoring stations in a lagoon on its salt flat in order to track changing water levels. Further developments can and should be made in that regard to ensure that the green revolution does not endanger the people and environments it promises to protect.