Moderates

[Mac1958]

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Come on folks, claiming that a Far Right and a Far Left don't exist is as silly as those here who claim PC doesn't exist.

Politics is a continuum, some folks are more conservative than others, some are more liberal than others.

Those on the ends would be considered Far Right and Far Left.

Does this really need to be said?

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No one is semi-conservative... nor are they mostly liberal.

Understand friend, that we're not talking about the pure adherence to any thing. As no one is capable of that.

What we're discussing is the recognition of the principles... and the strength of character to admit that one has fallen short of those principles when such occurs, without the need to dismiss the principle out of the pretentious need to believe that because one fails to live up to the principle that its the principle's fault; that such is therefore 'unfair'.

THAT 'feeling' is the perversion of human reasoning OKA: The Left. And there are no Leftists who sometimes recognize natural principle and sometimes do not. The Leftist rejects the principle, because they have been trained to reject the objectivity required to recognize the principle; they literally resent the idea that nature's principles exist at all.

So please... let's not delude ourselves into believing that 'reasonable' falls into the category which merges equal amounts of right and wrong. Because... THAT is what is OKA: Delusion. And we don't want to go THERE.

LOL! I mean after all, when someone goes THERE, they're a Leftist.

See how that works?

Believe your eyes Mac. The leftist was asked to define the "Far-Right" and it produced a fantasy. This is because there was no practical definition available.

There's a reason for that... and guess what that is.

There's a wide range of opinions across the political spectrum, virtually all of which held by people who believe they are "right".

Some people (those on the ends of the spectrum) are absolutely convinced that theirs is the only set of principles and ideas that are absolutely right for America. The rest of us - the majority of us - are a bit more humble about our beliefs and feel that there is not "one way" to look at it, that absolutes are rarely possible in a world of nuance.

So people on the other end of the spectrum from you are just as convinced that they have all the answers, as you are.

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[BULLDOG]

The "Far Right"....those who value individual rights and freedoms....believe the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are 2 of the greatest man made documents ever created and believe that the ideas of limited government, a government of separated powers, is the best way to keep government from destroying freedoms. The Far Right actually believes in the Bill of Rights and the freedoms that are listed there....only listed because they are not given to us by the Constitution or the Bill of Rights, they are ours by simply being human beings.

The Far Right believes in "LEGAL" immigration....with the assimilation of American values that are the values which allowed this country to become the most powerful, most free and most just country on Earth in just over 200 years. Speaking for myself, I enjoy all people who come here from around the world who want a chance to find freedom and success here....but we have to have actual legal procedures to do that in an orderly manner, that doesn't destroy the very freedoms those individuals are seeking when they come here....

The Far Right actually believes that all men and women are created equal.....we do not support the racism inherent in the democrat party that sees any one with a different skin color as a ward of the state....which they control....

Equality of justice before the law is also Far Right....regardless of skin color or place in society....

Those are some of the things a Far Right individual such as myself believes....

We are not the Borg Collective....sadly, the democrats embrace assimilation into the hive mind that is the state....

If you truly value individual rights, then how do you justify wanting the government to control what individuals choose to do in the privacy of their own bedrooms?

 

[BULLDOG]

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Come on folks, claiming that a Far Right and a Far Left don't exist is as silly as those here who claim PC doesn't exist.

Politics is a continuum, some folks are more conservative than others, some are more liberal than others.

Those on the ends would be considered Far Right and Far Left.

Does this really need to be said?

.

No one is semi-conservative... nor are they mostly liberal.

Understand friend, that we're not talking about the pure adherence to any thing. As no one is capable of that.

What we're discussing is the recognition of the principles... and the strength of character to admit that one has fallen short of those principles when such occurs, without the need to dismiss the principle out of the pretentious need to believe that because one fails to live up to the principle that its the principle's fault; that such is therefore 'unfair'.

THAT 'feeling' is the perversion of human reasoning OKA: The Left. And there are no Leftists who sometimes recognize natural principle and sometimes do not. The Leftist rejects the principle, because they have been trained to reject the objectivity required to recognize the principle; they literally resent the idea that nature's principles exist at all.

So please... let's not delude ourselves into believing that 'reasonable' falls into the category which merges equal amounts of right and wrong. Because... THAT is what is OKA: Delusion. And we don't want to go THERE.

LOL! I mean after all, when someone goes THERE, they're a Leftist.

See how that works?

Believe your eyes Mac. The leftist was asked to define the "Far-Right" and it produced a fantasy. This is because there was no practical definition available.

There's a reason for that... and guess what that is.

There's a wide range of opinions across the political spectrum, virtually all of which held by people who believe they are "right".

Some people (those on the ends of the spectrum) are absolutely convinced that theirs is the only set of principles and ideas that are absolutely right for America. The rest of us - the majority of us - are a bit more humble about our beliefs and feel that there is not "one way" to look at it, that absolutes are rarely possible in a world of nuance.

So people on the other end of the spectrum from you are just as convinced that they have all the answers, as you are.

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There is some truth to what you say. The problem, now, is that the far right end of the spectrum has a death grip on all their politicians who are not the least bit humble (your word) in the way they have turned our political system into a fascist circus.

 

[2aguy]

Me personally, I don't...except for abortion. Those who really want to regulate that are lean more statist on that topic than other conservatives. But these things should be discussed...freely....we all live together and have to make allowances for certain things that we do.....

And if you think some conservatives want to regulate the bedroom wait till the libs/progressives/democrats get around to it.....homosexuals think they have friends...just wait.....you can see it in the sex codes on college campuses...where the lefty/libs/progressives want signed permission slips between grown adults for sex, they want people to identify their gender preferences, their sexual preferences.....believe me....if someone wants to regulate how much pop you can drink, what kind of toilet you can have, what kind of butter you can have on your popcorn....they will regulate your sex life....right now...they need the money and votes from the homosexuals....but they will turn their statist desires on them as well.....they are foolish to believe otherwise....

 

[2aguy]

Yeah....those crazy right wingers...they want the government to tax us less, waste less money, spend less money, follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.....wow, they are just nuts.....those Tea Party/Conservatives/Libertarians....just crazy......

Don't they know that the government is supposed to assume all control over the individuals life so they can actually be free.....

Resistance is Futile........

 

[BULLDOG]

Me personally, I don't...except for abortion. Those who really want to regulate that are lean more statist on that topic than other conservatives. But these things should be discussed...freely....we all live together and have to make allowances for certain things that we do.....

And if you think some conservatives want to regulate the bedroom wait till the libs/progressives/democrats get around to it.....homosexuals think they have friends...just wait.....you can see it in the sex codes on college campuses...where the lefty/libs/progressives want signed permission slips between grown adults for sex, they want people to identify their gender preferences, their sexual preferences.....believe me....if someone wants to regulate how much pop you can drink, what kind of toilet you can have, what kind of butter you can have on your popcorn....they will regulate your sex life....right now...they need the money and votes from the homosexuals....but they will turn their statist desires on them as well.....they are foolish to believe otherwise....

So you are deathly afraid of things you and a few others claim might happen in the future, but don't really care about the craziness being thrust into law by the right currently? That's not a reasonable thing to do.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

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Come on folks, claiming that a Far Right and a Far Left don't exist is as silly as those here who claim PC doesn't exist.

Politics is a continuum, some folks are more conservative than others, some are more liberal than others.

Those on the ends would be considered Far Right and Far Left.

Does this really need to be said?

.

No one is semi-conservative... nor are they mostly liberal.

Understand friend, that we're not talking about the pure adherence to any thing. As no one is capable of that.

What we're discussing is the recognition of the principles... and the strength of character to admit that one has fallen short of those principles when such occurs, without the need to dismiss the principle out of the pretentious need to believe that because one fails to live up to the principle that its the principle's fault; that such is therefore 'unfair'.

THAT 'feeling' is the perversion of human reasoning OKA: The Left. And there are no Leftists who sometimes recognize natural principle and sometimes do not. The Leftist rejects the principle, because they have been trained to reject the objectivity required to recognize the principle; they literally resent the idea that nature's principles exist at all.

So please... let's not delude ourselves into believing that 'reasonable' falls into the category which merges equal amounts of right and wrong. Because... THAT is what is OKA: Delusion. And we don't want to go THERE.

LOL! I mean after all, when someone goes THERE, they're a Leftist.

See how that works?

Believe your eyes Mac. The leftist was asked to define the "Far-Right" and it produced a fantasy. This is because there was no practical definition available.

There's a reason for that... and guess what that is.

There's a wide range of opinions across the political spectrum, virtually all of which held by people who believe they are "right".

Some people (those on the ends of the spectrum) are absolutely convinced that theirs is the only set of principles and ideas that are absolutely right for America. The rest of us - the majority of us - are a bit more humble about our beliefs and feel that there is not "one way" to look at it, that absolutes are rarely possible in a world of nuance.

So people on the other end of the spectrum from you are just as convinced that they have all the answers, as you are.

.

There is some truth to what you say. The problem, now, is that the far right end of the spectrum has a death grip on all their politicians who are not the least bit humble (your word) in the way they have turned our political system into a fascist circus.

There is no 'far-right' end of the spectrum. Human reasoning is not linear... despite the attempts by the intellectually less fortunate, to make it appear to be such.

Look around your universe... see if you can find anything in nature which is comprised through a straight line. If you're even basically intelligent you will see that nature flows outward and inward and without exception develops a globe to accommodate those respective paths.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

So you are deathly afraid of things you and a few others claim might happen in the future, but don't really care about the craziness being thrust into law by the right currently? That's not a reasonable thing to do.

What would be an example of 'the craziness being thrust into law by the right', SPECIFICALLY?

(There will be no examples of thrusting craziness... forthcoming. Because ... it doesn't actually exist.)

 

[2aguy]

Me personally, I don't...except for abortion. Those who really want to regulate that are lean more statist on that topic than other conservatives. But these things should be discussed...freely....we all live together and have to make allowances for certain things that we do.....

And if you think some conservatives want to regulate the bedroom wait till the libs/progressives/democrats get around to it.....homosexuals think they have friends...just wait.....you can see it in the sex codes on college campuses...where the lefty/libs/progressives want signed permission slips between grown adults for sex, they want people to identify their gender preferences, their sexual preferences.....believe me....if someone wants to regulate how much pop you can drink, what kind of toilet you can have, what kind of butter you can have on your popcorn....they will regulate your sex life....right now...they need the money and votes from the homosexuals....but they will turn their statist desires on them as well.....they are foolish to believe otherwise....

So you are deathly afraid of things you and a few others claim might happen in the future, but don't really care about the craziness being thrust into law by the right currently? That's not a reasonable thing to do.

What craziness...exactly....? Wanting to secure the border? Wanting lower taxes? Lower government spending? Wow....they are just nuts aren't they...? That they don't want bakers forced out of business because they refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings? You know...for all those tolerant gay people.....

 

[BULLDOG]

Yeah....those crazy right wingers...they want the government to tax us less, waste less money, spend less money, follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.....wow, they are just nuts.....those Tea Party/Conservatives/Libertarians....just crazy......

Don't they know that the government is supposed to assume all control over the individuals life so they can actually be free.....

Resistance is Futile........

If the right wingers actually want the things they claim, the way they are going about it is truly crazy. The framers of the constitution didn't intend our country to be run by the super rich and religious nuts. They named it the United States. That implies we all get a fair shot at what the country has to offer.

 

[Where_r_my_Keys]

Yeah....those crazy right wingers...they want the government to tax us less, waste less money, spend less money, follow the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.....wow, they are just nuts.....those Tea Party/Conservatives/Libertarians....just crazy......

Don't they know that the government is supposed to assume all control over the individuals life so they can actually be free.....

Resistance is Futile........

If the right wingers actually want the things they claim, the way they are going about it is truly crazy. The framers of the constitution didn't intend our country to be run by the super rich and religious nuts. They named it the United States. That implies we all get a fair shot at what the country has to offer.

'The United States', only implies that 'the states are united'. The constitution of the United States provides for equality before the law... which implies 'we all get a fair shot', before the law.

The laws of nature, which the Declaration of Independence was written in recognition of our intrinsic God given Rights and the responsibilities set upon each individual which provide that 'we all get a fair shot...', providing that we all adhere to those respective RESPONSIBILITIES which sustain our God given Rights.

Can't get THERE through 'left-think', OKA: Humanism, which axiomatically rejects the objectivity inherent in GOD and individual RESPONSIBILITY.

 

[2aguy]

Well.....you of course didn't point out all the craziness.....

The only reason the super rich are a problem....too many of them are libs....and second, the government has too much power....putting a centralized government in partnership with business is never a good plan.....

But....who creates that problem...the democrats...they create a massive government, that has massive government agencies with the power of the police to regulate and control business activity...so if you can buy the right politicians....then you get control of those agencies...to punish your enemies, stifle your competition and create control over your industry....and the democrats create the centralized government....

Conservatives want a small, limited government constrained by a separation of powers and constrained by checks and balances....this limited government has less power over other people...and there is less need for businesses to try to control it....if people keep the money they earn...and the tax rate on everyone is 15%....no need for special tax loopholes...no need for a monstorous IRS that can be used to attack business rivals.....

Hmmm...who uses the EPA, the IRS, OSHA and the other government agencies to do the bidding of big business....the democrats....

When the Tea Party was trying to get the government okay to assemble for a redress of their grievances....I heard the one woman tell her story....all of a sudden, the IRS, Osha and all the other alphabet agencies started conducting inspections and exams of her business.....it had neve happened before...only when she wanted to start a Tea Party group.....

 

[BULLDOG]

Me personally, I don't...except for abortion. Those who really want to regulate that are lean more statist on that topic than other conservatives. But these things should be discussed...freely....we all live together and have to make allowances for certain things that we do.....

And if you think some conservatives want to regulate the bedroom wait till the libs/progressives/democrats get around to it.....homosexuals think they have friends...just wait.....you can see it in the sex codes on college campuses...where the lefty/libs/progressives want signed permission slips between grown adults for sex, they want people to identify their gender preferences, their sexual preferences.....believe me....if someone wants to regulate how much pop you can drink, what kind of toilet you can have, what kind of butter you can have on your popcorn....they will regulate your sex life....right now...they need the money and votes from the homosexuals....but they will turn their statist desires on them as well.....they are foolish to believe otherwise....

So you are deathly afraid of things you and a few others claim might happen in the future, but don't really care about the craziness being thrust into law by the right currently? That's not a reasonable thing to do.

What craziness...exactly....? Wanting to secure the border? Wanting lower taxes? Lower government spending? Wow....they are just nuts aren't they...? That they don't want bakers forced out of business because they refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings? You know...for all those tolerant gay people.....

1 Everybody wants a reasonable immigration plan. What we have isn't working. Why won't the republican house pass one?
2. Taxes are what pays for our schools, roads, police, the entire infrastructure of our country, and everybody should pay their fair share. They could easily be lowered by reducing giveaways to the rich and to corporations who have become rich through the use of the infrastructure we all paid for.
3. lower spending is similar. Of course there is too much spending. Extremely too much is given to the rich who don't need it. while the right begrudges a poof family decent food and shelter even if they do have a full time job (which often doesn't bring In enough money to supply necessities)
4 We decided long ago that a business doesn't have the right to discriminate. (try googling "Woolworth's lunch counter")

 

[Mac1958]

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Come on folks, claiming that a Far Right and a Far Left don't exist is as silly as those here who claim PC doesn't exist.

Politics is a continuum, some folks are more conservative than others, some are more liberal than others.

Those on the ends would be considered Far Right and Far Left.

Does this really need to be said?

.

No one is semi-conservative... nor are they mostly liberal.

Understand friend, that we're not talking about the pure adherence to any thing. As no one is capable of that.

What we're discussing is the recognition of the principles... and the strength of character to admit that one has fallen short of those principles when such occurs, without the need to dismiss the principle out of the pretentious need to believe that because one fails to live up to the principle that its the principle's fault; that such is therefore 'unfair'.

THAT 'feeling' is the perversion of human reasoning OKA: The Left. And there are no Leftists who sometimes recognize natural principle and sometimes do not. The Leftist rejects the principle, because they have been trained to reject the objectivity required to recognize the principle; they literally resent the idea that nature's principles exist at all.

So please... let's not delude ourselves into believing that 'reasonable' falls into the category which merges equal amounts of right and wrong. Because... THAT is what is OKA: Delusion. And we don't want to go THERE.

LOL! I mean after all, when someone goes THERE, they're a Leftist.

See how that works?

Believe your eyes Mac. The leftist was asked to define the "Far-Right" and it produced a fantasy. This is because there was no practical definition available.

There's a reason for that... and guess what that is.

There's a wide range of opinions across the political spectrum, virtually all of which held by people who believe they are "right".

Some people (those on the ends of the spectrum) are absolutely convinced that theirs is the only set of principles and ideas that are absolutely right for America. The rest of us - the majority of us - are a bit more humble about our beliefs and feel that there is not "one way" to look at it, that absolutes are rarely possible in a world of nuance.

So people on the other end of the spectrum from you are just as convinced that they have all the answers, as you are.

.

There is some truth to what you say. The problem, now, is that the far right end of the spectrum has a death grip on all their politicians who are not the least bit humble (your word) in the way they have turned our political system into a fascist circus.

Here's the weird thing: A poll that I saw just came out had Jeb by far number one with Republicans, with Christie second. That tells me that the far right is one helluva lot louder than the rest of the party, but that's it. They have the noise and the energy, but not the votes.

Poll Bush surges to 2016 GOP frontrunner - CNN.com

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[2aguy]

Me personally, I don't...except for abortion. Those who really want to regulate that are lean more statist on that topic than other conservatives. But these things should be discussed...freely....we all live together and have to make allowances for certain things that we do.....

And if you think some conservatives want to regulate the bedroom wait till the libs/progressives/democrats get around to it.....homosexuals think they have friends...just wait.....you can see it in the sex codes on college campuses...where the lefty/libs/progressives want signed permission slips between grown adults for sex, they want people to identify their gender preferences, their sexual preferences.....believe me....if someone wants to regulate how much pop you can drink, what kind of toilet you can have, what kind of butter you can have on your popcorn....they will regulate your sex life....right now...they need the money and votes from the homosexuals....but they will turn their statist desires on them as well.....they are foolish to believe otherwise....

So you are deathly afraid of things you and a few others claim might happen in the future, but don't really care about the craziness being thrust into law by the right currently? That's not a reasonable thing to do.

What craziness...exactly....? Wanting to secure the border? Wanting lower taxes? Lower government spending? Wow....they are just nuts aren't they...? That they don't want bakers forced out of business because they refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings? You know...for all those tolerant gay people.....

1 Everybody wants a reasonable immigration plan. What we have isn't working. Why won't the republican house pass one?
2. Taxes are what pays for our schools, roads, police, the entire infrastructure of our country, and everybody should pay their fair share. They could easily be lowered by reducing giveaways to the rich and to corporations who have become rich through the use of the infrastructure we all paid for.
3. lower spending is similar. Of course there is too much spending. Extremely too much is given to the rich who don't need it. while the right begrudges a poof family decent food and shelter even if they do have a full time job (which often doesn't bring In enough money to supply necessities)
4 We decided long ago that a business doesn't have the right to discriminate. (try googling "Woolworth's lunch counter")

1) No, the democrats want unlimited immigration....they want new, uneducated, voters who do not speak English...

Conservative/Tea Party members want a secure border so we can control the flow of immigrants into the country so they can become Americans....then we can deal with those who broke the law and jumped ahead of those trying to follow the legal process....

2) Everybody is paying their fair share...the rich don't get give aways...lower the tax rates...all of them...and make it unnecessary for manipulation of the tax code to benefit the powerful...then you won't have to worry about the rich paying their fair share....10% of a billion is more than 10% of 70,000....

3) It isn't given to the rich...they earn that money...you mean how much the government allows them to keep of the money they earn....and we don't begrudge a poor family....we want to take care of those who can't take care of themselves...lower taxes, get government off the backs of businesses and more people will innovate and create new jobs...then the poor will be the wealthiest poor in the world....and everyone will be better off...

4) No...you have decided that the government can decide who gets discriminated against...right now...it is religious people....freedom of the individual, private property rights essentially mean that if you want to use your private property to not serve or serve whoever you want...you have that right...just as your customers have the right to not use your business...the government can't be allowed to force people to do work they do not want to do...seems to me that is a form of slavery.....

 

[2aguy]

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Come on folks, claiming that a Far Right and a Far Left don't exist is as silly as those here who claim PC doesn't exist.

Politics is a continuum, some folks are more conservative than others, some are more liberal than others.

Those on the ends would be considered Far Right and Far Left.

Does this really need to be said?

.

No one is semi-conservative... nor are they mostly liberal.

Understand friend, that we're not talking about the pure adherence to any thing. As no one is capable of that.

What we're discussing is the recognition of the principles... and the strength of character to admit that one has fallen short of those principles when such occurs, without the need to dismiss the principle out of the pretentious need to believe that because one fails to live up to the principle that its the principle's fault; that such is therefore 'unfair'.

THAT 'feeling' is the perversion of human reasoning OKA: The Left. And there are no Leftists who sometimes recognize natural principle and sometimes do not. The Leftist rejects the principle, because they have been trained to reject the objectivity required to recognize the principle; they literally resent the idea that nature's principles exist at all.

So please... let's not delude ourselves into believing that 'reasonable' falls into the category which merges equal amounts of right and wrong. Because... THAT is what is OKA: Delusion. And we don't want to go THERE.

LOL! I mean after all, when someone goes THERE, they're a Leftist.

See how that works?

Believe your eyes Mac. The leftist was asked to define the "Far-Right" and it produced a fantasy. This is because there was no practical definition available.

There's a reason for that... and guess what that is.

There's a wide range of opinions across the political spectrum, virtually all of which held by people who believe they are "right".

Some people (those on the ends of the spectrum) are absolutely convinced that theirs is the only set of principles and ideas that are absolutely right for America. The rest of us - the majority of us - are a bit more humble about our beliefs and feel that there is not "one way" to look at it, that absolutes are rarely possible in a world of nuance.

So people on the other end of the spectrum from you are just as convinced that they have all the answers, as you are.

.

There is some truth to what you say. The problem, now, is that the far right end of the spectrum has a death grip on all their politicians who are not the least bit humble (your word) in the way they have turned our political system into a fascist circus.

Here's the weird thing: A poll that I saw just came out had Jeb by far number one with Republicans, with Christie second. That tells me that the far right is one helluva lot louder than the rest of the party, but that's it. They have the noise and the energy, but not the votes.

Poll Bush surges to 2016 GOP frontrunner - CNN.com

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What the noise about Christie and Bush show you....the moderates don't know how to win elections....it was funny...The guy from RealClearPolitics was on the Dennis Miller radio show...he addressed the Bush question and if he could win the nomination....it was mentioned that he was for amnesty....the guy said well McCain was for amnesty and he won the nomination....then it was mentioned that Romney supported Romneycare...and he won the nomination...

What the guy failed to point out....both McCain and Romney lost their elections for President....as did the other beltway candidate....Dole....

It was reported that Jeb was seeking McCain's advice on how to win the primary while getting past the conservatives.....which shows that he won't win....how do you lose half your base and expect to win...?

 

[BULLDOG]

Me personally, I don't...except for abortion. Those who really want to regulate that are lean more statist on that topic than other conservatives. But these things should be discussed...freely....we all live together and have to make allowances for certain things that we do.....

And if you think some conservatives want to regulate the bedroom wait till the libs/progressives/democrats get around to it.....homosexuals think they have friends...just wait.....you can see it in the sex codes on college campuses...where the lefty/libs/progressives want signed permission slips between grown adults for sex, they want people to identify their gender preferences, their sexual preferences.....believe me....if someone wants to regulate how much pop you can drink, what kind of toilet you can have, what kind of butter you can have on your popcorn....they will regulate your sex life....right now...they need the money and votes from the homosexuals....but they will turn their statist desires on them as well.....they are foolish to believe otherwise....

So you are deathly afraid of things you and a few others claim might happen in the future, but don't really care about the craziness being thrust into law by the right currently? That's not a reasonable thing to do.

What craziness...exactly....? Wanting to secure the border? Wanting lower taxes? Lower government spending? Wow....they are just nuts aren't they...? That they don't want bakers forced out of business because they refuse to bake cakes for gay weddings? You know...for all those tolerant gay people.....

1 Everybody wants a reasonable immigration plan. What we have isn't working. Why won't the republican house pass one?
2. Taxes are what pays for our schools, roads, police, the entire infrastructure of our country, and everybody should pay their fair share. They could easily be lowered by reducing giveaways to the rich and to corporations who have become rich through the use of the infrastructure we all paid for.
3. lower spending is similar. Of course there is too much spending. Extremely too much is given to the rich who don't need it. while the right begrudges a poof family decent food and shelter even if they do have a full time job (which often doesn't bring In enough money to supply necessities)
4 We decided long ago that a business doesn't have the right to discriminate. (try googling "Woolworth's lunch counter")

1) No, the democrats want unlimited immigration....they want new, uneducated, voters who do not speak English...

Conservative/Tea Party members want a secure border so we can control the flow of immigrants into the country so they can become Americans....then we can deal with those who broke the law and jumped ahead of those trying to follow the legal process....

2) Everybody is paying their fair share...the rich don't get give aways...lower the tax rates...all of them...and make it unnecessary for manipulation of the tax code to benefit the powerful...then you won't have to worry about the rich paying their fair share....10% of a billion is more than 10% of 70,000....

3) It isn't given to the rich...they earn that money...you mean how much the government allows them to keep of the money they earn....and we don't begrudge a poor family....we want to take care of those who can't take care of themselves...lower taxes, get government off the backs of businesses and more people will innovate and create new jobs...then the poor will be the wealthiest poor in the world....and everyone will be better off...

4) No...you have decided that the government can decide who gets discriminated against...right now...it is religious people....freedom of the individual, private property rights essentially mean that if you want to use your private property to not serve or serve whoever you want...you have that right...just as your customers have the right to not use your business...the government can't be allowed to force people to do work they do not want to do...seems to me that is a form of slavery.....

So many silly remarks.......So little concern on my part to try to explain where you are wrong. Obviously others have tried to tell you where you are wrong. They couldn't break through your fox bubble, and I'm not in the mood to try.

 

[2aguy]

the whole...they didn't build it because we paid for the infrastructure....you know....businesses pay for that infrastructure too...and usually pay a lot more in taxes than any individual tax payer.....why aren't the massive, draconian taxes they pay part of the equation....besides the charitable giving they also do.....

 

[Mac1958]

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Come on folks, claiming that a Far Right and a Far Left don't exist is as silly as those here who claim PC doesn't exist.

Politics is a continuum, some folks are more conservative than others, some are more liberal than others.

Those on the ends would be considered Far Right and Far Left.

Does this really need to be said?

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No one is semi-conservative... nor are they mostly liberal.

Understand friend, that we're not talking about the pure adherence to any thing. As no one is capable of that.

What we're discussing is the recognition of the principles... and the strength of character to admit that one has fallen short of those principles when such occurs, without the need to dismiss the principle out of the pretentious need to believe that because one fails to live up to the principle that its the principle's fault; that such is therefore 'unfair'.

THAT 'feeling' is the perversion of human reasoning OKA: The Left. And there are no Leftists who sometimes recognize natural principle and sometimes do not. The Leftist rejects the principle, because they have been trained to reject the objectivity required to recognize the principle; they literally resent the idea that nature's principles exist at all.

So please... let's not delude ourselves into believing that 'reasonable' falls into the category which merges equal amounts of right and wrong. Because... THAT is what is OKA: Delusion. And we don't want to go THERE.

LOL! I mean after all, when someone goes THERE, they're a Leftist.

See how that works?

Believe your eyes Mac. The leftist was asked to define the "Far-Right" and it produced a fantasy. This is because there was no practical definition available.

There's a reason for that... and guess what that is.

There's a wide range of opinions across the political spectrum, virtually all of which held by people who believe they are "right".

Some people (those on the ends of the spectrum) are absolutely convinced that theirs is the only set of principles and ideas that are absolutely right for America. The rest of us - the majority of us - are a bit more humble about our beliefs and feel that there is not "one way" to look at it, that absolutes are rarely possible in a world of nuance.

So people on the other end of the spectrum from you are just as convinced that they have all the answers, as you are.

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There is some truth to what you say. The problem, now, is that the far right end of the spectrum has a death grip on all their politicians who are not the least bit humble (your word) in the way they have turned our political system into a fascist circus.

Here's the weird thing: A poll that I saw just came out had Jeb by far number one with Republicans, with Christie second. That tells me that the far right is one helluva lot louder than the rest of the party, but that's it. They have the noise and the energy, but not the votes.

Poll Bush surges to 2016 GOP frontrunner - CNN.com

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What the noise about Christie and Bush show you....the moderates don't know how to win elections....it was funny...The guy from RealClearPolitics was on the Dennis Miller radio show...he addressed the Bush question and if he could win the nomination....it was mentioned that he was for amnesty....the guy said well McCain was for amnesty and he won the nomination....then it was mentioned that Romney supported Romneycare...and he won the nomination...

What the guy failed to point out....both McCain and Romney lost their elections for President....as did the other beltway candidate....Dole....

It was reported that Jeb was seeking McCain's advice on how to win the primary while getting past the conservatives.....which shows that he won't win....how do you lose half your base and expect to win...?

Well, you certainly don't lose half your base and expect to win. So if the base wants the Republican nominee to win, they should just support and vote for that person.

Another good idea would be not to savage him or her like he or she is the enemy, which tends to cause a little damage come general election time.

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[2aguy]

No one is semi-conservative... nor are they mostly liberal.

Understand friend, that we're not talking about the pure adherence to any thing. As no one is capable of that.

What we're discussing is the recognition of the principles... and the strength of character to admit that one has fallen short of those principles when such occurs, without the need to dismiss the principle out of the pretentious need to believe that because one fails to live up to the principle that its the principle's fault; that such is therefore 'unfair'.

THAT 'feeling' is the perversion of human reasoning OKA: The Left. And there are no Leftists who sometimes recognize natural principle and sometimes do not. The Leftist rejects the principle, because they have been trained to reject the objectivity required to recognize the principle; they literally resent the idea that nature's principles exist at all.

So please... let's not delude ourselves into believing that 'reasonable' falls into the category which merges equal amounts of right and wrong. Because... THAT is what is OKA: Delusion. And we don't want to go THERE.

LOL! I mean after all, when someone goes THERE, they're a Leftist.

See how that works?

Believe your eyes Mac. The leftist was asked to define the "Far-Right" and it produced a fantasy. This is because there was no practical definition available.

There's a reason for that... and guess what that is.

There's a wide range of opinions across the political spectrum, virtually all of which held by people who believe they are "right".

Some people (those on the ends of the spectrum) are absolutely convinced that theirs is the only set of principles and ideas that are absolutely right for America. The rest of us - the majority of us - are a bit more humble about our beliefs and feel that there is not "one way" to look at it, that absolutes are rarely possible in a world of nuance.

So people on the other end of the spectrum from you are just as convinced that they have all the answers, as you are.

.

There is some truth to what you say. The problem, now, is that the far right end of the spectrum has a death grip on all their politicians who are not the least bit humble (your word) in the way they have turned our political system into a fascist circus.

Here's the weird thing: A poll that I saw just came out had Jeb by far number one with Republicans, with Christie second. That tells me that the far right is one helluva lot louder than the rest of the party, but that's it. They have the noise and the energy, but not the votes.

Poll Bush surges to 2016 GOP frontrunner - CNN.com

.

What the noise about Christie and Bush show you....the moderates don't know how to win elections....it was funny...The guy from RealClearPolitics was on the Dennis Miller radio show...he addressed the Bush question and if he could win the nomination....it was mentioned that he was for amnesty....the guy said well McCain was for amnesty and he won the nomination....then it was mentioned that Romney supported Romneycare...and he won the nomination...

What the guy failed to point out....both McCain and Romney lost their elections for President....as did the other beltway candidate....Dole....

It was reported that Jeb was seeking McCain's advice on how to win the primary while getting past the conservatives.....which shows that he won't win....how do you lose half your base and expect to win...?

Well, you certainly don't lose half your base and expect to win. So if the base wants the Republican nominee to win, they should just support and vote for that person.

Another good idea would be not to savage him or her like he or she is the enemy, which tends to cause a little damage come general election time.

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The problem...the establishment republicans....in particular John Mccain, felt no need to restrain their attacks on conservatives.....and then he acted surprised when they stayed home...and Romney passed obamacare first...and expected republicans to vote for him....I did, because I knew obama was a hard core, America hating leftist.....but conservatives have been so disparaged by the establishment republicans...even after they win huge victories which empower the establishment republicans...that they get tired of it and won't vote for another "go along to get along" republican.

Why vote for republicans to increase government size and spending slowly, vs. the democrats who will do it in overdrive...I see why...but many republicans are tired of getting nothing for their votes.....