Minneapolis Police Chief: "It has absolutely become an unlawful assembly."

[Marener]

Your news link says they didn’t arrest him they detained him. Another of your completely debunked as I said.

ICE claimed they didn’t arrest him, but what they call it is irrelevant. The facts matter.

The facts show it was an arrest.

 

[OODA_Loop]

They knew who he was.

He wasn’t detained to get his identity.

He was arrested because he was following them.

In Your posted video the news reporter says they detained not arrested.

Standing by for your insults.

 

[OODA_Loop]

ICE claimed they didn’t arrest him, but what they call it is irrelevant. The facts matter.

The facts show it was an arrest.

What facts ?

 

[Marener]

What facts ?

The use of force. The duration he was in custody. The removing him from the scene. The lack of investigation as he sat in a cell for hours and hours.

Facts matter.

 

[Delldude]

So everything ICE did was unlawful.

The court case?

 

[OODA_Loop]

The use of force. The duration he was in custody. The removing him from the scene. The lack of investigation as he sat in a cell for hours and hours.

Facts matter.

You can detain someone until you verify their ID.

Are you saying they didn’t verify his ID and if he had warrants? I assure you they did. They would have been happy to arrest him if the probable cause.

That can take several hours depending how busy they are.

 

[Dagoth-Ur]

No. They didn't abuse the system. The system allowed it.

Then the system
Is invalid.

 

[Marener]

You can detain someone until you verify their ID.

Are you saying they didn’t verify his ID and if he had warrants? I assure you they did. They would have been happy to arrest him if the probable cause.

That can take several hours depending how busy they are.

Everything you just said is entirely baseless and illogical.

They knew who he was. There’s no indication that his identity was ever in doubt or in question, as they never even asked him for his ID.

They said they’d arrest him if he kept following them. He kept following them. So they arrested him.

If ICE thinks following them actually constitutes a crime, then they had probable cause to arrest him. But it’s not a crime, which is why he was never charged.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Everything you just said is entirely baseless and illogical.

They knew who he was. There’s no indication that his identity was ever in doubt or in question, as they never even asked him for his ID.

They said they’d arrest him if he kept following them. He kept following them. So they arrested him.

If ICE thinks following them actually constitutes a crime, then they had probable cause to arrest him. But it’s not a crime, which is why he was never charged.

It can constitute a crime if you hinder their ops. Under MN law.

His identity was verified and they looked for warrants while detained. It is what cops do

 

[Marener]

It can constitute a crime if you hinder their ops. Under MN law.

His identity was verified and they looked for warrants while detained. It is what cops do

He wasn’t hindering anyone.

He was arrested without probable cause.

Everything about “verifying his identity and looking up warrants” is made up and does not require keeping him at the federal building for 8 hours.

 

[OODA_Loop]

He wasn’t hindering anyone.

He was arrested without probable cause.

Everything about “verifying his identity and looking up warrants” is made up and does not require keeping him at the federal building for 8 hours.

They had to interact with him three times because of his actions. That is hindering

 

[Marener]

They had to interact with him three times because of his actions. That is hindering

ICE chose to interact with him. Nothing about his actions made them do anything.

It’s not a crime because ICE got their panties in a wad.

 

[OODA_Loop]

ICE chose to interact with him. Nothing about his actions made them do anything.

It’s not a crime because ICE got their panties in a wad.

ICE had to interact because his actions and proximity called for it

Do you think your legal rational would survive scrutiny in a court of law?

 

[Rawley]

After he parked near them and hindered thier operations. By your description they had to interact with him twice to get him to back off. Give space. He didn’t and they felt they needed to detain him to find out who he was.

Protest all you won’t but stay back.

He need to be put away for just being an asshole

 

[Rawley]

He wasn’t hindering anyone.

He was arrested without probable cause.

Everything about “verifying his identity and looking up warrants” is made up and does not require keeping him at the federal building for 8 hours.

He was detained.

 

[Marener]

ICE had to interact because his actions and proximity called for it

Do you think your legal rational would survive scrutiny in a court of law?

ICE didn’t have to do anything. They were completely unencumbered and had every opportunity to pursue whatever it is they intended to do that day.

What is your legal rationale?

 

[OODA_Loop]

He need to be put away for just being an asshole

That is part of too. Keeping pushing and being a dick and we are going to take for a ride and put you through the wringer.

Legally.

 

[Marener]

He was detained.

By what legal standard?

 

[OODA_Loop]

ICE didn’t have to do anything. They were completely unencumbered and had every opportunity to pursue whatever it is they intended to do that day.

What is your legal rationale?

Federal Law Enforcement can detain you and verify who you are if they feel in their sole discretion you are a threat. They don’t have to arrest you or have probable cause to arrest you.

You can protest but not if hinders thier operations.

 

[struth]

ICE is assaulting and arresting people who are just standing there watching or expressing their first amendment right to free speech.

No they are not