Milton Friedman ***** Slap's Obama's "You didn't build that" nonsense

[Moonglow]

Mao and Stalin are dead but the "American" Left still follows their teachings

Got any proof? Or you just trying to pull magic tricks out your ass?

You're the proof, dipshit. You spew Stalinisms on this forum all day long.

Then please show me ona Stalanism that I made, or show me a trick.

 

[bripat9643]

Pretty bad when a dead guy slaps your candidate around !

Pretty bad when a guy who's policies made so many people irredeemably poor is held up as a god of economics.

Good point....He was one of FDR's economic advisers.

One of Friedman's great sins is that he concieved of the idea of withholding your federal income taxes when he worked in the FDR Administration. Prior to that, you had to write the IRS a check at the end of the year for the entire amount.

 

[Wry Catcher]

“The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade.

If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.” --Milton Friedman

CARPE DIEM: Milton Friedman Responds to Obama

Every re-distributive economy is an inhumane shithole, every single one of them. It's so ******* bad they have to build walls to keep anybody with a brain from fleeing. But that's the exact system embraced and adored by the "American" Left. They love a system that has a 100% Guaranteed fail rate and while they're living in the #1 economy in the world.

Insanity. Absolute ******* insanity.

You are one partisan myopic and ridiculous person. Enstein and Ford and Jobs are all beholden to Pythagoras of Samos within President Obama's meaning. Transport on government roads and bridges - built by private sector construction companies in pubic/private joint projects - are used by most business, big and small.

Spinning the comment as you and the rest of the parrots do is silly, silly is what you do best and even then need the government, for government is the grist of your every idiotgram.

 

[occupied]

It is very telling that all the left can do in response to The Great Milton Friedman is ridicule and immaturity.

Nice job guys....

Just because a man is dead, does that change his findings and writings?
Doubt it... we still follow Jesus, we still study Einsteins theories, and Martin Luther King Jr is still right about civil rights.... why is it that because Mr. Friedman is dead, what he said can be discounted as truth.

Prove your side of the debate is truth rather than laugh at historic facts.

The historic fact is that in every country his economic theories were implemented, the only beneficiaries were the rich and the multinationals who wanted cheap raw materials and a terrorized cheap labor force. If you only care about how the elite are doing his theories were awesome, if you care about things like tyranny, torture, pollution, loss of democracy, land raping, corruption and exploitation then they were not so good.

That has to be best leftbat stream-o-consciousnesses run-on cliche I've seen in quite awhile.

Again you attempt to refute what I say without offering a counter argument. Lazy.

 

[edthecynic]

It is very telling that all the left can do in response to The Great Milton Friedman is ridicule and immaturity.

Nice job guys....

Just because a man is dead, does that change his findings and writings?
Doubt it... we still follow Jesus, we still study Einsteins theories, and Martin Luther King Jr is still right about civil rights.... why is it that because Mr. Friedman is dead, what he said can be discounted as truth.

Prove your side of the debate is too difficult, so you would rather laugh at historic facts.

November 11, 2009
RUSH: I think that's the fastest way to persuade people, you know, is to ridicule and make fun of the people that you're having problems with.

 

[Moonglow]

And please don't tell these brainiacs that Henry Ford, the great industrialist, was a socialists, into green technology and hated Jews.
OMG moment.

 

[Mr.Nick]

I suppose murder, death, starvation, culls and purges are the progressives ideal utopia...

As long as we starve together !

What made this country once great is the understanding on individualism. Individuals built this nation not a bunch of idiots in government.... The founders gave us liberty and an opportunity to create a nation - we did that - now our government wants to take it all away because it's not fair to some....

Guess what? life isn't fair - there is no such thing as equal or fair.... The idea of fairness and equality is a total pipe dream....

Look at the Olympics - some individuals are better than others - life is the same way and we just cant hand out blue ribbons to everyone....

Then the progressives claim those who are successful are greedy? hell no - those who loathe them are the greedy ones - they want what they have worked hard for.....

 

[Oddball]

The historic fact is that in every country his economic theories were implemented, the only beneficiaries were the rich and the multinationals who wanted cheap raw materials and a terrorized cheap labor force. If you only care about how the elite are doing his theories were awesome, if you care about things like tyranny, torture, pollution, loss of democracy, land raping, corruption and exploitation then they were not so good.

That has to be best leftbat stream-o-consciousnesses run-on cliche I've seen in quite awhile.

Again you attempt to refute what I say without offering a counter argument. Lazy.

Why waste the intellect refuting willfully ignorant stereotypes and cliches?

Best to just sit back and giggle my ass off.

 

[Liability]

Friedman is dead, quite a trick.

The sad part is that mockupied actually considered his post witty and intelligent.

 

[bripat9643]

Pretty bad when a guy who's policies made so many people irredeemably poor is held up as a god of economics.

Good point....He was one of FDR's economic advisers.

Was he? If so, he hated what FDR did. He much preferred what Pinochet did.

He was young and naive when he worked for FDR. It was only later that he became a hard core evangelist for free enterprise.

 

[clevergirl]

“The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade.

If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.” --Milton Friedman

CARPE DIEM: Milton Friedman Responds to Obama

Every re-distributive economy is an inhumane shithole, every single one of them. It's so ******* bad they have to build walls to keep anybody with a brain from fleeing. But that's the exact system embraced and adored by the "American" Left. They love a system that has a 100% Guaranteed fail rate and while they're living in the #1 economy in the world.

Insanity. Absolute ******* insanity.

Friedman should have been running the Fed. When he died, a keen insight into how best to create and protect free markets, died as well.

Milton Friedman: END THE FED

 

[The Infidel]

This assumes that the essential argument is between free markets and socialism. It's not. Neither exists. Here is what does exist. A partnership between the private sector and government. Your rant doesn't explain what's good about things like the Hoover Dam and the national Interstate.

None of that would be possible without the hard work and tax dollars from the private sector.
Both of those things you listed were built by tax payer dollars and private companies contracted to the gov't.

The private sector craves modern industrial infrastructure and a legal system to protect their property and enforce their contracts and [things like] FDIC insurance to protect their risk. The private sector lives off subsidies and bailouts. Profit makers crave government help, that's why the USA has built the largest lobbying system in the world.

Still... none of it possible without the private sector... all of that takes lots and lots of money.
Where does that money come from?

You seem to be making a point around which there is very little controversy, namely that a successful economy must find a way to channel rather than block selfishness. Nobody is arguing for socialism. You've been captured by a talk radio straw man. We're trying to figure out how to build the Hoover Dam when no single market actor can afford to do it. We're trying to appraise the value of the government investment in commercial aviation and computer technology - and the level which capital depends on the modern industrial state, supplied by the public, made possible by taxation. Also your rant doesn't draw distinctions between the distributive economy of Denmark - where people are free, happy and well educated - and China, the unfree place with whom the glorious American private sector does the most business.

You can not tell me Obama and his fellow travelers are not pushing socialism... if you try to, you are being dishonest.
History proves his policies a failure.... Bush was nearly as bad as Obama, and that in itself proves those liberal policies a failure.

Lets actually give conservatism a chance, because we have yet to do so...

Capitalism is heavily dependent on these freedom hating nations for labor and raw material. WalMart and the American retail sector would not exist without communist China. Capitalism despises freedom. A free middle class brings terribly high labor costs, and they tend to impose a higher regulatory burden because they don't want corporations polluting their water. Investment Capital thrives in freedom hating parts of the world. Do you know how much higher the returns are with sweatshop labor.

We would not have to go abroad if our tax strucuture wasnt so tyranical....

Frank, your essential premise about incentivizing productivity by letting people realize the highest possible returns on their efforts is not a new idea. We all understand that if you pay people not to work, they won't work. You haven't addressed any of the complicated stuff though. The NYC Subway system and the ******* Brooklyn Bridge was made possible by [things like] government and taxation - by private/public partnerships. Your rant doesn't draw any distinctions. It sounds well-meaning but extremely un-educated. You can do better. You have done better.

We can go in circles all day if ya like.... chicken or egg???

 

[occupied]

That has to be best leftbat stream-o-consciousnesses run-on cliche I've seen in quite awhile.

Again you attempt to refute what I say without offering a counter argument. Lazy.

Why waste the intellect refuting willfully ignorant stereotypes and cliches?

Best to just sit back and giggle my ass off.

Typical reaction from a true believer, your holy prophet of the almighty invisible hand was a fraud.

 

[Oddball]

Again you attempt to refute what I say without offering a counter argument. Lazy.

Why waste the intellect refuting willfully ignorant stereotypes and cliches?

Best to just sit back and giggle my ass off.

Typical reaction from a true believer, your holy prophet of the almighty invisible hand was a fraud.

Typical reaction from a a complete economic ignoramus, who only can be bothered to spew bigoted stereotypes and brain dead socialist bumper sticker bromides.

 

[bripat9643]

It is very telling that all the left can do in response to The Great Milton Friedman is ridicule and immaturity.

Nice job guys....

Just because a man is dead, does that change his findings and writings?
Doubt it... we still follow Jesus, we still study Einsteins theories, and Martin Luther King Jr is still right about civil rights.... why is it that because Mr. Friedman is dead, what he said can be discounted as truth.

Prove your side of the debate is truth rather than laugh at historic facts.

The historic fact is that in every country his economic theories were implemented, the only beneficiaries were the rich and the multinationals who wanted cheap raw materials and a terrorized cheap labor force. If you only care about how the elite are doing his theories were awesome, if you care about things like tyranny, torture, pollution, loss of democracy, land raping, corruption and exploitation then they were not so good.

What utter horseshit. Chile is a country that explicitely implemented his policies, and it has the highest standard of living in Latin America. The countries that implemented the policies you support, like Bolivia and Nicauragua, have the lowest standard of living. Singapore and Hong Kong are two countries with the least amount of government interference in their economies, and they are in the top 5 when it comes to the standard of living.

Numbskulls like you keep spouting this kind of nonsense because you're hoping people are too ignorant to check the facts.

 

[Listening]

Again you attempt to refute what I say without offering a counter argument. Lazy.

Why waste the intellect refuting willfully ignorant stereotypes and cliches?

Best to just sit back and giggle my ass off.

Typical reaction from a true believer, your holy prophet of the almighty invisible hand was a fraud.

Now we Obamanomics.....those are really tearing it up !

I wonder what it would be like to compare the country under Reagan (day for day) to those under Obama in terms of attitudes and hope.

Reagan won 49 states (almost 50) in a landslide (1984).

Obama would be lucky to just get re-elected.

 

[Mr.Nick]

“The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history, are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade.

If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear, that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by the free-enterprise system.” --Milton Friedman

CARPE DIEM: Milton Friedman Responds to Obama

Every re-distributive economy is an inhumane shithole, every single one of them. It's so ******* bad they have to build walls to keep anybody with a brain from fleeing. But that's the exact system embraced and adored by the "American" Left. They love a system that has a 100% Guaranteed fail rate and while they're living in the #1 economy in the world.

Insanity. Absolute ******* insanity.

Friedman 100% correct with everything he said... However I believe those in power have a more nefarious plan - your typical progressive adheres to the notion "that if we all cant succeed then we should all fail" so they allow a ******* idiot like Obamafuck to destroy individual wealth because in the progressives simpleton minds it's "only fair." You know because progressives are unsuccessful lazy morons, those tho did achieve success should be brought down to their level in the name of "equality."

That idea has been brainwashed into every idiots head for the last 50 years, and of course the elitist progressives already believe they bought their ticket to immunity from authoritarian or totalitarianism because they help kick-start the process....

Apparently some people didn't learn a ******* thing from Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim il-Sung, Kim Jong-il, Ho Che Minh, Castro, Che Guevara etc......

I suppose murder, death, starvation, culls and purges are the progressives ideal utopia...

And what does it say about CON$ervoFascists that those lazy unsuccessful progressives are more financially successful!!!!!

Conservatives aren't fascists - progressives are.

At any rate I'm a libertarian - sure I will back conservatives all day because I'm morally conservative, just not ethically - not that conservatives are even attempting to pass fascist laws unlike progressives..

Name one ******* proposed piece of legislation that conservatives have tried to pass?

Progressives are the fascists..... You're the ******* clowns trying to legislate morality in spite of our founding documents.....

 

[bripat9643]

Nobody is destroying the weathy's richness, no opulance is being murdered for the masses.
What a bunch of stupid replies, the trend is following a pattern and that pattern since Reagan is,,,,are you ready?????? The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. Yet you idiots defend the very people whom would have nothing to do with you,the rich, silly people.

Not only is your post wrong, it isn't even coherent.

 

[Liability]

Why waste the intellect refuting willfully ignorant stereotypes and cliches?

Best to just sit back and giggle my ass off.

Typical reaction from a true believer, your holy prophet of the almighty invisible hand was a fraud.

Typical reaction from a a complete economic ignoramus, who only can be bothered to spew bigoted stereotypes and brain dead socialist bumper sticker bromides.

I wanted to use the word "bromide" just the other day and I couldn't bring it to mind. But damn it, that is the precisely correct word here.

mocupied can't think at all without relying on hackneyed cliched and previously refuted "thinking" of other socialists. He's a true BELIEVER. But, of course, he's just a dullard and an asshole.

 

[Moonglow]

I suppose murder, death, starvation, culls and purges are the progressives ideal utopia...

As long as we starve together !

What made this country once great is the understanding on individualism. Individuals built this nation not a bunch of idiots in government.... The founders gave us liberty and an opportunity to create a nation - we did that - now our government wants to take it all away because it's not fair to some....

Guess what? life isn't fair - there is no such thing as equal or fair.... The idea of fairness and equality is a total pipe dream....

Look at the Olympics - some individuals are better than others - life is the same way and we just cant hand out blue ribbons to everyone....

Then the progressives claim those who are successful are greedy? hell no - those who loathe them are the greedy ones - they want what they have worked hard for.....

Darn that liberal Jesus Christ and that socialist Father of his.