Microsoft to reopen Three Mile Island Nuclear Plant, Renewables Have Failed.

[Crick]

You have any idea how your trades sound, your pettiness, and your plain old ignorance. I would prefer to stick to subjects, discuss stuff but with 90% of the people here, you are all here to somehow prove everything wrong.

Wind Turbines and Solar fail. Period.

I am in Iowa, none are turning this morning, yesterday afternoon, I seen one turning, the one next to it not turning.

Wind turbines failed

So you don't know how bad you sound.

 

[elektra]

So you don't know how bad you sound.

Your low intellect insults don't bother me, crick. Your post show I am the expert. You don't even begin to explain how wind and solar are a viable alternative energy source.

Bill Gates went with nuclear power because solar and wind can not supplement the power to computers. It is that simple.

 

[jc456]

Bill Gates has made the decision that solar, wind, and batteries are two weak, expensive, inefficient to power the future.

Three Mile Island (home of one of three U.S. reactor meltdowns) will be reopened after shutting down in 2019.

The power needs of artificial intelligence are so great they will use the entire output of one Nuclear Reactor.

Why Microsoft made a deal to help restart Three Mile Island

A once-shuttered nuclear plant could soon return to the grid.

www.technologyreview.com

This news is fascinating for so many reasons. Obviously this site holds a certain significance in the history of nuclear power in the US. There’s a possibility this would be one of the first reactors in the country to reopen after shutting down. And Microsoft will be buying all the electricity from the reactor.

About fning time.

 

[jc456]

So you don't know how bad you sound.

Funny, last night went to a college baseball game in Illinois with my wife and granddaughter, she sees wind turbines in the distance and they're not moving. She asks why they're there, I explained it to her that they are the replacement for natural gas and oil electricity, and she says, hilariously, why aren't they spinning then? I said, cause they need wind to turn, and when there is no wind, no spin, no electricity. She says that seems stupid. hahahahahahahahahaahha I almost lost it.

 

[jc456]

Wind or Solar is Obviously NOT the best solution for every use.
(and that/settings was posted by me previously)

That does Not mean they have "failed.'' Stupid or partisan sweeping deduction.

In this case Microsoft knew they needed ultra-high concentrated power for the planet's biggest power gobblers: AI data centers.
Correct/Smart move.

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They have failed as the demofks long term solution as the only option. dude, don't spin it please?

 

[elektra]

Wind or Solar is Obviously NOT the best solution for every use.
(and that/settings was posted by me previously)

Waiting for the sun or the wind is the best solution for what, exactly

 

[abu afak]

Waiting for the sun or the wind is the best solution for what, exactly

In ie, the sparse SW USA Solar would be excellent.
In the plains states Winds is already winning ie 64% IOWA and many states in the mid 40s, incl those with a lot of O&G, ie, Oklahoma, N Dakota. Even in King Oil Texas Wind is going gangbusters.

ie.

Cheapest source of Fossil Fuel Generation is Double the Cost of Utility-scale Solar
Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.
June 11, 2024

Lazard released its annual report analyzing levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), a critical measure of cost-efficiency of generation sources across technology types. The report found that onshore wind and utility-scale solar have the lowest LCOE by a large margin.

LCOE measures lifetime costs divided by energy production and calculates the present value of the total cost of building and operating a power plant over an assumed lifetime.

“Despite high end LCOE declines for selected renewable energy technologies, the low ends of our LCOE have increased for the first time ever, driven by the persistence of certain cost pressures (e.g., high interest rates, etc.),” said Lazard. “These two phenomena result in tighter LCOE ranges (offsetting the significant range expansion observed last year) and relatively stable LCOE averages year-over-year.”

Onshore wind ranked as the lowest source of new-build electricity generation, ranging from $27 to $73 per MWh. Utility-scale solar was a close second, ranging $29 to $92 per MWh.

Utility-scale solar has had the most aggressive cost reduction curve of all technologies, falling about 83% since 2009, when new build solar generation had an LCOE of over $350 per MWh.

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Cheapest source of fossil fuel generation is double the cost of utility-scale solar
Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.

 

[Crick]

Your low intellect insults don't bother me, crick. Your post show I am the expert. You don't even begin to explain how wind and solar are a viable alternative energy source.

Bill Gates went with nuclear power because solar and wind can not supplement the power to computers. It is that simple.

Given that they are replacing fossil fuel worldwide at an unprecedented rate, the burden here is for YOU to show why you believe they are NOT a viable alternative.

 

[ding]

Given that they are replacing fossil fuel worldwide at an unprecedented rate, the burden here is for YOU to show why you believe they are NOT a viable alternative.

Is that really an accurate statement given that fossil fuel use is increasing worldwide?

 

[jc456]

Given that they are replacing fossil fuel worldwide at an unprecedented rate, the burden here is for YOU to show why you believe they are NOT a viable alternative.

That's fking hilarious. where?

 

[elektra]

Given that they are replacing fossil fuel worldwide at an unprecedented rate, the burden here is for YOU to show why you believe they are NOT a viable alternative.

Wind turbines and solar panels are replacing nothing at an unprecedented rate.

Why is the most expensive least efficient seldom work easily broken in a storm not a viable alternative?

No solar or wind tonight to start

 

[elektra]

In ie, the sparse SW USA Solar would be excellent.
In the plains states Winds is already winning ie 64% IOWA and many states in the mid 40s, incl those with a lot of O&G, ie, Oklahoma, N Dakota. Even in King Oil Texas Wind is going gangbusters.

ie.

Cheapest source of Fossil Fuel Generation is Double the Cost of Utility-scale Solar
Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.
June 11, 2024

Lazard released its annual report analyzing levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), a critical measure of cost-efficiency of generation sources across technology types. The report found that onshore wind and utility-scale solar have the lowest LCOE by a large margin.

LCOE measures lifetime costs divided by energy production and calculates the present value of the total cost of building and operating a power plant over an assumed lifetime.

“Despite high end LCOE declines for selected renewable energy technologies, the low ends of our LCOE have increased for the first time ever, driven by the persistence of certain cost pressures (e.g., high interest rates, etc.),” said Lazard. “These two phenomena result in tighter LCOE ranges (offsetting the significant range expansion observed last year) and relatively stable LCOE averages year-over-year.”

Onshore wind ranked as the lowest source of new-build electricity generation, ranging from $27 to $73 per MWh. Utility-scale solar was a close second, ranging $29 to $92 per MWh.

Utility-scale solar has had the most aggressive cost reduction curve of all technologies, falling about 83% since 2009, when new build solar generation had an LCOE of over $350 per MWh.

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Cheapest source of fossil fuel generation is double the cost of utility-scale solar
Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.

Iowa has no industry.

How much is solar tonight? There is no solar to sell, tonight.

Everywhere there is solar, prices are skyrocketing.

Solar is a short lived subsidiesed waste of trillions of dollars.

Trillions is the cost. Everyone from the investors to the government says so

 

[Crick]

Iowa has no industry.

How much is solar tonight? There is no solar to sell, tonight.

Everywhere there is solar, prices are skyrocketing.

Solar is a short lived subsidiesed waste of trillions of dollars.

Trillions is the cost. Everyone from the investors to the government says so

Evidence? Links? We thought not. We knew better.

 

[elektra]

Evidence? Links? We thought not. We knew better.

Nobody needs links to know solar is for fools. Solar never works at night and wind does not blow at night either, outside of storms.

This is why the government pays for people to use solar

 

[elektra]

In ie, the sparse SW USA Solar would be excellent.
In the plains states Winds is already winning ie 64% IOWA ...

Iowa, wind, 64% is nameplate capacity. At best on a windy day Iowa Wind is delivering 10% of the electricity to a consumer.

Funny thing about Iowa and your claim of 64% Wind energy. Iowa is connected to the MISO grid so Iowa is getting electricity from other states, not Wind.

 

[elektra]

abu afak
Abu I challenged you to step up.
The levelized costs, how come we can't just look at our electric bills and see if electricity is going up or down

Lazard, they claim, use a perfect scenario for solar and wind while using figures for fossil fuels that are literally, lies. Why are you refusing to discuss this

Iowa wind installed in theory enough wind turbines to provide 64% of the electricity. In reality we are not told if those wind turbines are even working.

Iowa does not provide power to itself, it is ties to MISO which gets power from coal, nuclear, and fossil fuels. An 11 state region plus a provence in canada

 

[abu afak]

abu afak
Abu I challenged you to step up.
The levelized costs, how come we can't just look at our electric bills and see if electricity is going up or down

Lazard, they claim, use a perfect scenario for solar and wind while using figures for fossil fuels that are literally, lies. Why are you refusing to discuss this

Iowa wind installed in theory enough wind turbines to provide 64% of the electricity. In reality we are not told if those wind turbines are even working.

Iowa does not provide power to itself, it is ties to MISO which gets power from coal, nuclear, and fossil fuels. An 11 state region plus a provence in canada

This post, like all your posts, are full of Your claims and NO links/back up.
While mine are all documented.
I am quite reasonable and earlier in this thread agreed with Nukes for this intense usage.

ALL other solar/wind issues I have threads on.

I also have a thread questioning what percent of the Mix renewables could be.
No one really wanted to participate. My estimate was app 60%. I'd now say 70% based on ever-improving cost and efficiency. I am not AOC.

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[elektra]

This post, like all your posts, are full of Your claims and NO links/back up.
While mine are all documented.
I am quite reasonable and earlier in this thread agreed with Nukes for this intense usage.

ALL other solar/wind issues I have threads on.

I also have a thread questioning what percent of the Mix renewables could be.
No one really wanted to participate. My estimate was app 60%. I'd now say 70% based on ever-improving cost and efficiency. I am not AOC.

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Links don't prove you are right, it just prove you do not have the intellect to discuss this.

Lazard, where you get your cost estimate, claims 30 year life for wind turbines. That is far from reality.

Lazard is using a 30 year life for coal plants when coal plants operate an easy 75 years.

Abu, you wish for links? Your link is what I am using.

Claim all you want, link all you want, it is still subsidized and not working.

Microsoft must use Nuclear because solar and wind do not work.

 

[Crick]

Nobody needs links to know solar is for fools. Solar never works at night and wind does not blow at night either, outside of storms.

This is why the government pays for people to use solar

You're not an expert, you're an idiot.

 

[jc456]

You're not an expert, you're an idiot.

One needs to know the sun goes down at night? Oh, never mind it’s you