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Here is the payroll of each team

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Scott Boeck, USA TODAY
Mon, April 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM EDT


New York Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion in November 2020, is not afraid to open his checkbook.
Cohen has made it clear that he will spend as much money needed to build a contender and did so this offseason. The Mets, who spent nearly $500 million on free agents this winter, have a record $353.5 million opening-day payroll, according to USA TODAY’S annual salary report.
Some of the Mets' offseason signings include starting pitcher Justin Verlander (two years, $86.6 million), closer Edwin Diaz (five years, $102 million), OF Brandon Nimmo (eight years, $162 million) and pitchers Kodai Senga (five years, $75 million).
Where are the New York Yankees? They rank a distant second ($277 million) behind the Mets.
Here's a complete list of the 30 payrolls:
2023 MLB SALARIES: Database of every player on the opening day roster
JACKIE ROBINSON DAY: MLB's percentage of Black players is the lowest since 1955
Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

MLB payrolls in 2023​

  1. N.Y. Mets, $353,546,854
  2. N.Y. Yankees, $276,999,872
  3. San Diego, $248,995,932
  4. Philadelphia, $243,009,439
  5. L.A. Dodgers, $222,717,834
  6. L.A. Angels, $212,228,096
  7. Toronto, $ 209,938,983
  8. Atlanta, $203,077,500
  9. Texas, $195,869,490
  10. Houston, $192,667,233
  11. San Francisco, $187,932,500
  12. Chicago Cubs, $184,219,250
  13. Boston, $181,207,484
  14. Chicago White Sox, $181,158,666
  15. St. Louis, $175,637,308
  16. Colorado, $171,108,778
  17. Minnesota, $153,588,740
  18. Seattle, $137,119,947
  19. Detroit, $122,235,500
  20. Milwaukee, $118,761,987
  21. Arizona, $116,471,292
  22. Washington, $ 101,190,153
  23. Kansas City, $92,468,100
  24. Miami, $91,700,000
  25. Cleveland, 89,424,629
  26. Cincinnati, $83,610,000
  27. Pittsburgh, $73,277,500
  28. Tampa Bay, $73,184,811
  29. Baltimore, $60,722,300
  30. Oakland, $56,895,000

So how can a team like Oakland compete with a team like the Mets?
Insane
 
What you fail to realize is that the Mets can’t buy a championship. Out of all those huge payrolls, at most ONE of them will win the World Series.

See Boston at #13? They’ll likely be one of the bottom 5-6 teams in the league at the end of the year. They’re spending money, but they’re spending it on the wrong players.

Yes, there is a definite disparity between the haves and have-nots in MLB. Always has been and always will be. The have-nots just have to be smarter than the haves in how they spend their money.

Go watch the movie “Moneyball”.
 

Here is the payroll of each team

47
Scott Boeck, USA TODAY
Mon, April 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM EDT


New York Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion in November 2020, is not afraid to open his checkbook.
Cohen has made it clear that he will spend as much money needed to build a contender and did so this offseason. The Mets, who spent nearly $500 million on free agents this winter, have a record $353.5 million opening-day payroll, according to USA TODAY’S annual salary report.
Some of the Mets' offseason signings include starting pitcher Justin Verlander (two years, $86.6 million), closer Edwin Diaz (five years, $102 million), OF Brandon Nimmo (eight years, $162 million) and pitchers Kodai Senga (five years, $75 million).
Where are the New York Yankees? They rank a distant second ($277 million) behind the Mets.
Here's a complete list of the 30 payrolls:
2023 MLB SALARIES: Database of every player on the opening day roster
JACKIE ROBINSON DAY: MLB's percentage of Black players is the lowest since 1955
Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

MLB payrolls in 2023​

  1. N.Y. Mets, $353,546,854
  2. N.Y. Yankees, $276,999,872
  3. San Diego, $248,995,932
  4. Philadelphia, $243,009,439
  5. L.A. Dodgers, $222,717,834
  6. L.A. Angels, $212,228,096
  7. Toronto, $ 209,938,983
  8. Atlanta, $203,077,500
  9. Texas, $195,869,490
  10. Houston, $192,667,233
  11. San Francisco, $187,932,500
  12. Chicago Cubs, $184,219,250
  13. Boston, $181,207,484
  14. Chicago White Sox, $181,158,666
  15. St. Louis, $175,637,308
  16. Colorado, $171,108,778
  17. Minnesota, $153,588,740
  18. Seattle, $137,119,947
  19. Detroit, $122,235,500
  20. Milwaukee, $118,761,987
  21. Arizona, $116,471,292
  22. Washington, $ 101,190,153
  23. Kansas City, $92,468,100
  24. Miami, $91,700,000
  25. Cleveland, 89,424,629
  26. Cincinnati, $83,610,000
  27. Pittsburgh, $73,277,500
  28. Tampa Bay, $73,184,811
  29. Baltimore, $60,722,300
  30. Oakland, $56,895,000

So how can a team like Oakland compete with a team like the Mets?
Insane
Ask Tampa Bay
 
I have nothing against sports.

I DO have problems with how they are managed and paid.
Sports pros/athletes should have to start out making MINIMUM wage like everybody else.
Hell, most of these people coasted through school, flunked out, or just quit. Why should THEY be making top grade paychecks when people like me HAVE to learn an actual SKILL SET to get a fucking job and then are paid 75% LESS than what we are worth, while these dipshits get MILLIONS for playing with balls?

They should get paid ONLY if they win or not. And they should ONLY get paid per a percentage of the ticket sales they had for that particular day.
 
Sports pros/athletes should have to start out making MINIMUM wage like everybody else.

When the guy mopping the floor at McDonalds can get 60,000 people to pay $150 a ticket to watch him mop, he can make the money professional athletes make.

The Washington Commanders just sold for $6 billion
The team does not have that value because of the guy who takes out the trash
 
I have nothing against sports.

I DO have problems with how they are managed and paid.
Sports pros/athletes should have to start out making MINIMUM wage like everybody else.
Hell, most of these people coasted through school, flunked out, or just quit. Why should THEY be making top grade paychecks when people like me HAVE to learn an actual SKILL SET to get a fucking job and then are paid 75% LESS than what we are worth, while these dipshits get MILLIONS for playing with balls?

They should get paid ONLY if they win or not. And they should ONLY get paid per a percentage of the ticket sales they had for that particular day.
baseball players usually start off making their minimum wage....100,000 a year....
 
Yes, there is a definite disparity between the haves and have-nots in MLB. Always has been and always will be. The have-nots just have to be smarter than the haves in how they spend their money.

People have a romance about the Golden Age of Baseball before money ruled the sport.

There was always a lower tier of Baseball. Teams that barely got by every year. In the 1950s …..They would draw about 600,000 fans a year and at the end of the year they would sell their top players just to meet payroll. Next year, bring in new players and sell off your best.

The Yankees would win EVERY year. Not because they were smarter at picking players but that they would buy the best players
 

Here is the payroll of each team

47
Scott Boeck, USA TODAY
Mon, April 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM EDT


New York Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion in November 2020, is not afraid to open his checkbook.
Cohen has made it clear that he will spend as much money needed to build a contender and did so this offseason. The Mets, who spent nearly $500 million on free agents this winter, have a record $353.5 million opening-day payroll, according to USA TODAY’S annual salary report.
Some of the Mets' offseason signings include starting pitcher Justin Verlander (two years, $86.6 million), closer Edwin Diaz (five years, $102 million), OF Brandon Nimmo (eight years, $162 million) and pitchers Kodai Senga (five years, $75 million).
Where are the New York Yankees? They rank a distant second ($277 million) behind the Mets.
Here's a complete list of the 30 payrolls:
2023 MLB SALARIES: Database of every player on the opening day roster
JACKIE ROBINSON DAY: MLB's percentage of Black players is the lowest since 1955
Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

MLB payrolls in 2023​

  1. N.Y. Mets, $353,546,854
  2. N.Y. Yankees, $276,999,872
  3. San Diego, $248,995,932
  4. Philadelphia, $243,009,439
  5. L.A. Dodgers, $222,717,834
  6. L.A. Angels, $212,228,096
  7. Toronto, $ 209,938,983
  8. Atlanta, $203,077,500
  9. Texas, $195,869,490
  10. Houston, $192,667,233
  11. San Francisco, $187,932,500
  12. Chicago Cubs, $184,219,250
  13. Boston, $181,207,484
  14. Chicago White Sox, $181,158,666
  15. St. Louis, $175,637,308
  16. Colorado, $171,108,778
  17. Minnesota, $153,588,740
  18. Seattle, $137,119,947
  19. Detroit, $122,235,500
  20. Milwaukee, $118,761,987
  21. Arizona, $116,471,292
  22. Washington, $ 101,190,153
  23. Kansas City, $92,468,100
  24. Miami, $91,700,000
  25. Cleveland, 89,424,629
  26. Cincinnati, $83,610,000
  27. Pittsburgh, $73,277,500
  28. Tampa Bay, $73,184,811
  29. Baltimore, $60,722,300
  30. Oakland, $56,895,000

So how can a team like Oakland compete with a team like the Mets?
Insane
the citizens of cincinnatti should file a class action suit for not getting their moneys worth even at 88 million
 

Here is the payroll of each team

47
Scott Boeck, USA TODAY
Mon, April 17, 2023 at 10:16 AM EDT


New York Mets billionaire owner Steve Cohen, who purchased the team for $2.4 billion in November 2020, is not afraid to open his checkbook.
Cohen has made it clear that he will spend as much money needed to build a contender and did so this offseason. The Mets, who spent nearly $500 million on free agents this winter, have a record $353.5 million opening-day payroll, according to USA TODAY’S annual salary report.
Some of the Mets' offseason signings include starting pitcher Justin Verlander (two years, $86.6 million), closer Edwin Diaz (five years, $102 million), OF Brandon Nimmo (eight years, $162 million) and pitchers Kodai Senga (five years, $75 million).
Where are the New York Yankees? They rank a distant second ($277 million) behind the Mets.
Here's a complete list of the 30 payrolls:
2023 MLB SALARIES: Database of every player on the opening day roster
JACKIE ROBINSON DAY: MLB's percentage of Black players is the lowest since 1955
Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

Edwin Diaz of the Mets is the highest-paid relief pitcher in baseball.

MLB payrolls in 2023​

  1. N.Y. Mets, $353,546,854
  2. N.Y. Yankees, $276,999,872
  3. San Diego, $248,995,932
  4. Philadelphia, $243,009,439
  5. L.A. Dodgers, $222,717,834
  6. L.A. Angels, $212,228,096
  7. Toronto, $ 209,938,983
  8. Atlanta, $203,077,500
  9. Texas, $195,869,490
  10. Houston, $192,667,233
  11. San Francisco, $187,932,500
  12. Chicago Cubs, $184,219,250
  13. Boston, $181,207,484
  14. Chicago White Sox, $181,158,666
  15. St. Louis, $175,637,308
  16. Colorado, $171,108,778
  17. Minnesota, $153,588,740
  18. Seattle, $137,119,947
  19. Detroit, $122,235,500
  20. Milwaukee, $118,761,987
  21. Arizona, $116,471,292
  22. Washington, $ 101,190,153
  23. Kansas City, $92,468,100
  24. Miami, $91,700,000
  25. Cleveland, 89,424,629
  26. Cincinnati, $83,610,000
  27. Pittsburgh, $73,277,500
  28. Tampa Bay, $73,184,811
  29. Baltimore, $60,722,300
  30. Oakland, $56,895,000

So how can a team like Oakland compete with a team like the Mets?
Insane

It's been unwatchable since Jeter retired, probably a few years before then

The only sporting event I follow is World Cup and I rooted for Messi. Best Final Ever!
 
Yes, there is a definite disparity between the haves and have-nots in MLB. Always has been and always will be. The have-nots just have to be smarter than the haves in how they spend their money.

People have a romance about the Golden Age of Baseball before money ruled the sport.

There was always a lower tier of Baseball. Teams that barely got by every year. In the 1950s …..They would draw about 600,000 fans a year and at the end of the year they would sell their top players just to meet payroll. Next year, bring in new players and sell off your best.

The Yankees would win EVERY year. Not because they were smarter at picking players but that they would buy the best players
the citizens of cincinnatti should file a class action suit for not getting their moneys worth even at 88 million

The Reds do not care about the citizens of Cincinnati
They just want to make a profit. They make more money with a small payroll than they would trying to win championships.
Teams like the Mets, Yankees and Dodgers pay a tax to small payroll teams to even things out.

Do you think those teams use the extra money to expand their payroll or increase their profit?
 
An exercise that I go through most years is to evaluate the management of each team in terms of payroll dollars per win. In other words, take the total payroll in the past year and divide it by the number of wins the team had. The result is the dollars per win amount. The big spenders always end up at the bottom of the list.

Fortunately or un, most of the teams are run for the purpose of making a profit, and if they can make a profit with a mediocre team (e.g., the Pirates), don't expect them to be buying free agents over the winter.

But I have to admit I'm not current on the top players now. When I see news stories about teams signing the top free agents, I have to admit that I've never heard of most of them.
 
What you fail to realize is that the Mets can’t buy a championship. Out of all those huge payrolls, at most ONE of them will win the World Series.

See Boston at #13? They’ll likely be one of the bottom 5-6 teams in the league at the end of the year. They’re spending money, but they’re spending it on the wrong players.

Yes, there is a definite disparity between the haves and have-nots in MLB. Always has been and always will be. The have-nots just have to be smarter than the haves in how they spend their money.

Go watch the movie “Moneyball”.
Moneyball spells out the plight perfectly

I've done the math. If you take the top half of teams on the high end of the payroll, it basically buys them a winning season except for about 5 or 6 teams. Then take the bottom half of payroll teams, and you have only about 5 or 6 teams with a winning record

Then comes the playoffs. The low market teams have a distinct disadvantage entering the playoffs, or at least, statistically speaking.
 
An exercise that I go through most years is to evaluate the management of each team in terms of payroll dollars per win. In other words, take the total payroll in the past year and divide it by the number of wins the team had. The result is the dollars per win amount. The big spenders always end up at the bottom of the list.

Fortunately or un, most of the teams are run for the purpose of making a profit, and if they can make a profit with a mediocre team (e.g., the Pirates), don't expect them to be buying free agents over the winter.

But I have to admit I'm not current on the top players now. When I see news stories about teams signing the top free agents, I have to admit that I've never heard of most of them.
The last union strike really destroyed baseball. Now the focus for players is being the best they can be so they can to play for a large market team like the Yankees.

Everyone is happy. Players are making more money than ever while Big market teams have more fans and thus more fans are happy, the media sells more goods with ads and people tuning in, and the owners are as rich as ever. Everyone is happy, except the small market fan.
 
Many small market teams are following the model of the Houston Astros, the best team in Baseball right now.

Lose 100-105 games a year for five years. Stock up on high draft picks at low overall payroll. Then, add a few free agents to fill in the voids
 
Many small market teams are following the model of the Houston Astros, the best team in Baseball right now.

Lose 100-105 games a year for five years. Stock up on high draft picks at low overall payroll. Then, add a few free agents to fill in the voids
What are you babbling about? Houston is #10 on the payroll of high spending teams.
 

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