MLB is such a joke

[LA RAM FAN]

Not always. Even 30 years ago far more HOF players stayed with lower stature teams rather than go.

The Twins kept Kirby Puckett for his whole career. Frank Thomas stayed with the white Sox, George Brett in KC, Chipper Jones in Atlanta, Tony Gwynn in San Diego, Craig Biggio and Jeff Bagwell in Houston, Barry Larkin for the Reds, Robin Yount in Milwaukee, cal Ripken in Baltimore…

It’s likely most to all of those guys wouldn’t have stayed with those franchises today.

Indeed,in this day and age they never would have stayed.baseball sucks now because of players jumping all the time not staying their careers with one team anymore.back then every team had as much a shot as the next guy of going to the World Series.now it just a handful every year thst have a shot.

 

[candycorn]

Many small market teams are following the model of the Houston Astros, the best team in Baseball right now.

Lose 100-105 games a year for five years. Stock up on high draft picks at low overall payroll. Then, add a few free agents to fill in the voids

A winning strategy today but those are some long years of bad baseball to suffer through.

 

[multivita-man]

A winning strategy today but those are some long years of bad baseball to suffer through.

It's probably not possible to win 90+ games for more than a season or two if you're in the bottom 5-10 payrolls, but teams can certainly compete if they're willing to spend just a bit more *and* if they have good scouting and coaches who are really good at player development.

The Pirates have consistently been the tightwads of MLB and yet from about 2012-2015 they had teams that were capable of winning pennants. They just couldn't get over the hump in single-elimination games against St. Louis, San Francisco, and Chicago.

They still have talent but some of their star prospects, so the scouting is there; they've just faded due to lack of player development, but maybe 2023 is different. Time will tell. I kinda think the Brewers, Cardinals, and Cubs will start to nip away at them as the season goes on, but who knows...

 

[LA RAM FAN]

It's probably not possible to win 90+ games for more than a season or two if you're in the bottom 5-10 payrolls, but teams can certainly compete if they're willing to spend just a bit more *and* if they have good scouting and coaches who are really good at player development.

The Pirates have consistently been the tightwads of MLB and yet from about 2012-2015 they had teams that were capable of winning pennants. They just couldn't get over the hump in single-elimination games against St. Louis, San Francisco, and Chicago.

They still have talent but some of their star prospects, so the scouting is there; they've just faded due to lack of player development, but maybe 2023 is different. Time will tell. I kinda think the Brewers, Cardinals, and Cubs will start to nip away at them as the season goes on, but who knows...

that was because they had an amazing miracle manager in Clint Hurdle.He could only keep them winning for so long though once they started losing their best players. He could only keep them winning for so long,he isnt a miracle worker.The best manager in the world couldnt keep that team a winner year after year with all the defections they had.

 

[multivita-man]

that was because they had an amazing miracle manager in Clint Hurdle.He could only keep them winning for so long though once they started losing their best players. He could only keep them winning for so long,he isnt a miracle worker.The best manager in the world couldnt keep that team a winner year after year with all the defections they had.

He's a good manager, but the Pirates fell behind in terms of analytics and player development. To be fair, though, a lot of teams did. Now the Pirates and other clubs are starting to catch up in analytics.

Player development? I think that's art more than science. An MIT nerd can come up with relationships between spin on the ball and the strikeout potential for a pitcher if he can throw in the strike zone, but actually getting the pitcher to throw in the strike zone...I think that takes managerial/coaching skill (i.e., sports psychology, encouragement, knowing when he's struggling to recover from a bad outing, and actually coming up with techniques to improve the player)

 

[candycorn]

It's probably not possible to win 90+ games for more than a season or two if you're in the bottom 5-10 payrolls, but teams can certainly compete if they're willing to spend just a bit more *and* if they have good scouting and coaches who are really good at player development.

The Pirates have consistently been the tightwads of MLB and yet from about 2012-2015 they had teams that were capable of winning pennants. They just couldn't get over the hump in single-elimination games against St. Louis, San Francisco, and Chicago.

They still have talent but some of their star prospects, so the scouting is there; they've just faded due to lack of player development, but maybe 2023 is different. Time will tell. I kinda think the Brewers, Cardinals, and Cubs will start to nip away at them as the season goes on, but who knows...

Yep. You may have breakthroughs here and there but they often are a result of your competition imploding.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

MLB so much does suck.the good old days of a Kirby Puckett coming along playing their entire career with the twins or George Brett and frank white with the royals,robin young with the brewers or tony Gwynn with the padres will never happen again,fuck MLB.

 

[Harry Dresden]

MLB so much does suck.the good old days of a Kirby Puckett coming along playing their entire career with the twins or George Brett and frank white with the royals,robin young with the brewers or tony Gwynn with the padres will never happen again,fuck MLB.

why should a great player stay with a team that cant pay big bucks stay there, when lessor players are making twice as much elsewhere?....

 

[Jarlaxle]

Angels need to stop playing Fantasy Baseball where if you have the best players, you will win.

Trout, Puhols now Ohtani……some of the best to play the game
How could they lose?

Because they have no supporting cast.

 

[Jarlaxle]

It's probably not possible to win 90+ games for more than a season or two if you're in the bottom 5-10 payrolls, but teams can certainly compete if they're willing to spend just a bit more *and* if they have good scouting and coaches who are really good at player development.

Uhh...the Tampa Bay Rays would like a word with you.

MLB so much does suck.the good old days of a Kirby Puckett coming along playing their entire career with the twins or George Brett and frank white with the royals,robin young(sic) with the brewers or tony Gwynn with the padres will never happen again,fuck MLB.

One of the best players of his generation has played his entire career for one team. He is signed through age 41; unless traded, he will play his entire career for them.

 

[Meister]

The topic is baseball, not football....or this topic is about MLB, not NFL.

 

[multivita-man]

MLB so much does suck.the good old days of a Kirby Puckett coming along playing their entire career with the twins or George Brett and frank white with the royals,robin young with the brewers or tony Gwynn with the padres will never happen again,fuck MLB.

I don't mind free agency, but they've priced the average fan out of attending games, and nothing brings you into fandom quite like being able to go to a ballpark a few times a year without feeling like you broke the bank. And now all these TV deals that put everything on cable/satellite that's always raising rates.

 

[22lcidw]

I don't mind free agency, but they've priced the average fan out of attending games, and nothing brings you into fandom quite like being able to go to a ballpark a few times a year without feeling like you broke the bank. And now all these TV deals that put everything on cable/satellite that's always raising rates.

The TV deals have helped to cause this. And if purchasing television entertainment packages from cable, satellite and other ways, we pay for it. Even if we do not want it. Cable bills would drop by at least a third if we had choices on just basic packages. Cable is slowly dying and that is a plus.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The last union strike really destroyed baseball. Now the focus for players is being the best they can be so they can to play for a large market team like the Yankees.

Everyone is happy. Players are making more money than ever while Big market teams have more fans and thus more fans are happy, the media sells more goods with ads and people tuning in, and the owners are as rich as ever. Everyone is happy, except the small market fan.

If You're Not a Union Man, You're Not a Man at All. You Are a Manservant.

 

[Fiero425]

MLB payrolls 2023: Full list of every baseball team from highest to lowest

Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion, is not afraid to open the checkbook. Complete list of the 30 payrolls.

www.yahoo.com

Here is the payroll of each team

47
Scott Boeck, USA TODAY
Mon, April 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM EDT


New York Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion in November 2020, is not afraid to open his checkbook.
Cohen has made it clear that he will spend as much money needed to build a contender and did so this offseason. The Mets, who spent nearly $500 million on free agents this winter, have a record $353.5 million opening-day payroll, according to USA TODAY’S annual salary report.
Some of the Mets' offseason signings include starting pitcher Justin Verlander (two years, $86.6 million), closer Edwin Diaz (five years, $102 million), OF Brandon Nimmo (eight years, $162 million) and pitchers Kodai Senga (five years, $75 million).
Where are the New York Yankees? They rank a distant second ($277 million) behind the Mets.
Here's a complete list of the 30 payrolls:
2023 MLB SALARIES: Database of every player on the opening day roster
JACKIE ROBINSON DAY: MLB's percentage of Black players is the lowest since 1955

Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

MLB payrolls in 2023​

1. N.Y. Mets, $353,546,854
2. N.Y. Yankees, $276,999,872
3. San Diego, $248,995,932
4. Philadelphia, $243,009,439
5. L.A. Dodgers, $222,717,834
6. L.A. Angels, $212,228,096
7. Toronto, $ 209,938,983
8. Atlanta, $203,077,500
9. Texas, $195,869,490
10. Houston, $192,667,233
11. San Francisco, $187,932,500
12. Chicago Cubs, $184,219,250
13. Boston, $181,207,484
14. Chicago White Sox, $181,158,666
15. St. Louis, $175,637,308
16. Colorado, $171,108,778
17. Minnesota, $153,588,740
18. Seattle, $137,119,947
19. Detroit, $122,235,500
20. Milwaukee, $118,761,987
21. Arizona, $116,471,292
22. Washington, $ 101,190,153
23. Kansas City, $92,468,100
24. Miami, $91,700,000
25. Cleveland, 89,424,629
26. Cincinnati, $83,610,000
27. Pittsburgh, $73,277,500
28. Tampa Bay, $73,184,811
29. Baltimore, $60,722,300
30. Oakland, $56,895,000

So how can a team like Oakland compete with a team like the Mets?
Insane

Baseball's definitely the biggest joke! Who really watches anymore? A bud went to Cubs game last week! The concessions floored him getting billed over $50 for a beer, glass of wine, & a nachos!

 

[leftwinger]

Another Problem with MLB. Say you are a lifetime fan, always checking boxscores/stats etc. But then your favorite team(s) end up with a MGR that appears to be an idiot, Like the NYY or STL manager at this very moment. If I tune in (I even have the MLB channel, almost all games) if I glance in....I don't seem to have any interest? If things go bad I think to myself....DUH? ownership should know by now they need to get a decent manager. Boone has been there forever? He is a complete mess?

Schildt got fired for losing a tough 1 run WC game to LA. STL actually dominated (but could not score). A late 2-run dinger sent them to the airplane (used a mentally challenged closer). Hence Schildt got the AXE . Now Marmol? He messed up the PHI WC game last year brining in his closer in the 8th with no one left in the pen (but not fired?).

It just seems boring and hopeless. Even the announcers seem to irritate me? "He can rake", "Go yard", "8 for his last 15 in day games >80F" Gapper....screaming on hits. I usually mute it. Yankees have a bossy chick in the booth too. MLB CH highlights are always a hot chick in heels roaming around on the stage gushing over games...usually minority players.

 

[lg325]

MLB payrolls 2023: Full list of every baseball team from highest to lowest

Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion, is not afraid to open the checkbook. Complete list of the 30 payrolls.

www.yahoo.com

Here is the payroll of each team

47
Scott Boeck, USA TODAY
Mon, April 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM EDT


New York Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion in November 2020, is not afraid to open his checkbook.
Cohen has made it clear that he will spend as much money needed to build a contender and did so this offseason. The Mets, who spent nearly $500 million on free agents this winter, have a record $353.5 million opening-day payroll, according to USA TODAY’S annual salary report.
Some of the Mets' offseason signings include starting pitcher Justin Verlander (two years, $86.6 million), closer Edwin Diaz (five years, $102 million), OF Brandon Nimmo (eight years, $162 million) and pitchers Kodai Senga (five years, $75 million).
Where are the New York Yankees? They rank a distant second ($277 million) behind the Mets.
Here's a complete list of the 30 payrolls:
2023 MLB SALARIES: Database of every player on the opening day roster
JACKIE ROBINSON DAY: MLB's percentage of Black players is the lowest since 1955

Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

MLB payrolls in 2023​

1. N.Y. Mets, $353,546,854
2. N.Y. Yankees, $276,999,872
3. San Diego, $248,995,932
4. Philadelphia, $243,009,439
5. L.A. Dodgers, $222,717,834
6. L.A. Angels, $212,228,096
7. Toronto, $ 209,938,983
8. Atlanta, $203,077,500
9. Texas, $195,869,490
10. Houston, $192,667,233
11. San Francisco, $187,932,500
12. Chicago Cubs, $184,219,250
13. Boston, $181,207,484
14. Chicago White Sox, $181,158,666
15. St. Louis, $175,637,308
16. Colorado, $171,108,778
17. Minnesota, $153,588,740
18. Seattle, $137,119,947
19. Detroit, $122,235,500
20. Milwaukee, $118,761,987
21. Arizona, $116,471,292
22. Washington, $ 101,190,153
23. Kansas City, $92,468,100
24. Miami, $91,700,000
25. Cleveland, 89,424,629
26. Cincinnati, $83,610,000
27. Pittsburgh, $73,277,500
28. Tampa Bay, $73,184,811
29. Baltimore, $60,722,300
30. Oakland, $56,895,000

So how can a team like Oakland compete with a team like the Mets?
Insane

And yet Baltimore 29th on the list is doing real well. Just gave the 8th Place Braves a heck of a series. Great game today it just finished the Braves took it in 12 innings.

 

[22lcidw]

And yet Baltimore 29th on the list is doing real well. Just gave the 8th Place Braves a heck of a series. Great game today it just finished the Braves took it in 12 innings.

That is not the norm though. Tampa ay seems to be competitive and is a smaller market team. However, I do not know if its local TV contract is a large one. They certainly do not draw crowds like they should.

 

[sealybobo]

get a wealthier owner....

Or your shitty town shouldn't own a team. LOL.

With profit sharing, I bet even the shitty team's owners make a lot of money. And the value of their team just keeps going up.

It doesn't make any sense. I don't see how they are making so much money they can afford to pay all those guys all that money. But I'm glad the players are getting it and the owner isn't keeping it all like they did back in the 60's, 70's, 80's, etc. I like that the players are getting their fair share.

These players are lucky to have a union.

 

[Flash]

MLB payrolls 2023: Full list of every baseball team from highest to lowest

Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion, is not afraid to open the checkbook. Complete list of the 30 payrolls.

www.yahoo.com

Here is the payroll of each team

47
Scott Boeck, USA TODAY
Mon, April 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM EDT


New York Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion in November 2020, is not afraid to open his checkbook.
Cohen has made it clear that he will spend as much money needed to build a contender and did so this offseason. The Mets, who spent nearly $500 million on free agents this winter, have a record $353.5 million opening-day payroll, according to USA TODAY’S annual salary report.
Some of the Mets' offseason signings include starting pitcher Justin Verlander (two years, $86.6 million), closer Edwin Diaz (five years, $102 million), OF Brandon Nimmo (eight years, $162 million) and pitchers Kodai Senga (five years, $75 million).
Where are the New York Yankees? They rank a distant second ($277 million) behind the Mets.
Here's a complete list of the 30 payrolls:
2023 MLB SALARIES: Database of every player on the opening day roster
JACKIE ROBINSON DAY: MLB's percentage of Black players is the lowest since 1955

Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

MLB payrolls in 2023​

1. N.Y. Mets, $353,546,854
2. N.Y. Yankees, $276,999,872
3. San Diego, $248,995,932
4. Philadelphia, $243,009,439
5. L.A. Dodgers, $222,717,834
6. L.A. Angels, $212,228,096
7. Toronto, $ 209,938,983
8. Atlanta, $203,077,500
9. Texas, $195,869,490
10. Houston, $192,667,233
11. San Francisco, $187,932,500
12. Chicago Cubs, $184,219,250
13. Boston, $181,207,484
14. Chicago White Sox, $181,158,666
15. St. Louis, $175,637,308
16. Colorado, $171,108,778
17. Minnesota, $153,588,740
18. Seattle, $137,119,947
19. Detroit, $122,235,500
20. Milwaukee, $118,761,987
21. Arizona, $116,471,292
22. Washington, $ 101,190,153
23. Kansas City, $92,468,100
24. Miami, $91,700,000
25. Cleveland, 89,424,629
26. Cincinnati, $83,610,000
27. Pittsburgh, $73,277,500
28. Tampa Bay, $73,184,811
29. Baltimore, $60,722,300
30. Oakland, $56,895,000

So how can a team like Oakland compete with a team like the Mets?
Insane

Tampa Bay is 28th but yet has the best record in the Majors this year. Just this last weekend they beat the Yankees two out of three and the Yankees are second in payroll.