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Were you going to show me proof the FBI agents that interviewed Flynn have changed their minds about his truthfulness?
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Not months. And yes, of course he remembers what he discussed. And he knew he wasn't supposed to be doing that.Knowing that someone is trying to trap you in a "lie" doesn't make any easier to remember details from things you said months earlier, Fort!
Yes, it's called the prosecutor's official report and the FBI documents, where the facts show Flynn lied. These are facts. No, nobody is going to say, "Well, he didn't seem like he was lying at the time, so these facts can't be right!". Stop being silly.Were you going to show me proof the FBI agents that interviewed Flynn have changed their minds about his truthfulness?
Fake NewsCNBC has this story up here that the DC Court of Appeals rejected the request by Michael Flynn to enforce the Dept of (In)Justice’s request, planted by Donnie Deathcount henchling AG Barr, for dismissal of his case. The vote was 8-2.
If you recollect, Justice Sullivan appointed a special master to review the case for dismissal and invited third parties to respond to the request. Justice Sullivan denied the request for dismissal. Flynn appealed to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. In a 2-1 decision (led by Trump appointee Naomi Rao), a panel determined Sullivan would have to follow the DoJ request and dismiss the case. Sullivan appealed to the full Court.
Today’s ruling smacks down the Trump appointee (any surprise there?) and:
The Court also dismissed Flynn’s request that Judge Sullivan be removed from the case. That was also denied. The case goes back to Judge Sullivan for ruling and potential Flynn sentencing.In an 8-2 ruling, the appeals court judges indicated that Flynn’s request was premature, since U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan of Washington had not yet even ruled on the dismissal request by the Justice Department.
Former Trump advisor Michael Flynn loses appeal seeking quick dismissal of criminal case
Flynn, President Trump's first national security advisor, had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his talks with a Russian diplomat.www.cnbc.com
Don't forget Comey and Obama in all this.He pled guilty because they threatened to go after his son. What they had on "tape" was the result of the Carter Page FISA Court debacle. It's the way that scum like Brennan and Clapper used their intelligence agencies to go after the Trump Administration.
Grand Jury clause said:No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; ...
Double jeopardy said:... nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
What does that have to do with the topic under discussion?We need a re-education camp for lawyers.
Grand Jury clause said:No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; ...
- An infamous crime is one that goes on a person's record for life, or has the effect of depriving a person of civil rights, such as the right to keep and bear arms.
- All felonies, sex offenses, crimes of domestic violence, and serious crimes, anywhere in the jurisdiction of the United States, are, by law, infamous crimes.
- Except for a court martial of a proper, established, narrowly prescribed jurisdiction, all infamous crimes alleged to have been committed within the jurisdiction of the United States require the indictment of a grand jury to prosecute in court by law.
- If the grand jury declines to indict, then by law the defendant is exonerated and free to go, and cannot be tried again or convicted on that matter.
- Coerced confessions and unwarranted wiretaps are not admissible in court as evidence against a defendant.
- Law enforcement officers, judges, defense attorneys, and district attorneys are not allowed to take any adverse actions against a defendant's life, freedom, or possessions outside the law, or over, above, or beyond the law.
Double jeopardy said:... nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Fake News. The Court didn't reject dismissing the case, the Court refused to order Circus Sullivan to dismiss the case before Sullivan had an opportunity to rule on dismissing the case.CNBC has this story up here that the DC Court of Appeals rejected the request by Michael Flynn to enforce the Dept of (In)Justice’s request, planted by Donnie Deathcount henchling AG Barr, for dismissal of his case. The vote was 8-2.
If you recollect, Justice Sullivan appointed a special master to review the case for dismissal and invited third parties to respond to the request. Justice Sullivan denied the request for dismissal. Flynn appealed to the DC Circuit Court of Appeals. In a 2-1 decision (led by Trump appointee Naomi Rao), a panel determined Sullivan would have to follow the DoJ request and dismiss the case. Sullivan appealed to the full Court.
Today’s ruling smacks down the Trump appointee (any surprise there?) and:
The Court also dismissed Flynn’s request that Judge Sullivan be removed from the case. That was also denied. The case goes back to Judge Sullivan for ruling and potential Flynn sentencing.In an 8-2 ruling, the appeals court judges indicated that Flynn’s request was premature, since U.S. District Court Judge Emmet Sullivan of Washington had not yet even ruled on the dismissal request by the Justice Department.
Former Trump advisor Michael Flynn loses appeal seeking quick dismissal of criminal case
Flynn, President Trump's first national security advisor, had pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his talks with a Russian diplomat.www.cnbc.com
Felonies and other infamous criminal charges are life-ruiners. Fucking asshole pervert piece-of-shit Democrat lawyers always want to "have it made" and they're constantly trying to make it progressively easier and easier on themselves to ruin anyone's life in court without accepting any responsibility or accountability for their life-ruining actions under color of law. Obviously you've never had "frenemies" or shirt-tail relatives or in-laws bent on playing practical jokes and pulling other "party" stunts to ruin your life, and enjoying themselves at the expense of your freedoms and rights.What does that have to do with the topic under discussion?
There's a difference between someone's story not matching things they said at an earlier time and someone deliberately telling lies. If it hadn't been for the higher ups at the FBI, the CIA, the NSA and the Justice Department overruling the field agent's belief that Flynn wasn't lying this is a case that NEVER would have seen the light of day!Not months. And yes, of course he remembers what he discussed. And he knew he wasn't supposed to be doing that.Knowing that someone is trying to trap you in a "lie" doesn't make any easier to remember details from things you said months earlier, Fort!
And how is it a "trap"? Are you implying that they KNEW he would lie? And so he did... that makes it a trap? Okay then... what's the problem?
You said that you had proof that the FBI agents who interviewed Flynn had changed their minds about him not lying. That's not a prosecutor's report or the FBI documents that came out of the Washington office and were pushed by people like Page and Strozk! You obviously don't have proof...just admit it.Yes, it's called the prosecutor's official report and the FBI documents, where the facts show Flynn lied. These are facts. No, nobody is going to say, "Well, he didn't seem like he was lying at the time, so these facts can't be right!". Stop being silly.Were you going to show me proof the FBI agents that interviewed Flynn have changed their minds about his truthfulness?
The lawyers are getting in trouble with the bar already.overruling the field agent's belief that Flynn wasn't lying
So, for the first time in American history that I know of, a judge is going to prosecute a case without a prosecutor, thereby trampling all over the Separation of Powers that our Constitution requires. We are officially no longer a nation of laws, we are a nation of men who can ignore the law for political purposes. Sullivan is going to do whatever he wants, but if he does not rule in Flynn's favor then this whole bullshit case will end up in the Supreme court, where it will be dismissed.
So, for the first time in American history that I know of, a judge is going to prosecute a case without a prosecutor, thereby trampling all over the Separation of Powers that our Constitution requires. We are officially no longer a nation of laws, we are a nation of men who can ignore the law for political purposes. Sullivan is going to do whatever he wants, but if he does not rule in Flynn's favor then this whole bullshit case will end up in the Supreme court, where it will be dismissed.
So I guess now in this batshit crazy nation of ours it is perfectly OK for a judge to be the judge, the jury, the prosecutor and perhaps even the executioner.
The Deep State is like a bull dog. It has ahold of Flynn and refuses to let go.
In the end Trump will pardon Flynn but that will not offset or rectify the expense and difficulty Flynn has been put through.
The foreign agent pled guilty to a felony.Felonies and other infamous criminal charges are life-ruiners. Fucking asshole pervert piece-of-shit Democrat lawyers always want to "have it made" and they're constantly trying to make it progressively easier and easier on themselves to ruin anyone's life in court without accepting any responsibility or accountability for their life-ruining actions under color of law. Obviously you've never had "frenemies" or shirt-tail relatives or in-laws bent on playing practical jokes and pulling other "party" stunts to ruin your life, and enjoying themselves at the expense of your freedoms and rights.What does that have to do with the topic under discussion?
You are dead right. Flynn's counsel strongly hinted that if the Court left that ball in Sullivan's hand that he would do the right thing and dismiss the case, so, we'll see. If he doesn't, then Flynn can demonstrate actual harm from Sullivan's independent frolic, and right back to court he goes.So, for the first time in American history that I know of, a judge is going to prosecute a case without a prosecutor, thereby trampling all over the Separation of Powers that our Constitution requires. We are officially no longer a nation of laws, we are a nation of men who can ignore the law for political purposes. Sullivan is going to do whatever he wants, but if he does not rule in Flynn's favor then this whole bullshit case will end up in the Supreme court, where it will be dismissed.
So I guess now in this batshit crazy nation of ours it is perfectly OK for a judge to be the judge, the jury, the prosecutor and perhaps even the executioner.
The Deep State is like a bull dog. It has ahold of Flynn and refuses to let go.
In the end Trump will pardon Flynn but that will not offset or rectify the expense and difficulty Flynn has been put through.
The Deep State creates its own 'morality' which may or may not have anything to do with traditional American morals and values. No, their 'morals' change with political expediency and how much power they can gather and maintain. Then they bend the law to favor their oh-so 'moral' cause.So I guess now in this batshit crazy nation of ours it is perfectly OK for a judge to be the judge, the jury, the prosecutor and perhaps even the executioner.
The Deep State is like a bull dog. It has ahold of Flynn and refuses to let go.
In the end Trump will pardon Flynn but that will not offset or rectify the expense and difficulty Flynn has been put through.
The Deep State creates its own 'morality' which may or may not have anything to do with traditional American morals and values. No, their 'morals' change with political expediency and how much power they can gather and maintain. Then they bend the law to favor their oh-so 'moral' cause.So I guess now in this batshit crazy nation of ours it is perfectly OK for a judge to be the judge, the jury, the prosecutor and perhaps even the executioner.
The Deep State is like a bull dog. It has ahold of Flynn and refuses to let go.
In the end Trump will pardon Flynn but that will not offset or rectify the expense and difficulty Flynn has been put through.