More History Before 1967

[Gardener]

Could it be, Georgie Boy, because the Egyptians and Jordanians didn't care about these particular Arabs do did nothing to elevate their lot when it comes to such things as putting in infrastructure? Meanwhile, I don't think you realize, being the anti-Semite you are, how the Arabs in the territories must have been up in arms that the Jews were going to administer the areas. We can chip in, Georgie Boy, and send you to Israel where you can ask the Arabs if they prefer to live in Israel or in any other Middle East country. I know that Georgie Boy will like to accommodate the viewers and give them another Israeli newspapers report on this.

they didn't put in lots of new roads but they also didn't steal tens of thosuands of acres of land, destroy thousands of hoems, built tons of walls and barbwire fences.

i wonder who the palestinian people like more, isreael or jordan?

 

[Hossfly]

Could it be, Georgie Boy, because the Egyptians and Jordanians didn't care about these particular Arabs do did nothing to elevate their lot when it comes to such things as putting in infrastructure? Meanwhile, I don't think you realize, being the anti-Semite you are, how the Arabs in the territories must have been up in arms that the Jews were going to administer the areas. We can chip in, Georgie Boy, and send you to Israel where you can ask the Arabs if they prefer to live in Israel or in any other Middle East country. I know that Georgie Boy will like to accommodate the viewers and give them another Israeli newspapers report on this.

they didn't put in lots of new roads but they also didn't steal tens of thosuands of acres of land, destroy thousands of hoems, built tons of walls and barbwire fences.

i wonder who the palestinian people like more, isreael or jordan?

Now how would you know? Are you trying to tell us you were there to see what happened? You mean that you didn't get an inoculation against infectious diseases like the other Arabs did when the Jews started administering the territories? By the way, Gardener, how many of you are posting? In some of the posts, the English grammar and spelling is pretty fine, but in others it looks like someone failed the ESL course. And I doubt one person is sitting all day long reading and then answering posts.

 

[Gardener]

Now how would you know? Are you trying to tell us you were there to see what happened? You mean that you didn't get an inoculation against infectious diseases like the other Arabs did when the Jews started administering the territories? By the way, Gardener, how many of you are posting? In some of the posts, the English grammar and spelling is pretty fine, but in others it looks like someone failed the ESL course. And I doubt one person is sitting all day long reading and then answering posts.

oh ok lets talk about my typieing abiolities and not the topic.

that's smart, friendo.

 

[Hossfly]

Now how would you know? Are you trying to tell us you were there to see what happened? You mean that you didn't get an inoculation against infectious diseases like the other Arabs did when the Jews started administering the territories? By the way, Gardener, how many of you are posting? In some of the posts, the English grammar and spelling is pretty fine, but in others it looks like someone failed the ESL course. And I doubt one person is sitting all day long reading and then answering posts.

oh ok lets talk about my typieing abiolities and not the topic.

that's smart, friendo.

You keep going, going, going all day long like the Energizer Bunny, but it's strange that it appears that there are two different people posting -- one who knows English fairly well and the other who has to continue with his ESL class. Meanwhile, the Israelis did much for the Arabs when they took over including raising their life expectancy and giving them one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East. I realize that Gardener doesn't want to hear about this and would rather give us some baloney as to how kind the Egyptians and Jordanians were to the "Palestinians" Arabs and gave them so much that they could live decently.

 

[georgephillip]

And now Gardener is going to explain to us why these Arabs who are calling themselves Palestinians now never raised their voices and demanded a state when Jordan and Egypt were administering the two territories. Was it because they didn't mind that other Arabs were governing them, but they couldn't stand the thought of Jews administering those two areas?

Possibly because Jordan and Egypt weren't stealing the land and water resources of Palestinians while constructing a pair of apartheid walls?

"Another brick in Israel's apartheid wall

"A new bill being promoted by Israel's ministerial comittee, which essentially legalizes discrimination against minorities in Israel, demonstrates the vigorously anti-democratic spirit of Israel's new government."

Another brick in Israel's apartheid wall - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz

Could it be, Georgie Boy, because the Egyptians and Jordanians didn't care about these particular Arabs do did nothing to elevate their lot when it comes to such things as putting in infrastructure? Meanwhile, I don't think you realize, being the anti-Semite you are, how the Arabs in the territories must have been up in arms that the Jews were going to administer the areas. We can chip in, Georgie Boy, and send you to Israel where you can ask the Arabs if they prefer to live in Israel or in any other Middle East country. I know that Georgie Boy will like to accommodate the viewers and give them another Israeli newspapers report on this.

"Israeli Apartheid Week is an annual series of university lectures and rallies of the Israeli situation with the Palestinians held in February or March.

"According to the organization, "[t]he aim of IAW is to educate people about the nature of Israel as an apartheid system and to build Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaigns as part of a growing global BDS movement".[1]

"It began in Toronto in 2005 and, by 2010, spread to 55 cities around the world including locations in Canada, the United Kingdom, the United States, South Africa, the West Bank, Mexico, Norway and Australia.[2][3][4][5][6][7]"

Israeli Apartheid Week - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Possibly because Jordan and Egypt weren't stealing the land and water resources of Palestinians while constructing a pair of apartheid walls?

"Another brick in Israel's apartheid wall

"A new bill being promoted by Israel's ministerial comittee, which essentially legalizes discrimination against minorities in Israel, demonstrates the vigorously anti-democratic spirit of Israel's new government."

Another brick in Israel's apartheid wall - Opinion - Israel News | Haaretz

Could it be, Georgie Boy, because the Egyptians and Jordanians didn't care about these particular Arabs do did nothing to elevate their lot when it comes to such things as putting in infrastructure? Meanwhile, I don't think you realize, being the anti-Semite you are, how the Arabs in the territories must have been up in arms that the Jews were going to administer the areas. We can chip in, Georgie Boy, and send you to Israel where you can ask the Arabs if they prefer to live in Israel or in any other Middle East country. I know that Georgie Boy will like to accommodate the viewers and give them another Israeli newspapers report on this.

"Israeli Apartheid Week is an annual series of university lectures and rallies of the Israeli situation with the Palestinians held in February or March.

"According to the organization, "[t]he aim of IAW is to educate people about the nature of Israel as an apartheid system and to build Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaigns as part of a growing global BDS movement".[1]

"It began in Toronto in 2005 and, by 2010, spread to 55 cities around the world including locations in Canada, the United Kingdom, the United States, South Africa, the West Bank, Mexico, Norway and Australia.[2][3][4][5][6][7]"

Israeli Apartheid Week - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course we all know that Israel practices no apartheid.
This has been proved time and time again on the forum.

It is a term used by the ignorant.
​

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByMufgpcdnI]The Palestinian Wall of Lies - YouTube[/ame]

 

[ForeverYoung436]

The borders proposed by resolution 181 never became borders.

Israel was defined by armistice lines that were specifically not to be political or territorial boundaries. The UN does not recognize any real borders for Israel because Israel has no borders.

you got a link with evidencee?

israel has no official borders wit egypt?

israel has no official borders with jordan?

israel has no official borders with lebanon?

haa haaaa!!!!!! OMG whrre do u get this stuff?

Armistice lines.

As Rocco explained, Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan were fixed as a result of her peace treaties with them.

 

[Gardener]

Of course we all know that Israel practices no apartheid.
This has been proved time and time again on the forum.

It is a term used by the ignorant.
​

The Palestine

israeel has a collectibe system of discrimination laws and policies that togetehr equal a form of apatheid.

palestinians cannot move to israel if they marry an israeli.

isael demolishes palestinian homes and steals palestinioan land to build israeli homes.

israel steals palestinian land to build isaeli schools, roads, walls, fences, but does niothing for the palestuinians.

this is aparhtied.

 

[Gardener]

You keep going, going, going all day long like the Energizer Bunny, but it's strange that it appears that there are two different people posting -- one who knows English fairly well and the other who has to continue with his ESL class. Meanwhile, the Israelis did much for the Arabs when they took over including raising their life expectancy and giving them one of the highest standards of living in the Middle East. I realize that Gardener doesn't want to hear about this and would rather give us some baloney as to how kind the Egyptians and Jordanians were to the "Palestinians" Arabs and gave them so much that they could live decently.

an thats why the israelis love israel more than jordan./

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Of course we all know that Israel practices no apartheid.
This has been proved time and time again on the forum.

It is a term used by the ignorant.
​

The Palestine

israeel has a collectibe system of discrimination laws and policies that togetehr equal a form of apatheid.

palestinians cannot move to israel if they marry an israeli.

isael demolishes palestinian homes and steals palestinioan land to build israeli homes.

israel steals palestinian land to build isaeli schools, roads, walls, fences, but does niothing for the palestuinians.

this is aparhtied.

Not many Palestinians and Israelis are intermarrying, as a result of the animosity between the two groups, as well as the fact that both Islam and Judaism prohibit intermarriage.

 

[P F Tinmore]

you got a link with evidencee?

israel has no official borders wit egypt?

israel has no official borders with jordan?

israel has no official borders with lebanon?

haa haaaa!!!!!! OMG whrre do u get this stuff?

Armistice lines.

As Rocco explained, Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan were fixed as a result of her peace treaties with them.

Israel cannot acquire Palestinian borders by agreements with Egypt and Jordan.

 

[RoccoR]

Gardener, et al,

Yeah, the idea of "apartheid" is a domestic issue, not an international issue.

israeel has a collectibe system of discrimination laws and policies that togetehr equal a form of apatheid.

(COMMENT)

My understanding is that, inside Israel, there is no difference in the law between the citizens (Jewish or Arab). In fact, neither Jewish or Arab is a race; which is a key element of the law. An Arab can be Jewish, or Jews can be Arab.

• The Jewish are an ethno-religious group of sorts.
• An Israeli is a nationality (can be Arab or other).
• To be Arab is a culture, all speakers of Arabic

.

The crime of "apartheid" means acts committed by one racial group over any other racial group. There is no racial laws in Israel. No society is without internal friction between different cultures, but that is not "apartheid."

palestinians cannot move to israel if they marry an israeli.

(COMMENT)

First: This is an immigration matter. The crime of "apartheid" does not impact national immigration laws. Any nation has the right to control its borders.

Second: What is being said here is that there is no automatic citizenship passed on through marriage. So what. This translates to:

• A non-citizen cannot (does not have the right to) move to israel if (just because) they marry an israeli (citizen).

I'm not a specialist in immigration law, but I am given to understand that there is such a thing as an "Israeli spousal visa or partner visa, given to the spouse, civil partner or de facto partner of a resident or Israeli citizen." I would contact Consular Services.

SPECIAL NOTE: (NATIONALITY LAW, 5712-1952* PART ONE: ACQUISITION OF NATIONALITY - Para 7) The spouse of a person who is an Israel national or who has applied for Israel nationality and meets or is exempt from the Requirements of Section 5 (a) may obtain Israel nationality by naturalisation even if she or he is a minor or does not meet the requirements of section (5) (a).​

I am also given to understand that:

Any gentile, be he Arab or from any other origin, who wishes to settle in Israel, may do so if he meets the requirements set forth in the Law of Entry to Israel (1952) and the Law of Citizenship (1952), regarding naturalization. These requirements are similar to those stated in the laws of most countries.

SOURCE: The Law of Return- 1950

isael demolishes palestinian homes and steals palestinioan land to build israeli homes.

(COMMENT)

This claim, appears to apply to the ground called (layman's terms) "the Occupied Territories." While there are cases in which the Palestinian may have a legitimate grievance with the Occupation Power, on matters of acquisition land management, this is not the same as "apartheid."

israel steals palestinian land to build isaeli schools, roads, walls, fences, but does niothing for the palestuinians.

this is aparhtied.

(COMMENT)

This is not "apartheid." This is not something undertaken to separate one racial group of Israeli Citizens from another racial group of Israeli Citizens.

First, There is no "racial" component here at all.

Second: The building of infrastructure is not the responsibility of the Occupation Force. That is the responsibility of the Palestinian people.

(DISCLAIMER)

Again, I am not an expert (in any way, shape or form) on Israeli Immigration. But, the Israel MFA has experts at every Consular Station. That would be my first stop.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is purely a Palestinian Claim. It has no basis in law.

Armistice lines.

As Rocco explained, Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan were fixed as a result of her peace treaties with them.

Israel cannot acquire Palestinian borders by agreements with Egypt and Jordan.

(COMMENT)

The Treaties are between Israel and the respective countries (Egypt and Jordan). The Palestinians were not party to the Treaty and have no say in the Treaty, as they were not a sovereignty involved in the agreement.

Treaties are on file with the UN and so recognized as valid and in force. No adjacent state has a Treaty in recognition of the State of Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

Armistice lines.

As Rocco explained, Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan were fixed as a result of her peace treaties with them.

Israel cannot acquire Palestinian borders by agreements with Egypt and Jordan.

Tinmore, why is is that you make these claims as if you know what you're talking about ?

We've already showed you information regarding Israels borders with Egypt and Jordan. You have provided ZERO documents or articles to contradict what we have said.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Could it be, Georgie Boy, because the Egyptians and Jordanians didn't care about these particular Arabs do did nothing to elevate their lot when it comes to such things as putting in infrastructure? Meanwhile, I don't think you realize, being the anti-Semite you are, how the Arabs in the territories must have been up in arms that the Jews were going to administer the areas. We can chip in, Georgie Boy, and send you to Israel where you can ask the Arabs if they prefer to live in Israel or in any other Middle East country. I know that Georgie Boy will like to accommodate the viewers and give them another Israeli newspapers report on this.

"Israeli Apartheid Week is an annual series of university lectures and rallies of the Israeli situation with the Palestinians held in February or March.

"According to the organization, "[t]he aim of IAW is to educate people about the nature of Israel as an apartheid system and to build Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaigns as part of a growing global BDS movement".[1]

"It began in Toronto in 2005 and, by 2010, spread to 55 cities around the world including locations in Canada, the United Kingdom, the United States, South Africa, the West Bank, Mexico, Norway and Australia.[2][3][4][5][6][7]"

Israeli Apartheid Week - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course we all know that Israel practices no apartheid.
This has been proved time and time again on the forum.

It is a term used by the ignorant.
​

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByMufgpcdnI]The Palestinian Wall of Lies - YouTube[/ame]

Another load of crap from that lying sack of crap, David Horowitz.

Not a Muslim.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4lir-1kR-s]Dr Ghada Karmi @ Israeli Apartheid Week, Middlesex University - UK - YouTube[/ame]

Not a Muslim.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAKOtINJHWw]Diana Buttu: Palestinian Refugee Rights & Negotiations - YouTube[/ame]

Not a Muslim.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddwkhffVcbo]Rafeef Ziadah on Palestine, Israel and justice - YouTube[/ame]

 

[toastman]

If David Horowitz is a lying sack of crap, what does that make you Tinnie ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

As Rocco explained, Israel's borders with Egypt and Jordan were fixed as a result of her peace treaties with them.

Israel cannot acquire Palestinian borders by agreements with Egypt and Jordan.

Tinmore, why is is that you make these claims as if you know what you're talking about ?

We've already showed you information regarding Israels borders with Egypt and Jordan. You have provided ZERO documents or articles to contradict what we have said.

It is a matter of law. Why does Israel negotiate borders with Palestine? Because Palestine is the only one who can change Palestine's borders.

Can Germany and Italy sign a treaty saying they have a mutual border in the middle of France?

 

[P F Tinmore]

If David Horowitz is a lying sack of crap, what does that make you Tinnie ?

The exposer of a lying sack of crap.

 

[toastman]

Israel cannot acquire Palestinian borders by agreements with Egypt and Jordan.

Tinmore, why is is that you make these claims as if you know what you're talking about ?

We've already showed you information regarding Israels borders with Egypt and Jordan. You have provided ZERO documents or articles to contradict what we have said.

It is a matter of law. Why does Israel negotiate borders with Palestine? Because Palestine is the only one who can change Palestine's borders.

Can Germany and Italy sign a treaty saying they have a mutual border in the middle of France?

That is a claim. You have zero evidence to back it up. You provided ZERO evidence that suggests the treaties that gave Israel borders with Egypt and Jordan are null. because the Palestinians didn;t agree with it. \Where your link ?

 

[toastman]

Israel cannot acquire Palestinian borders by agreements with Egypt and Jordan.

Tinmore, why is is that you make these claims as if you know what you're talking about ?

We've already showed you information regarding Israels borders with Egypt and Jordan. You have provided ZERO documents or articles to contradict what we have said.

It is a matter of law. Why does Israel negotiate borders with Palestine? Because Palestine is the only one who can change Palestine's borders.

Can Germany and Italy sign a treaty saying they have a mutual border in the middle of France?

Completely different since Germany, ITaly and France are all recognized countries.