Zone1 Might Makes Right

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Don't for a second think that many atheists don't think "might makes right." You know better.

 

[dblack]

Don't for a second think that many atheists don't think "might makes right." You know better.

I do? Do tell.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I do? Do tell.

Don't deny, don't cry, don't lie. Atheists are as big hypocrites as theists.

 

[dblack]

Don't deny, don't cry, don't lie. Atheists are as big hypocrites as theists.

Really now. Explain my hypocrisy. I really hate hypocrisy.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

You are now being hypocritical of yourself.

 

[dblack]

You are now being hypocritical of yourself.

Sing it! How so?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Preach denial, brother.

 

[dblack]

Preach denial, brother.

Nuthin?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

If you're talking about regular people when you say "the American right"... you're missing my point. It doesn't matter what regular people advocate for, if our entire system is a sham. What I was saying was that the powers-that-shouldn't-be are oligarchs / globalists who control both sides of the aisle. They are subversive. Sure, there are probably decent people in politics at the lower levels who are sincere and truly care about what is best for our country. But what I was talking about was the highest levels. I know no one wants to hear this, but imho presidents these days are just puppets, or spokespeople, for the PTSB. That's why nothing significant changes, we're slowly but surely going toward what they want, an authoritarian world government. It won't be anything like the form of government we are supposed to have, where individual rights matter. But this actually could be a topic for a thread of its own.

We have the government we deserve. We have what be have because of th mixed bag you see on this forum. Ours is an education and moral problem. The leaders we have are the result of these competing forces, not some all powerful oligarchs inflicting their will on us innocent but powerless peasants.
We have the government WE created

 

[BreezeWood]

The Supreme court took no position whatsoever on a person's right to an abortion ... Their ruling is the exact opposite of totalitarianism.

declaring that the constitutional right to abortion, upheld for nearly a half century, no longer exists.

simply the desert could not stand for not having the authority to tell other people how to live their lives ... than the supposed context of their ruling.

And neither issue in any way addresses my point that it isn't the American right wanting totalitarian government but those radical Marxists, all leftist, who are doing their damndest to have that.

not sure marxists even exist in america, certainly not the left ...

except for in the minds of maga and their cultural purity - the might is right to storm the capital after losing an election.

 

[dblack]

Nuthin?

nuthin

 

[dblack]

nuthin

Nuthin. It's different when "we" do it.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Yes. I think direct democracy could be an example of "might makes right." (mob rule) And yeah, our founders were trying to avoid that. Whether or not that actually succeeded is another matter, because unfortunately I think at this point power being in the hands of We the People is just an illusion.

The founders were rich White aristocrats who owned black slaves, hence they're not the best examples for us if we want to truly be a country ruled by the people, rather than a small group of plutocrats. I prefer the rule of the majority under the authority of a just and life-affirming set of laws or let's say good rules that empower people to reach their fullest potential—those who are in the minority group or camp, ideologically and otherwise, have inalienable, human rights, that the majority can't violate.

So just because we have majority rule, that doesn't imply that minorities are being persecuted, oppressed, or abused. That misconception is propagated by bitter, disingenuous pessimists who demand to be in the majority and aren't due to their values and ideas being rejected by most reasonable, rational people. That's one of the reasons these right-wing conservatives who worship their capitalist masters and their money, hate government so much until it serves their interests at the expense of those they hate.

Many of these right-wing Republican conservatives, ironically, are working-class people who due to their warped Protestant work ethic and sheepishness, including their disdain for the poor and laborers, have always seen themselves as members of the wealthy ruling class, who are temporarily working a 9 to 5. They're not really members of the working-class, they're just currently forced due to the circumstances of life beyond their control, to need a job (sell/rent their labor-power/life-force, presence, and precious time, to a capitalist, while placing their health and lives at risk..), and they hold their fellow workers (other members of the working class), with contempt.

These other workers are "vulgar, spiritually lost, losers, who are competing with me", or "I see them as beneath me because I'm in management, hence my allegiance isn't towards other members of my socioeconomic class but towards my wealthy, powerful employer" i.e. exploiter, "Who I want to become one day. I want to be the capitalist feudal-lord boss one day too, hence I'm on the side of my master who exploits me and my fellow workers". These self-hating working-class Republican conservatives, also see the American left (the people who gave them the 8-hour workday and 40-hour workweek, social security, unemployment insurance, overtime pay, labor unions, sick leave, pensions, a better workplace environment, more worker rights), with abortion rights and LGBTQA+++++.

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That's how these working-class conservative Republicans justify their hatred for the working class (their self-hate) and their blanket disdain for anything that is of the left. They're unable to filter out the left's BS and lunacy, from what is good in the left. They live in a skewed world where everything is BLACK OR WHITE, without nuance or shades of grey. They're essentially a bunch of uneducated simpletons, who hate themselves and life in general, hence they want Jesus to come back as soon as possible and rapture them into the clouds. Humanity doesn't have a future apart from Jesus, so they hate science, they hate America without Jesus, they love the secular Jewish state of Israhell (that hates Jesus), and they worship the rich. They blindly defend, support, and serve their capitalist masters to the detriment of themselves and everyone else.

They are the greatest threat to America's survival and success. It's not MAGA for them, it's MIGAFA, Make Israhell Great Again F$^K America.

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