Merry Pagan's Day

[hortysir]

Maybe they won't change their belief but you know what......maybe they'll just shut up about it.

When I was in the third and fourth grades at McKensie(sic) and Milan, TN the teachers began our days with the pledge of allegiance and the lord's prayer. They assigned a bible verse to each of us on Mondays to memori e and recite back to the class on Fridays. We've already come a long way toward living up to the constitution and leaving that unadulterated crap out of our schools. I will never live to see it but maybe my grandchildren will live to see Thomas Jefferson and others among our forebears wishes come to pass:

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
~Thomas Jefferson~ letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

When a past president of America felt comfortable saying this to a sitting president one can quickly reali e how close to theocrasy this nation found itself a short 60 years ago when the bible thumping right added "Under God" to our pledge and wrote into law the printing of "In God We Trust" on our currency while at the same time public schools were teaching young students the bible. At least I've had the privilege to witness that much change. Try teaching that Jesus bullshit in public schools today. The ACLU and hundreds of thousands of parents would be all over the schools as soon as they heard about it.

Check the Religion forum and tell me how many threads are started by Christians demeaning atheists/agnostics, then tell me who should shut up.

 

[California Girl]

Maybe they won't change their belief but you know what......maybe they'll just shut up about it.

When I was in the third and fourth grades at McKensie(sic) and Milan, TN the teachers began our days with the pledge of allegiance and the lord's prayer. They assigned a bible verse to each of us on Mondays to memori e and recite back to the class on Fridays. We've already come a long way toward living up to the constitution and leaving that unadulterated crap out of our schools. I will never live to see it but maybe my grandchildren will live to see Thomas Jefferson and others among our forebears wishes come to pass:

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
~Thomas Jefferson~ letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

When a past president of America felt comfortable saying this to a sitting president one can quickly reali e how close to theocrasy this nation found itself a short 60 years ago when the bible thumping right added "Under God" to our pledge and wrote into law the printing of "In God We Trust" on our currency while at the same time public schools were teaching young students the bible. At least I've had the privilege to witness that much change. Try teaching that Jesus bullshit in public schools today. The ACLU and hundreds of thousands of parents would be all over the schools as soon as they heard about it.

Check the Religion forum and tell me how many threads are started by Christians demeaning atheists/agnostics, then tell me who should shut up.

Always makes me smile when some jack shit stupid fool like Cam rants about some festival, such as Christmas. I, as a Catholic, was never told that 12/25 was Jesus' actual birth date.... just that it is the date that we celebrate it. Apparently, it's everyone else's fault that he was too stupid to understand that basic truth as a child... and he's still butt hurt about it.

He's almost as dumb as rdweeb and truthmocker.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Maybe they won't change their belief but you know what......maybe they'll just shut up about it.

When I was in the third and fourth grades at McKensie(sic) and Milan, TN the teachers began our days with the pledge of allegiance and the lord's prayer. They assigned a bible verse to each of us on Mondays to memori e and recite back to the class on Fridays. We've already come a long way toward living up to the constitution and leaving that unadulterated crap out of our schools. I will never live to see it but maybe my grandchildren will live to see Thomas Jefferson and others among our forebears wishes come to pass:

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
~Thomas Jefferson~ letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

When a past president of America felt comfortable saying this to a sitting president one can quickly reali e how close to theocrasy this nation found itself a short 60 years ago when the bible thumping right added "Under God" to our pledge and wrote into law the printing of "In God We Trust" on our currency while at the same time public schools were teaching young students the bible. At least I've had the privilege to witness that much change. Try teaching that Jesus bullshit in public schools today. The ACLU and hundreds of thousands of parents would be all over the schools as soon as they heard about it.

Check the Religion forum and tell me how many threads are started by Christians demeaning atheists/agnostics, then tell me who should shut up.

Always makes me smile when some jack shit stupid fool like Cam rants about some festival, such as Christmas. I, as a Catholic, was never told that 12/25 was Jesus' actual birth date.... just that it is the date that we celebrate it. Apparently, it's everyone else's fault that he was too stupid to understand that basic truth as a child... and he's still butt hurt about it.

He's almost as dumb as rdweeb and truthmocker.

I read the book of mormon and the bible before I was 20 years old. I have read the new testment no less than ten times with concordances close by for additional opinion. I had most of the new testament memori ed chapter and verse while I was still in my 20's. Most
Christians can't recite ten sentences from the bible from memory. That's the main reason they hate me so much. I know what's in it and I know that most of them don't even come close to living the way they are instructed to do.

Walk the extra mile
Turn the other cheek
Love thy neighbor as thyself
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
If sued in court for coat, voluntarily give cloak
Take no thought for tomorrow(401K's seem to be a fad)
Sell what you have and give it to the poor
Judge not for you will be judged by the same measure
Faith without works is dead
Be ye therefore perfect even as the father in heaven is perfect

I might toss in: "He that spareth his rod hateth his son"

DON'T BE WALKIN ON WATER, HEALING LEPROSY OR TURNING WATER INTO WINE...THAT'S MY SCHTICK

SIGNED

Jesus

 

[ABikerSailor]

It all started about the time that Rome was expanding and sacked Jerusalem. The Roman leaders saw the power of the Jewish religion, so they decided to take it back with them to Rome.

Only trouble is.....Rome was inhabited by pagans at the time who would never accept a monotheistic religion unless it had elements of their beliefs in it as well, which is why Christmas is celebrated around the Winter Solstice.

Additionally, they took the story of Yeshua being in Jerusalem at Passover (which DOESN'T fall on the Spring Solstice, sometimes it's before, sometimes it's after), and mixed Easter with all it's fertility symbols (rabbits, eggs, etc), and timed it for the Spring Solstice (hence the reason for the Easter Sunrise Service).

For awhile, here in America, Christmas was either banned or simply not celebrated during the early years of this country.

Might help to study up on the real history of Christmas sometime.

And the Christmas Tree? It's a changed ritual from the pagan rite of burning a Yule log.

 

[Cammmpbell]

It all started about the time that Rome was expanding and sacked Jerusalem. The Roman leaders saw the power of the Jewish religion, so they decided to take it back with them to Rome.

Only trouble is.....Rome was inhabited by pagans at the time who would never accept a monotheistic religion unless it had elements of their beliefs in it as well, which is why Christmas is celebrated around the Winter Solstice.

Additionally, they took the story of Yeshua being in Jerusalem at Passover (which DOESN'T fall on the Spring Solstice, sometimes it's before, sometimes it's after), and mixed Easter with all it's fertility symbols (rabbits, eggs, etc), and timed it for the Spring Solstice (hence the reason for the Easter Sunrise Service).

For awhile, here in America, Christmas was either banned or simply not celebrated during the early years of this country.

Might help to study up on the real history of Christmas sometime.

And the Christmas Tree? It's a changed ritual from the pagan rite of burning a Yule log.

You ever heard about the Roman emperor Constantine

About 350 AD that ol' boy became the poster boy for Christianity. Pagan religions were at the forefront and Christianity was on the way out. He decided which Christian holidays would be celebrated and when...he decided which gospels would be in the new testament and which ones would not....but most of all....the center of Christianity became Rome and the Vatican. They have billions of dollars worth of rare, fine art, jewelry and gold out the arse, buildings which put Washington DC to shame, and you can bet your arse they will hold onto it.

The church is a game devised by those who have always profitied from it. They believe that 2000 year old tale about as much as I do but the power and wealth will keep them pretending...you can go ahead and place a bet on that.

 

[Mr. President]

Now that we have all assisted in increasing the number of hits on the google search engine for "History of Christmas" and "Christian Pagan Holidays" can we bring out the eggnog hang a stocking burn a yule log in the fire place decorate a tree and watch a Charlie Brown Christmas.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Now that we have all assisted in increasing the number of hits on the google search engine for "History of Christmas" and "Christian Pagan Holidays" can we bring out the eggnog hang a stocking burn a yule log in the fire place decorate a tree and watch a Charlie Brown Christmas.

Each and every one of which fits the new U S world of commercialism.

I repeat...most everyday corporations rely on Christmas for at least 20%-25% of their total sales in any given year.

The three wise men didn't give the first gift to an adult. They brought their frankincense and myrrh to the child. Commercialism is responsible for the adult gifts..........PERIOD!

Wise up people. Send your extra money to the starving children in 3rd world countries or the one my wife and I have chosen for the last several years:

https://secure.smiletrain.org

 

[AmericanFirst]

Now that we have all assisted in increasing the number of hits on the google search engine for "History of Christmas" and "Christian Pagan Holidays" can we bring out the eggnog hang a stocking burn a yule log in the fire place decorate a tree and watch a Charlie Brown Christmas.

Each and every one of which fits the new U S world of commercialism.

I repeat...most everyday corporations rely on Christmas for at least 20%-25% of their total sales in any given year.

The three wise men didn't give the first gift to an adult. They brought their frankincense and myrrh to the child. Commercialism is responsible for the adult gifts..........PERIOD!

Wise up people. Send your extra money to the starving children in 3rd world countries or the one my wife and I have chosen for the last several years:

https://secure.smiletrain.org

For someone that doesn't believe the Bible you acknowledge a truth in it. You can't have it both ways, it is either the truth or not.

 

[AmericanFirst]

That's because they're instructed from birth, they're forced to memorize and pray multiple times..it's normal for them! Not at all like Christians that have a CHOICE, and a close communication with God. WE can talk to HIM anytime we want....not so with muslims.

Incorrect on several points.

Muslims do have a choice and can communicate with God on an intimate level anytime they want.

Muslims are forced and they do not pray to the one and only God. They pray to satan.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. Sounds like Campbell, wants to throw out the baby with the bath water, then go outside and beat the baby and bury it.
2. Just wow.
3. Herod tried that, he failed, but he did manage to murder a lot of innocent babies, what a baby killer, his evil out lasted his good, what a loser.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[hortysir]

Maybe they won't change their belief but you know what......maybe they'll just shut up about it.

When I was in the third and fourth grades at McKensie(sic) and Milan, TN the teachers began our days with the pledge of allegiance and the lord's prayer. They assigned a bible verse to each of us on Mondays to memori e and recite back to the class on Fridays. We've already come a long way toward living up to the constitution and leaving that unadulterated crap out of our schools. I will never live to see it but maybe my grandchildren will live to see Thomas Jefferson and others among our forebears wishes come to pass:

"The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the Supreme Being as his father, in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter."
~Thomas Jefferson~ letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823

When a past president of America felt comfortable saying this to a sitting president one can quickly reali e how close to theocrasy this nation found itself a short 60 years ago when the bible thumping right added "Under God" to our pledge and wrote into law the printing of "In God We Trust" on our currency while at the same time public schools were teaching young students the bible. At least I've had the privilege to witness that much change. Try teaching that Jesus bullshit in public schools today. The ACLU and hundreds of thousands of parents would be all over the schools as soon as they heard about it.

Check the Religion forum and tell me how many threads are started by Christians demeaning atheists/agnostics, then tell me who should shut up.

Edit:

I should add that we can't shut up about it.
We are commanded to spread the Gospel.

 

[Cammmpbell]

Now that we have all assisted in increasing the number of hits on the google search engine for "History of Christmas" and "Christian Pagan Holidays" can we bring out the eggnog hang a stocking burn a yule log in the fire place decorate a tree and watch a Charlie Brown Christmas.

Each and every one of which fits the new U S world of commercialism.

I repeat...most everyday corporations rely on Christmas for at least 20%-25% of their total sales in any given year.

The three wise men didn't give the first gift to an adult. They brought their frankincense and myrrh to the child. Commercialism is responsible for the adult gifts..........PERIOD!

Wise up people. Send your extra money to the starving children in 3rd world countries or the one my wife and I have chosen for the last several years:

https://secure.smiletrain.org

For someone that doesn't believe the Bible you acknowledge a truth in it. You can't have it both ways, it is either the truth or not.

What truth.........you think I'm motivated by a 2000 year old crock of horse shit.....forget it

I was speaking to those who claim to believe it.

 

[Baruch Menachem]

It is possible to be religious without being a jerk ass. Most folks can handle this. There are a few that can't, but they are the subject of comedy.


It is also possible to be irreligious and not be a jerk ass. Something the OP finds impossible.

I like to celebrate Isaac Newton's birthday on the 25th of December. I like being polite and civil to my neighbors who are having their own celebrations. Their celebration and my celebration don't conflict. I get a holiday. And all the decorations around the neighborhood are pretty. Some of them are goofy and fun.


I don't see what the OP gets out of being such a kill joy. His attitude also makes me doubt he is any 77. His maturity level is that of primary school.

 

[The Infidel]

I do not appreciate the contradictions of some of the customs we have come to believe in both the church and in family tradition. When I was younger, I was told to believe that Christmas was the birthday of Jesus Christ. But when reading more into this subject, I find that most theologians believe the birthday of Jesus was early fall. And I still don’t quite understand why Christians choose to build a tree and decorate it each year. On December 25th (which is actually the original birthday of Mithra, a pagan diety) the ancient greeks would chop down trees and decorate them in the name of their god, Adonia.

Regardless of the lies, half-truths, or justifications that Christians or any other group believe about Christmas. I think we all agree one thing; there is something special in our country during this time of year for children. If one thinks about it for a minute the travelers from afar brought gifts to the child...not every adult which happened to be standing around the stable.

The commercial aspects of Christmas have grown exponentially until now big corporations see 20%-25% of their years sales within a few weeks around Christmas. P.T. Barnum said, "There's A Sucker Born Every Minute."

You're absolutely right in that most of what Christmas is, and especially today, about is based on Paganism.

Firstly, a knowledgeable and/or educated Christian knows that Jesus was not born on the 25th of December nor anywhere near that time of year. In fact, no one knows exactly when He was born, however, it's an educated surmization (sp) that it was certainly not during what is now the Christmas season based on many factors that historians and theologians have discovered. We've been "debating" this in our denomination for as long as I've been born and before over the celebration of Christmas, as we've known this for about as long as we've existed.

It boils down to a couple key things. Aside from it being really a good time for children, which we would be making suffer were we to exclude them from the season celebration in the Western Culture, it's the one time of year that just about everyone in the world's minds are at least open to the thought and concept of Jesus Christ. Meaning that it's perhaps THE best time to minister to them.

Also, if we are going to fall on the sword of Paganism, then we should stop calling the names of the days of the week. Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday as they are all Pagan names, based on Pagan gods. All or nothing right? Or something like that.

This issue is something that resonates with me personally as I've been keenly aware of this, basically from the time I exited childhood. The commercialism of the season, the shopping, now every year there's violence associated with the shopping, the holiday season is beginning way earlier, to get the deals, etc. It's totally and completely bastardized...but hey, that's the American way. Commerce is everything..or at least that is what many like to think and/or preach.

The best way to look at it is to take what positives you can from the time. Mostly for the kids. Of course, over and above that it's a time that people are more receptive to hearing the Gospel...and that's always a good thing. Always.

[ Edited ]

I have to agree.... we have forgotten the meaning or "reason for the season" and made it all into some warped commercial venture.

In all seriousness, we need to get back to the basics, and love eachother as fellow humans.



Damn, did I get soft again?

 

[FA_Q2]

That's because they're instructed from birth, they're forced to memorize and pray multiple times..it's normal for them! Not at all like Christians that have a CHOICE, and a close communication with God. WE can talk to HIM anytime we want....not so with muslims.

Incorrect on several points.

Muslims do have a choice and can communicate with God on an intimate level anytime they want.

Muslims are forced and they do not pray to the one and only God. They pray to satan.

See camm's posts. You are his Christian equivalent.

 

[Cammmpbell]

It is possible to be religious without being a jerk ass. Most folks can handle this. There are a few that can't, but they are the subject of comedy.


It is also possible to be irreligious and not be a jerk ass. Something the OP finds impossible.

I like to celebrate Isaac Newton's birthday on the 25th of December. I like being polite and civil to my neighbors who are having their own celebrations. Their celebration and my celebration don't conflict. I get a holiday. And all the decorations around the neighborhood are pretty. Some of them are goofy and fun.


I don't see what the OP gets out of being such a kill joy. His attitude also makes me doubt he is any 77. His maturity level is that of primary school.

I can see why you can't see.

Like I said....as long as I see one goddam thing which is the product of worshipping an ancient god...no matter whose it is I'll be ranting and raving. Get Used To It!!

I don't care who your god is...keep that bullshit to yourselves.

 

[chesswarsnow]

Sorry bout that,


1. The reason some one goes on the internet and attacks Christians are simple, either you are a flaming crazy eyed muzzy, or you feel God has passed you by.
2. Meaning you feel let down.
3. Abandoned.
4. Left out to dry.
5. Am I right?
6. Some one of your stature in life didn't get there without some help from God.
7. Lets cut the crap Campbell.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

 

[Cammmpbell]

Sorry bout that,


1. The reason some one goes on the internet and attacks Christians are simple, either you are a flaming crazy eyed muzzy, or you feel God has passed you by.
2. Meaning you feel let down.
3. Abandoned.
4. Left out to dry.
5. Am I right?
6. Some one of your stature in life didn't get there without some help from God.
7. Lets cut the crap Campbell.


Regards,
SirJamesofTexas

God passed me by!!!!!

Which one

As we speak if the south sea islands are included there are more than 4,000 ancient gods being worshipped. Add to that the more than 44,000 denominations, conventions, sects, cults, sub cults etc. of the Christian faith and what we have here is a major clusterphuck including anything and everything mankind can dream up to get their hands in your pockets and some degree of control over your life. Screw all of them.

 

[Sunni Man]

When I was in the third and fourth grades at McKensie(sic) and Milan, TN the teachers began our days with the pledge of allegiance and the lord's prayer. They assigned a bible verse to each of us on Mondays to memori e and recite back to the class on Fridays. We've already come a long way toward living up to the constitution and leaving that unadulterated crap out of our schools. I will never live to see it but maybe my grandchildren will live to see Thomas Jefferson and others among our forebears wishes come to pass:

Sounds like you were a traumatized bitter kid even in elementary school.

And here it is 70+ years later and you haven't changed a bit.

 

[Cammmpbell]

When I was in the third and fourth grades at McKensie(sic) and Milan, TN the teachers began our days with the pledge of allegiance and the lord's prayer. They assigned a bible verse to each of us on Mondays to memori e and recite back to the class on Fridays. We've already come a long way toward living up to the constitution and leaving that unadulterated crap out of our schools. I will never live to see it but maybe my grandchildren will live to see Thomas Jefferson and others among our forebears wishes come to pass:

Sounds like you were a traumatized bitter kid even in elementary school.

And here it is 70+ years later and you haven't changed a bit.

I've told my story ten times but I am proud of my life so I'll tell it again:

Began as paper boy in 1944...I was nine years old. Pay $3.60 per week

Began to mow lawns in 1946. I was eleven years old. Averaged $20 per week during summers

Continued both papers and mowing and began to buy my own clothes when I was fourteen
went in debt for my first car before I was able to legally drive it

Began working at a full service garage when I was barely sixteen

Worked 40 hrs junior and senior year HS and 60 hours during summers...$0.60 per hour

Hired at a Uranium processing plant in 1952...rotating shift...Pay $1.71 per hour

Worked five years and was drafted into the army infantry Pay...$73 per month

Returned in 1959 and continued my job as process operator pay $3.10 per hour
The company gave me seniority credit for the time I was in the army, continued in national guards

I play keyboards and piano so I was drawing checks from three places when my kids were young. My regular job, the national guards and playing when I could with small bands and combos. Discharged from guards in 1964 as a tank commander on an M-48 Medium Patton Tank

Was laid off because of seniority in February 1961 but relocated to the data processing center where they were installing a new $2.5 million main frame computer. Continued to work rotating shift work. Took a $200 a month cut...about 30%.

Worked about 18 months, learned to program in SPS, C T and Fortran 1 and made shift supervisor. With overtime about $700 a month.

In 1968 was set up to computer operations supervisor over three shifts and 40 employees. Pay...approximately $800 a month but worked straight days and no overtime

Our center had $66 million of computing and telecommunications equipment installed on 18,000 sq. ft. of floating floor. Our power bill to TVA was over half a million dollars per year and the center required over 400 tons of refrigeration. We installed Oak Ridge's first super computer...the Cray XMP 2/4. We later upgraded to a 4.

25 years later I retired after 41 years with the same company. Good pension and at age 62 began to draw social security...about $48,000 per year total. My wife has a similar career path and between the two of us and her part time job we make about $75,000 per year.

We both have a high school education but I did complete an electronics school which lasted about two and a half years in the mid 1960's.

We have a 4br brick rancher with 220ft. lake frontage. I have a dock, well pump in the lake with six well spaced outlets for irrigation. I have a pontoon boat with a 115hp Evinrude engine and we hit the lake every once in a while for a little fishing etc.

Just for you I'll add that I have three children, eight grandchildren and one great granddaughter. She's in Germany with my granddaughter waiting for her Dad to be deployed to Afghanistan. He pulled two tours in Iraq beginning in 2006.

What's your story.....so far

Still in your teens