Mexicans and Zionists

We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is a Jewish state here. In considerable areas of the country we bought lands from the Arabs. Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you, because these geography books no longer exist; not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahalal arose in the place of Mahalul, Gevat — in the place of Jibta, Sarid — in the place of Haneifs and Kefar Yehoshua — in the place of Tell Shaman. There is no one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.
Moshe Dayan - Wikiquote

And here is another famous quote by a famous Zionist:

"Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs".

David Ben-Gurion - Wikiquote

And besides that the international law does not recognize any promises of any gods, be they Jewish, Christian or Muslim gods.

The sad part is the way you mislead people bringing out of context quotes of great leaders to promote your propaganda..which is obviously out of ground.

1. Moshe Dayan gave the Temple Mount back to the Arabs to promote peaceful solution, he also encouraged the E.Jerusalem Arabs to stay (Nabi Mousa riots remember?)
All of that to promote peaceful solution, like many Jews in history Dayan was pure optimist.

2.David Ben-Gurion quote is a response to the 3-No Khartoum, relating to the Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanese, and Syrian and Iraqis..Not the Palestinians, and the religious part is rhetorical if you can't see that, I'll explain that one to you.
Ben Gurion was Atheists.

Next?
 
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With the recent plague of unwanted and mainly illegal immigrants from Mexico coming into the U.S., I think it may be instructive to compare this phenomenon with the influx of Zionists to the “Holy Land*” over the past 150 years.

As a host country, there are only a few things one expects (or demand) of immigrants. They should come in legally – whether as documented immigrants or authorized guest workers – obey the law when they get here, assimilate, and become “productive citizens” as quickly as possible, rather than being a drain on public resources.

If all Mexicans coming into this country followed those guidelines, they – like other immigrant groups who preceded them – would quickly become yet another demographic asset to the total American society.

Now for contrast, consider the Zionists’ emigration to the Holy Land.

They went there with no intention of assimilating. They obeyed the laws grudgingly, manipulating them to their advantage when possible, particularly in the area of land titles and deeds, which were rarely used before their arrival. Their intention from the beginning was not only to forge a new State, but to drive out as many of the original inhabitants as possible, and for those they couldn’t drive out, to relegate the remaining Arab populations to less-than-second-class “citizen” status. Indeed, the indigenous population was (and is still) treated in Israel in a manner that is not unlike the black Africans were treated during the “apartheid” period in South Africa. There is essentially no mixing of Arab and Israeli in Israel, except to the extent that Arabs act as domestic servants and menial workers in the Israeli society.

The Zionists challenged the legitimacy of the existing government, referring to it as nothing more than an inconsequential outpost of the Ottoman Empire, and claimed not only a “right” to form their new State, but a “right” to designate it as a “jewish” state, formed solely for the benefit of the jewish people of the world (who chose to move there). These rights are, basically, based on an archaeologically-questionable history dating back thousands of years, and promises supposedly made to them by their “god.” These rights rather conspicuously ignore the most recent 1500 years, when Arab Muslims predominated and ruled. If you made this up, nobody would believe you.

Again and again, they have embarked on campaigns of ethnic cleansing and genocide, seeking to kill or remove or drive out all of the Arabs they could, destroying property (homes, schools, mosques, hospitals, etc), infrastructure, and then building roads, whole towns, and structures in place of those that they destroyed. Time after time, they have attacked their neighbors without legitimate cause, claiming in each case that they were merely defending themselves from attacks by Egypt and others. Both Israel and most of the rest of the world have adopted the rewritten history of these mythical acts of aggression against the jewish state.

In 1948, largely driven by sympathy for the “Holocaust,” the U.N. proposed partitioning the Holy Land into two separate states: a jewish state comprising 80% of the territory in question (for the 25% of the population that was “Israeli”), and 20% of the territory for the 75% of the population that was Arab. And the still-surviving Israeli myth is that the Arabs “unreasonably” refused this arrangement. Incredible, isn’t it?

Since then, they have attempted to make impossible the ultimate creation of an “Arab state” by populating and placing settlements and infrastructure in large swaths of the territory supposedly set aside for the Arab state, leaving only territory that no rational person would want, in a broken up joke of a territory with no rational borders. Israel has in fact taken over all of the usable terrirory( except Gaza) where the Arab state could even hope to exist.

The Israeli state has a long list of demands for the ultimate resolution of the “issues.” Most perversely, there must be a perpetual “right of return” for anyone in the world having or claiming jewish lineage from thousands of years ago, while the topic of a “right of return” for the Arabs they have criminally driven out – the actual PEOPLE, not their descendants - of the territory is “off the table.” Again, you couldn’t make this up.

It is demanded that the leaders of the exiled Arab population acknowledge not only Israel’s “right to exist,” but its right to exist AS A JEWISH NATION, as a pre-condition to any settlement. Thus, the displaced Arabs could never hope to return as citizens. Really? Where does that “right” originate? In the U.N. charter? The Torah? Certainly not the Quran. What other country demands a right to exclude from government and even citizenship the rights and very existence of the people who actually came from that place? It is preposterous.

Israel claims to be a “democracy,” which is only arguably true if you DO NOT COUNT the millions of people who have been driven away by the Israeli’s, and are not permitted to live there or vote.

Getting back to our Mexican “problem,” many of us know that much of the territory that now comprises Arizona, New Mexico, California, Oregon, and Washington was once part of Mexico. What if our current Mexican immigrants proposed creating a new country in that territory, driving out as many as possible of those Anglo’s and “Negro’s” who live there now, and relegating the remaining ones to second-class citizenship? And what if they demanded a right for any Mexicans who chose to, to come to the new country (“Aztlán”) and be accepted immediately as citizens, while basically barring the return of anyone who had been driven out?

I would personally be fine with that, but most Americans would object. Certainly the people living in California would have a problem with it.

The current crisis in Gaza is just the latest manifestation of the refusal of those damned “Palestinians” to accept the oppression and crumbs from the Israeli’s table and BE SATISFIED WITH IT.

Why can’t they just be reasonable and stop fighting Israel? It’s a real mystery.

* I use the expression, “Holy Land” to avoid any distraction arguing about whether it is Israel, Palestine, Samaria, or whatever else it may be called.

In initially skimming over your post I noticed you put the words Holocaust in quotes. That tells me everything I have to know... That you're a Bigot and a Racist . The idea of a Jewish Homeland way way before WW2. The TWO STATE SOLUTION was introduced even then but rejected by the Arabs. Your entire post is nothing but lies but especially where you state the Israelis initiated the 67 War. Concerned about " racism?" Explain why Abbas had declared the Palestinian State to be a NJA/ No Israelis Allowed Area. Do you think Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim/ Arab Countries would tolerate Jews? Educate yourself and read about Hamas and what their plans are if the " Two State Solution" is ever achieved ( It won't be)
BTW, there are Arabs in Israel :cuckoo:
 
The 'nakba' represent the mentality of the Palestinians, they didn't care they got the bigger chunk of Israel - they called it Catastrophe that the Jews formed a state, hostile ignorants..greedy selfish and useless people that contribute nothing but violence to the Zionists, nothing changed ever since!
The sea is the same sea and the Arabs are the same Arabs..

If some self-proclaimed "heir" came to your property and proclaimed that his god had promised your property to him, and you got a bit more than 50% of your property left to you, would you be happy with such a division of your property?

It doesn't only have to do with G-d, but with history, archaelogy, ancestry, refuge, etc.
 
Let us hear what other Arabs have said:

"There are no differences between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. We are all part of one nation. It is only for political reasons that we carefully underline our Palestinian identity... yes, the existence of a separate Palestinian identity serves only tactical purposes. The founding of a Palestinian state is a new tool in the continuing battle against Israel".
- Zuhair Muhsin, military commander of the PLO and member of the PLO Executive Council -

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. There is no Palestine in the Bible. Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it".
- Auni Bey Abdul-Hadi, Syrian Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937 -


"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not".
- Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian, 1946 -


"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but Southern Syria".
- Representant of Saudi Arabia at the United Nations, 1956 -
 
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So...what difference does it make that "there has never been a country called Palestine"? WGAS? Does that justify the driving out and theft from the indigenous population?
 
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