Microsoft to reopen Three Mile Island Nuclear Plant, Renewables Have Failed.

[elektra]

You're not an expert, you're an idiot.

says the person that can not explain how solar is a viable long term solution

 

[jc456]

says the person that can not explain how solar is a viable long term solution

He’s never answered the no sun scenario

 

[abu afak]

Links don't prove you are right, it just prove you do not have the intellect to discuss this.[/quoe]

The alternative is being like you.. making baseless and false claims like wind and solar "Don't work." LOL
You're used to debating/out-shouting your wife and high-fiving with other no-verifiable-fact MAGAts.

Lazard, where you get your cost estimate, claims 30 year life for wind turbines. That is far from reality.

Lazard is using a 30 year life for coal plants when coal plants operate an easy 75 years.

Abu, you wish for links? Your link is what I am using.

Claim all you want, link all you want, it is still subsidized and not working.

Microsoft must use Nuclear because solar and wind do not work.

LINKS?
LOL.
(and I agreed early in THIS thread with MS using Nukes because AI data centers are the world's most intense demand in a small space.) (perhaps with the small exceptions of accelerator and Fusion experiments)

 

[jc456]

The alternative is being like you.. making baseless and false claims like wind and solar "Don't work." LOL
You're used to debating/out-shouting your wife and high-fiving with other no-verifiable-fact MAGAts.



LINKS?
LOL.
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Not as replacements nope

 

[Crick]

The alternative is being like you.. making baseless and false claims like wind and solar "Don't work." LOL
You're used to debating/out-shouting your wife and high-fiving with other no-verifiable-fact MAGAts.



LINKS?
LOL.
(and I agreed early in THIS thread with MS using Nukes because AI is the world's most intense demand in a small space.) (perhaps with the small exceptions of accelerator and Fusion experiments)

The largest consumers of electricity are manufacturers of chemicals, steel and aluminum.

 

[elektra]

The alternative is being like you.. making baseless and false claims like wind and solar "Don't work." LOL
You're used to debating/out-shouting your wife and high-fiving with other no-verifiable-fact MAGAts.



LINKS?
LOL.
(and I agreed early in THIS thread with MS using Nukes because AI data centers are the world's most intense demand in a small space.) (perhaps with the small exceptions of accelerator and Fusion experiments)

How does solar and wind, work.
They are expensive. You can't show electric bills that have gone down because of solar and wind.

You like Iowa. Iowa gets it's power from MISO, the grid of 11 states and canada. Obviously I know something if zi can tell you Iowa power is MISO.

Iowa utilities are also suing the state to allow them to raise rates. Where is that fact in your posts.

Your source for levelized costs claimed nuclear and coal plants only last 30 years which makes the claims on price false.

You have no explanation to these facts, some coming from your source

 

[abu afak]

How does solar and wind, work.
They are expensive. You can't show electric bills that have gone down because of solar and wind.

You like Iowa. Iowa gets it's power from MISO, the grid of 11 states and canada. Obviously I know something if zi can tell you Iowa power is MISO.

Iowa utilities are also suing the state to allow them to raise rates. Where is that fact in your posts.

Your source for levelized costs claimed nuclear and coal plants only last 30 years which makes the claims on price false.

You have no explanation to these facts, some coming from your source

WTF!
I've posted this about 5 times in the last 6 days. Once in either of TWO threads whose OP says it was already the cheapest in 2020 (EIA) Now Half as much.
(as one would expect from tech)

You just fabricate shlt.
YOUR claim is your politics having ZERO to do with reality.
You just take an EMPTY one or two (Double spaced) sentences to say a still Empty if longer "No."

Cheapest source of Fossil Fuel Generation is Double the Cost of Utility-scale Solar​

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.
June 11, 2024

Lazard released its annual report analyzing levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), a critical measure of cost-efficiency of generation sources across technology types. The report found that onshore wind and utility-scale solar have the lowest LCOE by a large margin.

LCOE measures lifetime costs divided by energy production and calculates the present value of the total cost of building and operating a power plant over an assumed lifetime.

“Despite high end LCOE declines for selected renewable energy technologies, the low ends of our LCOE have increased for the first time ever, driven by the persistence of certain cost pressures (e.g., high interest rates, etc.),” said Lazard. “These two phenomena result in tighter LCOE ranges (offsetting the significant range expansion observed last year) and relatively stable LCOE averages year-over-year.”

Onshore wind ranked as the lowest source of new-build electricity generation, ranging from $27 to $73 per MWh. Utility-scale solar was a close second, ranging $29 to $92 per MWh.

Utility-scale solar has had the most aggressive cost reduction curve of all technologies, falling about 83% since 2009, when new build solar generation had an LCOE of over $350 per MWh.
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Cheapest source of fossil fuel generation is double the cost of utility-scale solar​

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.

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[elektra]

WTF!
I've posted this about 5 times in the last 6 days. Once in either of TWO threads whose OP says it was already the cheapest in 2020 (EIA) Now Half as much.
(as one would expect from tech)

You just fabricate shlt.
YOUR claim is your politics having ZERO to do with reality.
You just take an EMPTY one or two (Double spaced) sentences to say a still Empty if longer "No."

Cheapest source of Fossil Fuel Generation is Double the Cost of Utility-scale Solar​

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.
June 11, 2024

Lazard released its annual report analyzing levelized cost of electricity (LCOE), a critical measure of cost-efficiency of generation sources across technology types. The report found that onshore wind and utility-scale solar have the lowest LCOE by a large margin.

LCOE measures lifetime costs divided by energy production and calculates the present value of the total cost of building and operating a power plant over an assumed lifetime.

“Despite high end LCOE declines for selected renewable energy technologies, the low ends of our LCOE have increased for the first time ever, driven by the persistence of certain cost pressures (e.g., high interest rates, etc.),” said Lazard. “These two phenomena result in tighter LCOE ranges (offsetting the significant range expansion observed last year) and relatively stable LCOE averages year-over-year.”

Onshore wind ranked as the lowest source of new-build electricity generation, ranging from $27 to $73 per MWh. Utility-scale solar was a close second, ranging $29 to $92 per MWh.

Utility-scale solar has had the most aggressive cost reduction curve of all technologies, falling about 83% since 2009, when new build solar generation had an LCOE of over $350 per MWh.
[.......]

Cheapest source of fossil fuel generation is double the cost of utility-scale solar​

Solar levelized cost of electricity (LCOE) has fallen to $29 to $92 per MWh, said a report from Lazard.

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Why is it subsidized. If cheap.

 

[abu afak]

Why is it subsidized. If cheap.

It's subsidized to varying degrees because it's Healthy both on a local and Intl/Climate level.
And unlike fossil fuels, again, tech keeps getting better and cheaper. Down like 90% since 2010.
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[Dekster]

Wind or Solar is Obviously NOT the best solution for every use.
(and that/settings was posted by me previously)

That does Not mean they have "failed.'' Stupid or partisan sweeping deduction.

In this case Microsoft knew they needed ultra-high concentrated power for the planet's biggest power gobblers: AI data centers.
Correct/Smart move.

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Half correct. The data centers are not all going to be in TMI's orbit. They can generate a lot of grid credits they can redeem for power they take off all over the place though. It won't matter who produces the electrons the data centers or how, just so long as MS can trade electrons from TMI for electrons made by California solar farms and Colorado wind turbines.

 

[abu afak]

Half correct. The data centers are not all going to be in TMI's orbit. They can generate a lot of grid credits they can redeem for power they take off all over the place though. It won't matter who produces the electrons the data centers or how, just so long as MS can trade electrons from TMI for electrons made by California solar farms and Colorado wind turbines.

It didn't have to all be used for AI to be 'correct.' Some would obviously have to ie, benefit the NIMBY locals. It was a very smart move/'Power grab' by MSFT in an ERA where AI has added significantly to the natl power demand. Could be an industrial park of AIs or related data storage, or any industrial use as well. It's all added to the overall grid which now will have greater demand than anticipated.
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[abu afak]

abu afak
Abu I challenged you to step up.
The levelized costs, how come we can't just look at our electric bills and see if electricity is going up or down

Lazard, they claim, use a perfect scenario for solar and wind while using figures for fossil fuels that are literally, lies. Why are you refusing to discuss this

Iowa wind installed in theory enough wind turbines to provide 64% of the electricity. In reality we are not told if those wind turbines are even working.

Iowa does not provide power to itself, it is ties to MISO which gets power from coal, nuclear, and fossil fuels. An 11 state region plus a provence in canada

Google
AI Overview
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Yes, solar energy is cheaper than other energy sources without subsidies:

• Cost over time
  Solar and wind power are cheaper than coal, nuclear, and natural gas over the lifetime of a power facility.
• 
  
• Cost per kilowatt hour
  Solar power is cheaper than natural gas.
• 
  
• Cost of new installations
  New solar and wind installations can be cheaper than existing coal-fired plants.
• 
  
• Learning curve
  The cost of solar power decreases as the scale of production increases. For every doubling of installed solar capacity, the price of solar electricity declines by 36%.

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[elektra]

You poor stupid girl.

You know I am a man, you call me a girl to insult me. That makes me feel real good cause anyone who reads what you wrote won't agree, they will go back if they are that curious, and see that when I asked you to explain, they would see that you are of such low intelligence that all you could do is try a pathetic insult.

solar and wind are complete failures, not even the biggest billionaire democrats will use them, but hey, part time electricity is good enough for you.

 

[elektra]

Google
AI Overview
Learn more…Opens in new tab size=]

Yes, solar energy is cheaper than other energy sources without subsidies:

• Cost over time
  Solar and wind power are cheaper than coal, nuclear, and natural gas over the lifetime of a power facility.
• 
  
• Cost per kilowatt hour
  Solar power is cheaper than natural gas.
• 
  
• Cost of new installations
  New solar and wind installations can be cheaper than existing coal-fired plants.
• 
  
• Learning curve
  The cost of solar power decreases as the scale of production increases. For every doubling of installed solar capacity, the price of solar electricity declines by 36%.

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Why is solar and wind subsidized if cheap?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Bill Gates has made the decision that solar, wind, and batteries are two weak, expensive, inefficient to power the future.

Three Mile Island (home of one of three U.S. reactor meltdowns) will be reopened after shutting down in 2019.

The power needs of artificial intelligence are so great they will use the entire output of one Nuclear Reactor.

Why Microsoft made a deal to help restart Three Mile Island

A once-shuttered nuclear plant could soon return to the grid.

www.technologyreview.com

This news is fascinating for so many reasons. Obviously this site holds a certain significance in the history of nuclear power in the US. There’s a possibility this would be one of the first reactors in the country to reopen after shutting down. And Microsoft will be buying all the electricity from the reactor.

I did watch an article a little while back pointing out renewables won't be able to cope with the increasing demand data centres require, so I'm not surprised Gates is switching back to nuclear.

The thing is, if solar and windmills are the answer, why hasn't everyone got them on the roofs of their houses? I mean, we're told it's free electric, how stupid can we all be? Once fusion has been harnessed, all these debates will disappear along with the solar panels and windmills.

 

[elektra]

I did watch an article a little while back pointing out renewables won't be able to cope with the increasing demand data centres require, so I'm not surprised Gates is switching back to nuclear.

The thing is, if solar and windmills are the answer, why hasn't everyone got them on the roofs of their houses? I mean, we're told it's free electric, how stupid can we all be? Once fusion has been harnessed, all these debates will disappear along with the solar panels and windmills.

If the subsidies disappear, solar and wind disappear.

The proof they don't work is simple.

Abu claims wind alone provides 62% of one states power.
Abu claims wind and solar are the cheapest.
Abu claims nothing is installed more of, and faster.

Yet Bill Gates will wait 2 to 3 years for one Nuclear power plant to be brought back online. According to abu this is the most expensive option.

The government gives out trillions to any corporation willing to buy up farmland and install wind and sun.

Free money to foreign corporations has them all over our country, helping to destroy it.

 

[Crick]

Why is solar and wind subsidized if cheap?

Why do you attempt to dispute facts in evidence - particularly when you present NO facts, NO evidence yourself?

You seem to expect us to simply take your word for it, yet you have made numerous demonstrably false claims on this topic.

 

[elektra]

Why do you attempt to dispute facts in evidence - particularly when you present NO facts, NO evidence yourself?

You seem to expect us to simply take your word for it, yet you have made numerous demonstrably false claims on this topic.

It is a fact that solar and wind are given billions by the government. I have made OP's on the issue.

Crick, your concern must be addressed. I will make an OP. I will make a great OP. It will be the best OP the USMB has seen. The OP will be pure fact. I will use great links in my OP

Crick, you know I am always right, I know you won't admit it but your frustration is not with me but with what I am teaching you.

 

[Crick]

It is a fact that solar and wind are given billions by the government.

You need to stay attached to reality. "solar and wind" are not an entity that can be given or use moneys. Companies have received subsidies which have defrayed some of the costs of installation and startup. That money is supplied for a very real purpose and serves a very real need. That is NOT the case with the billions in annual subsidies the oil industry receives and that's just from this nation.

I have made OP's on the issue.

Big fucking whoop.

Crick, your concern must be addressed.

Okay. Admit that your claims about solar and wind technology are almost universally incorrect and you frequently and knowingly lie

I will make an OP.

Be still my beating heart.

I will make a great OP. It will be the best OP the USMB has seen. The OP will be pure fact. I will use great links in my OP

I'm quite sure that will not be the case which will make this statement just another of your lies.

Crick, you know I am always right

I know you have FREQUENTLY been absolutely incorrect, that you have provided virtually NO evidence and virtually NO supporting links to any of your ignorant bullshit claims.

I know you won't admit it but your frustration is not with me but with what I am teaching you.

Teaching me?!?!? HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAaaaaaaa.

 

[elektra]

You need to stay attached to reality. "solar and wind" are not an entity that can be given or use moneys. Companies have received subsidies which have defrayed some of the costs of installation and startup. That money is supplied for a very real purpose and serves a very real need. That is NOT the case with the billions in annual subsidies the oil industry receives and that's just from this nation.

First and foremost, the oil industry uses tax breaks that solar and wind use, that all corporations use. Tax deductions are not subsidies.

Some of? If you call trillions of dollars, some of ...

Subsidies with the new laws go far beyond construction and start up, to prevent continuing bankruptcies subsidies are now paid on every watt produced .

Let's see if crick can provide a coherent reply