Three Mile Island Gets $1.5 billion loan

[Grumblenuts]

Gigawatts is the term you both should be using.

 

[westwall]

Fun Fact about the TMI "disaster": Not a single person got as much as a head cold from exposure to nuclear radiation as a result of the "disaster."

Another Fun Fact: Since the beginning of commercial nuclear power in the U.S. (1953), and in the American nuclear Navy as well, not a single human has EVER gotten sick (let alone died) as a result of exposure to nuclear radiation.

Another Fun Fact: In the Japanese nuclear disaster of 2011 (Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant), ONE person died of a heart attack, but not a single person died, or even got sick, as a result of exposure to nuclear radiation.

Clearly, "we" have to do a better job of protecting people from nuclear radiation in nuclear power plants.

Actually there are three known casualties on US soil. The SL-1 reactor accident back in 1960 or 61, killed three. One suffered a dose of radiation that was enormous, he died before he was able to be boiled by the superheated steam, one was pinned to the ceiling by a control rod, and I don't remember what happened to the last, but it wasn't pretty.

 

[JohnDB]

???????
One nuclear plant gives us terawatts, 45 mw is nothing

I'm mislabeling....my bad. (I'm losing it....my head is full of culinary stuff for the big dinner coming up)
45 gigawatts (terawatts?) are needed to be newly generated within 4 years

I think I remember the "other side" for capacitors....maybe.
Milli
Micro
Nano
Pico
It's one of them things if you don't use it anymore you lose it. And I've been retarded....er...I mean retired for 5 years now from electrical work. I built swtchyards and hospitals and all kinds of industrial plants. Lots of bull work....

One of the neat things is the conductors inside the switches. They are a hollow silver pipe about 4 inches in diameter. (Encased in hexaflourine gas and several layers of ceramic coating the inside of a pressure shell with a LOT of bolts connecting the pieces all having to be torqued to 60nm....that was tiring)

I should remember the prefixes better too.

Because we hooked up the switches to a tester that took 480v at high amps and sent it between the two halos. We only used a little number 12 copper wire (like the size in your house).
The tester jacked up the voltage using a transformer to over 500 kilovolts and the amps were at 2. So basically it was a megawatt getting sent down that little wire. (It began vibrating into a sine wave between the two halos)

The electronic cabinets inside the switch house got smoked because the special installation team that was there to do finals on the control cabinets forgot a jumper wire that day and the insulation on the jumper burned up. (Stinky)

Then the dismantling of the tester was annoying. Because the coils inside don't discharge quickly....it takes days for them to do that. We had to keep a ground on them to even handle the pieces. We got zapped a lot and often on that job.

They say that the first thing to go when you get shocked too much is your memory....I don't remember what goes next.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Bill Gates got lucky 45 years ago

But that does not make him the genius he claims to be

Wow, we actually agree on something for once.

 

[Grumblenuts]

???????
One nuclear plant gives us terawatts

Idiot.

AI Overview

No single nuclear power plant can provide terawatts of power; instead, a typical plant generates about one gigawatt (GW), and it takes thousands of these plants to produce one terawatt (TW) of power.

 

[Grumblenuts]

???????
Yet, nuclear is the most profitable of all electricity.

If only you could back up any of the nonsense you regularly spew here.

 

[Mac-7]

Bill Gates got lucky 45 years ago

But that does not make him the genius he claims to be

IBM needed an operating system for a funny little PC that they grudgingly lowered themselves to sell

MSDOS was the property of another software developer

IBM came to his home to negotiate a deal but he was goofing off somewhere and missed them

Gates got wind of it and bought the OS, pretty cheap I imagine

Then he did a deal with IBM where he retained ownership outright

And the rest is history

 

[JohnDB]

Either way...
We are in a pickle. We need juice yesterday.
Turning back on 3-mile island is a good start....but we need a LOT more than just that place.

We need a frantic pace put on building generating facilities.
And the Data Centers are ONLY ONE industry developing, we have others coming back to the USA like steel, plastics, robotics, and many more. Might even get some food processing returning.
Car manufacturing is currently in the toilet for good reason....the same reason as why generating capacity has fallen behind

Carbon Credits.

They cost too much.

Let's repeal the damn thing and call it a day.

Coal fired generating plants with scrubbers (removes sulfur and mercury)cost roughly $30-50/mwh to produce

Nuclear costs $175/mwh. (Much Cheaper elsewhere than in America)

Coal becomes more expensive due to carbon credit tax. And at $80-$200/mwh (carbon tax per ton and fluctuating market rates for coal). Coal costs more.

Hey, I get it....long term coal is not really a great answer. But for a short term solution....we have zero other options at the moment. Look at the UK. Carbon tax is what shut down their electricity generating capabilities and now they have a huge shortage.

So....I'm saying we need to figure this out quickly before its too late.

 

[elektra]

Gigawatts is the term you both should be using.

no, gigawatts per hour, or gwh
When you have no education on which you speak you do not know that the correct term is gwh

 

[elektra]

Idiot.
AI Overview

No single nuclear power plant can provide terawatts of power; instead, a typical plant generates about one gigawatt (GW), and it takes thousands of these plants to produce one terawatt (TW) of power.

uh, if you input stupidity into a glorified google search you get the wrong answer back
you did not specify gwh, AI did return an answer, a poor answer, returned in GW. AI should of gave you an answer in gwh but the specific sites AI is programmed to use are sites where ignorant people write propaganda.

This thread is about Three Mile Island, TMI has produced terawatts of power since it was built in the last century!
Grumblenut, you ignorantly compared my fact from the lifetime of electricity produced at Three Mile Island to one singular nuclear plant's output of one hour.

 

[JohnDB]

Let's take a look at solar power.

A 4' X 8' sheet of photovoltaic cells costs around $100-$200 installed. It only provides roughly 100 watt/hr of power. (Many only do 80w/h)

Your electric bill is in KW/H. Usually around $0.11-$0.14+ per kwh.
It's going to take 11-12 sheets to equal 1 kwh. Then there's the equipment, batteries, and maintenance to make it compatible.

Solar is NEVER going to be sufficient to meet our needs. Usually it's used on a couple outside lights for a building so they can pass LEEDs certification to get a building permit. That's it.

It's time to stop playing games with this. We can get clean cheap juice....

If we can keep the politicians from playing games. 3 mile island will likely be just fine. Too many safety protocols for a nuke. If they have the available water and the systems are updated or reworked to work normally....there really shouldn't be any problem.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Let's take a look at solar power.

A 4' X 8' sheet of photovoltaic cells costs around $100-$200 installed. It only provides roughly 100 watt/hr of power. (Many only do 80w/h)

Your electric bill is in KW/H. Usually around $0.11-$0.14+ per kwh.
It's going to take 11-12 sheets to equal 1 kwh. Then there's the equipment, batteries, and maintenance to make it compatible.

Solar is NEVER going to be sufficient to meet our needs. Usually it's used on a couple outside lights for a building so they can pass LEEDs certification to get a building permit. That's it.

It's time to stop playing games with this. We can get clean cheap juice....

If we can keep the politicians from playing games. 3 mile island will likely be just fine. Too many safety protocols for a nuke. If they have the available water and the systems are updated or reworked to work normally....there really shouldn't be any problem.

Jesus Mary and Joseph!

Unlike nukes, solar panels actually pay for themselves over time:

Solar Panel Cost In 2025: It May Be Lower Than You Think

It costs about $28,000 to install solar panels. That's a big number, but it can come down significantly with generous incentives from the federal government, as well as from many states.

www.energysage.com

Oops, suddenly busy now.. I may return with more response later..

 

[elektra]

Unlike nukes, solar panels actually pay for themselves over time

You are posting contradictions not facts.
Show us one nuclear power plant that has not paid for itself

Solar panels, the link you provide states they are paid for by taxpayers.

Your link contradicts your false beliefs.

Thus far you have failed to respond to my first challenge, this is the second.

Your link proved your comment wrong, solar panels are paid for by taxpayers, through force.

Now tell us which nuclear power plant did not pay for itself.

 

[elektra]

I'm mislabeling....my bad. (I'm losing it....my head is full of culinary stuff for the big dinner coming up)
45 gigawatts (terawatts?) are needed to be newly generated within 4 years

I think I remember the "other side" for capacitors....maybe.
Milli
Micro
Nano
Pico
It's one of them things if you don't use it anymore you lose it. And I've been retarded....er...I mean retired for 5 years now from electrical work. I built swtchyards and hospitals and all kinds of industrial plants. Lots of bull work....

One of the neat things is the conductors inside the switches. They are a hollow silver pipe about 4 inches in diameter. (Encased in hexaflourine gas and several layers of ceramic coating the inside of a pressure shell with a LOT of bolts connecting the pieces all having to be torqued to 60nm....that was tiring)

I should remember the prefixes better too.

Because we hooked up the switches to a tester that took 480v at high amps and sent it between the two halos. We only used a little number 12 copper wire (like the size in your house).
The tester jacked up the voltage using a transformer to over 500 kilovolts and the amps were at 2. So basically it was a megawatt getting sent down that little wire. (It began vibrating into a sine wave between the two halos)

The electronic cabinets inside the switch house got smoked because the special installation team that was there to do finals on the control cabinets forgot a jumper wire that day and the insulation on the jumper burned up. (Stinky)

Then the dismantling of the tester was annoying. Because the coils inside don't discharge quickly....it takes days for them to do that. We had to keep a ground on them to even handle the pieces. We got zapped a lot and often on that job.

They say that the first thing to go when you get shocked too much is your memory....I don't remember what goes next.

It is confusing. I got the meaning of what you said and was goin to leave the comment without replying. I am glad I said something cause your response is great. I know nothing of what you described so that is pretty cool information I had not thought of even thinking of

 

[JohnDB]

It is confusing. I got the meaning of what you said and was goin to leave the comment without replying. I am glad I said something cause your response is great. I know nothing of what you described so that is pretty cool information I had not thought of even thinking of

I've done lots of industrial electrical work. What I described was when I was on a crew building a set of switches in a 500kva Transmission switchyard for TVA. There are distribution switchyards too that most people see in and around towns. (I've done both kinds)
It's all heavy hard work. And TVA requires a license to operate or do anything. Even just rigging up a steel beam to a hoist requires two licenses. One for the hoist operation and one for the rigging. The joke was we needed a license to use toilet paper for TVA complete with a training class.

And yes, working in a switchyard is not for schmucks. Everything is energized because of the high voltage and amps. Even the fence around the yard. There's ground wires woven into the fence so we can open the gate without getting lit up. What we worried about the most was finding a pair of shoes and ashes from some copper thief .....those shoes would have a foot but the ashes was the rest of the thief. People are stupid. But then it's a lot of delays as police have to be called and someone called to take away the foot and ashes. Investigation to see if they can identify the foot and retelling the same stupid details 6 times over...."I drove up and I seen a shoe next to the fence....I was gonna kick it away when I noticed the ashes...then we called you guys"

 

[Grumblenuts]

Indeed, good story JohnDB. Meanwhile, elektra remains a total douchebag, backing up none of his/her assertions of fact with any sources, let alone credible ones.

 

[Jarlaxle]

There now exists an electricity shortage in the USA.




Over the next 4 years we need 65 MW of generation capabilities.

Each power plant turbine usually generates around a single MW each.

Some generation facilities only generate one MW of power....others obviously do more.

We need a combination of retrofitting coal burning plants with scrubbers as well as a bunch of new natural gas generators to create the needed supply. And they need to get this done yesterday.

Nuclear. At least two dozen advanced, fourth-generation nuclear power plants (probably Westinghouse AP1000s) should start construction tomorrow.

 

[elektra]

Nuclear. At least two dozen advanced, fourth-generation nuclear power plants (probably Westinghouse AP1000s) should start construction tomorrow.

That is happening in China, and they are AP1000's, our technology, now called China-1000s

 

[Jarlaxle]

That is happening in China, and they are AP1000's, our technology, now called China-1000s

Here, too-two were just added to Vogtle in Georgia.

 

[elektra]

Gigawatts is the term you both should be using.

no, it is gwh, how much per hour any source can produce, unless of course we are talking about solar wind or geothermal than we will use kilowatts, sometimes if the wind is blowing or there are no clouds. Well, technically solar wind and geothermal uses the term, costs the taxpayer trillions upon trillions upon trillions