Merged -- Kavanaugh/Ford Opinion and Comment Threads for 30 Sept.

[Tilly]

This should be a two-way street. I don't expect any investigation will prove anything either way, but if it can be proved she was outright lying, she should go to prison.

It would make the next dingbat think and may have precluded this sham.

How does anyone prove a negative such as that?
You're just doing more of your fascist dreaming of putting all the opposition behind bars.

But but but.......Kav is required to prove a negative?
Oh the irony.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Come on Gramps, that too bloody easy! This is from the American Bar Association (ABA) Glossary of Legal Terms defining basic legal EVIDENCE;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Are you now trying too claim the ABA doesn't know what evidence is?

An accusation is not evidence tard. You need evidence to support the accusation

 

[eagle1462010]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

How does going to counseling prove the judge raped her?

How does going to counseling prove the judge raped her?

The OP was not about proving an attempted rape occurred you fucking knuckle dragging troll! Rather, it was an examination of Kavanaugh's character and fitness to sit on the High Court. The OP claimed Ford presented no evidence when she had. Stay on topic asswipe!

Ford has accused Kav of committing a crime............whether yesterday or 36 years ago...........it doesn't matter that she made these allegations for a 3 ring political circus.

In order for her statements to be seen as credible...........she needs to make the allegations CREDIBLE..............Under Maryland law if this was a attempted Rape then the Statue of Limitations do not apply. All she needs to do is file a complaint.........and they will investigate the complaint. via the law.

In that complaint.........it requests WHEN AND WHERE............as of yet..........we haven't seen that.................how is she even going to file a complaint without that information..............She is demanding an investigation................All she has to do is file the complaint with the information.............If she doesn't know when and where.............then she has NOTHING..........

That is the procedure for her claims..........that is the legal avenue for her claims...........what is the problem.............hmmmm.......

Is her forgetfulness real or staged...............It's hard for me to believe she can't remember the dang house that changed her life forever........

This is a political hit...............staged.........leaked and to deny a Supreme court nomination process and delayed to use as a tool for the upcoming elections.

 

[eagle1462010]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Come on Gramps, that too bloody easy! This is from the American Bar Association (ABA) Glossary of Legal Terms defining basic legal EVIDENCE;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Are you now trying too claim the ABA doesn't know what evidence is?

Without evidence to back it up.........it is a he said she said case..........no jury would convict on that.........

Where are the witnesses.............and when and where................

 

[skews13]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Come on Gramps, that too bloody easy! This is from the American Bar Association (ABA) Glossary of Legal Terms defining basic legal EVIDENCE;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Are you now trying too claim the ABA doesn't know what evidence is?

An accusation is not evidence tard. You need evidence to support the accusation

The FBI is working on that now. Of course if these truthful, innocent, transparent Republicans stop limiting their ability to gather that evidence.

But that aside, this isn't a criminal investigation.

Yet.

Kavanaugh exposed himself last week to be not an honest broker. or of the temperment to hold that position.

A position purposely chosen by Trump to further obstruct his criminal activity that this hack will surely accomodate.

 

[miketx]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

How does going to counseling prove the judge raped her?

How does going to counseling prove the judge raped her?

The OP was not about proving an attempted rape occurred you fucking knuckle dragging troll! Rather, it was an examination of Kavanaugh's character and fitness to sit on the High Court. The OP claimed Ford presented no evidence when she had. Stay on topic asswipe!

Ford has accused Kav of committing a crime............whether yesterday or 36 years ago...........it doesn't matter that she made these allegations for a 3 ring political circus.

In order for her statements to be seen as credible...........she needs to make the allegations CREDIBLE..............Under Maryland law if this was a attempted Rape then the Statue of Limitations do not apply. All she needs to do is file a complaint.........and they will investigate the complaint. via the law.

In that complaint.........it requests WHEN AND WHERE............as of yet..........we haven't seen that.................how is she even going to file a complaint without that information..............She is demanding an investigation................All she has to do is file the complaint with the information.............If she doesn't know when and where.............then she has NOTHING..........

That is the procedure for her claims..........that is the legal avenue for her claims...........what is the problem.............hmmmm.......

Is her forgetfulness real or staged...............It's hard for me to believe she can't remember the dang house that changed her life forever........

This is a political hit...............staged.........leaked and to deny a Supreme court nomination process and delayed to use as a tool for the upcoming elections.

And just look at the liars claiming the statute has expired.

 

[eagle1462010]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Come on Gramps, that too bloody easy! This is from the American Bar Association (ABA) Glossary of Legal Terms defining basic legal EVIDENCE;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Are you now trying too claim the ABA doesn't know what evidence is?

An accusation is not evidence tard. You need evidence to support the accusation

The FBI is working on that now. Of course if these truthful, innocent, transparent Republicans stop limiting their ability to gather that evidence.

But that aside, this isn't a criminal investigation.

Yet.

Kavanaugh exposed himself last week to be not an honest broker. or of the temperment to hold that position.

A position purposely chosen by Trump to further obstruct his criminal activity that this hack will surely accomodate.

Another false obstruction charge..........

How are we stopping the FBI from investigating her story...................

 

[Hellokitty]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Just read the Safeway where she claims to have walked in the 2nd door and saw Judges working, didn't have a 2nd door.

This is the problem when you make up story, you start to add little details that can be proven false.

 

[miketx]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Come on Gramps, that too bloody easy! This is from the American Bar Association (ABA) Glossary of Legal Terms defining basic legal EVIDENCE;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Are you now trying too claim the ABA doesn't know what evidence is?

An accusation is not evidence tard. You need evidence to support the accusation

The FBI is working on that now. Of course if these truthful, innocent, transparent Republicans stop limiting their ability to gather that evidence.

But that aside, this isn't a criminal investigation.

Yet.

Kavanaugh exposed himself last week to be not an honest broker. or of the temperment to hold that position.

A position purposely chosen by Trump to further obstruct his criminal activity that this hack will surely accomodate.

What is it now, the fifth or sixth time the FBI has investigated him. They didn't find anything but it may be cheaper for the taxpayers if they just make up some crap.

 

[eagle1462010]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

How does going to counseling prove the judge raped her?

How does going to counseling prove the judge raped her?

The OP was not about proving an attempted rape occurred you fucking knuckle dragging troll! Rather, it was an examination of Kavanaugh's character and fitness to sit on the High Court. The OP claimed Ford presented no evidence when she had. Stay on topic asswipe!

Ford has accused Kav of committing a crime............whether yesterday or 36 years ago...........it doesn't matter that she made these allegations for a 3 ring political circus.

In order for her statements to be seen as credible...........she needs to make the allegations CREDIBLE..............Under Maryland law if this was a attempted Rape then the Statue of Limitations do not apply. All she needs to do is file a complaint.........and they will investigate the complaint. via the law.

In that complaint.........it requests WHEN AND WHERE............as of yet..........we haven't seen that.................how is she even going to file a complaint without that information..............She is demanding an investigation................All she has to do is file the complaint with the information.............If she doesn't know when and where.............then she has NOTHING..........

That is the procedure for her claims..........that is the legal avenue for her claims...........what is the problem.............hmmmm.......

Is her forgetfulness real or staged...............It's hard for me to believe she can't remember the dang house that changed her life forever........

This is a political hit...............staged.........leaked and to deny a Supreme court nomination process and delayed to use as a tool for the upcoming elections.

And just look at the liars claiming the statute has expired.

I have made that statement as well..............attempted Raper versus a sexual assault matter are different..........one has a statue of 1 year.......the other has no statue of limitations.............That determination would be made by Maryland DOJ............is a complaint is filed.........

Was it supposedly a attempted Rape...........she claimed use of physical force and that she was in fear for her life............so I'd say she is accusing the man of Rape and physical harm................so I would think that would be an accusation of attempted Rape..........which doesn't have the limitations.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The vagina factor.

 

[Weatherman2020]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

She’s a leftist and female. Has to be truthful!

 

[donald]

QUESTION
I have a question that begs to be answered - ford says in her letter ‘Both loudly stumbled down the stairwell, at which point other persons at the house were talking with them. I exited the bathroom, ran outside of the house and went home.”
This would mean that after just being “sexually assaulted” she left her other female friend at the house without warning her about what had supposedly just happened to her. She would’ve just left her to fend for herself. Is this plausible? What would this say about ford & her care about another female - her intimate friend, Leland Ingham?
SECOND QUESTION
If ford was so scared that she left the house without warning leland about what allegedly just had happened to her- then when they (ford & leland) next met or talked on the phone - which could’ve even been the next day - why was leland not at least then told about this purported foiled savaging of her? For ford not to have talked to leland about such a fearful experience surpasses any level of credibility.
I find it impossible to believe that ford would’ve left leland to be the next (as she was the only other female there) to be brutalized.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Republicans stop limiting their ability to gather that evidence.

Cukoo for Cocoa puffs?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Come on Gramps, that too bloody easy! This is from the American Bar Association (ABA) Glossary of Legal Terms defining basic legal EVIDENCE;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Are you now trying too claim the ABA doesn't know what evidence is?

An accusation is not evidence tard. You need evidence to support the accusation

The FBI is working on that now. Of course if these truthful, innocent, transparent Republicans stop limiting their ability to gather that evidence.

But that aside, this isn't a criminal investigation.

Yet.

Kavanaugh exposed himself last week to be not an honest broker. or of the temperment to hold that position.

A position purposely chosen by Trump to further obstruct his criminal activity that this hack will surely accomodate.

What is it now, the fifth or sixth time the FBI has investigated him. They didn't find anything but it may be cheaper for the taxpayers if they just make up some crap.

7th!

Absurd

 

[eagle1462010]

I again repeat my questions and will continue to do so..............I suggest everyone do the same.

When and Where.........that's it.

 

[toobfreak]

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Come on Gramps, that too bloody easy! This is from the American Bar Association (ABA) Glossary of Legal Terms defining basic legal EVIDENCE;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Are you now trying too claim the ABA doesn't know what evidence is?

An accusation is not evidence tard. You need evidence to support the accusation

The FBI is working on that now. Of course if these truthful, innocent, transparent Republicans stop limiting their ability to gather that evidence.

But that aside, this isn't a criminal investigation.

Yet.

Kavanaugh exposed himself last week to be not an honest broker. or of the temperment to hold that position.

A position purposely chosen by Trump to further obstruct his criminal activity that this hack will surely accomodate.

What is it now, the fifth or sixth time the FBI has investigated him. They didn't find anything but it may be cheaper for the taxpayers if they just make up some crap.

7th!

Absurd

Worse than that, he has gone through numerous other background checks of every kind far beyond just that of the FBI. They've checked this guy out right down to his undershorts and NEVER ONCE the slightest hint of an irregularity. If this guy was any cleaner, he'd be sterile.

That is, until Ford's accusations,
held for months until the very last minute,
that none of her alibis remember,
that none of her friends remember,
of a party she had no way to get to,
of a guy she had no way of knowing,
at a school where she knew no one at,
on a weekend that Kavanaugh just happens to be able to concisely show he was away.

But which Chrissy remembers for sure almost 40 years later including his name despite never mentioning it to anyone that she can show.

 

[boedicca]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

She is credible in that something in her past has certainly damaged her emotional and mental health. I suspect this is a case of mistaken identity - and perhaps an invented "repressed memory" that substitutes for what actually happened to her.

But as there is no corroborative evidence, it's just her mental health issue - and should be dealt with in Therapy, not in the Political arena.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

These are not pleasant experiences and you do remember them though not everything aspect in clear detail after time has passed. It becomes more like the bits and pieces of lucid dreams that you can recall but not everything. So I can forgive her for not remembering such things as how she got home after 36+ years or exactly who was at the party.

I wouldn't have a problem with that if not for the fact she claimed she didn't know who brought her there, who hosted the party, where the party was at, who took her home, or how she called for a ride(most didn't have cell phones in the early 80's) but she does explicitly remember she only had one beer?

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

She offered ZERO evidence. Is appearing meek all it takes?

Did Dr. Ford offer ZERO evidence as you claim?

How about her 2012 counseling records? Was she clairvoyant to the point of scheming six years before the fact to set up a record for presentation last week at the hearings? Or how about her lie detector test presented as evidence at the hearing that both side got rather animated over in their discussions? That wasn't corroborative evidence?

And how about the simple fact of her testimony? If that isn't evidentiary in nature, then what the Hell is?

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Telling a story to someone prior is not evidence lol. It is just her telling the story. Doesn't make it true.

Try again

Come on Gramps, that too bloody easy! This is from the American Bar Association (ABA) Glossary of Legal Terms defining basic legal EVIDENCE;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Are you now trying too claim the ABA doesn't know what evidence is?

An accusation is not evidence tard. You need evidence to support the accusation

An accusation is not evidence tard. You need evidence to support the accusation

Once again from the American bar association their definition of EVIDENCE for those in need of a second dose because the first didn't cure their ignorance of legal fact;

"Evidence - Information presented in testimony or in documents that is used by the fact finder (judge or jury) to decide the case for one side or the other."
~~ Glossary ~~ [Emphasis Added]

Try to follow the course of events and what Dr. Ford did during the hearing while considering also the ABA LEGAL FUCKING DEFINITION of EVIDENCE. Do you see where the definition starts off stating that evidence is "Information presented in testimony...."?

Well, Dr. Ford gave testimony to the Sernate Judicary Committee, thereby giving EVIDENCE to be considered by the fact finders, I.e. the committee members. 'Kaaayyyy? Got that?

Be dishonestly stubborn if you wish, but that won't change the fact that Dr. Ford gave evidence at the hearing, and your stamping of feet recalcitrance won't change the reality the rest of humanity is living in!