Merchan stands firm on hush money case.

[WorldWatcher]

1. The perfectly legal NDA itself should not have been considered a "campaign contribution". That NDA could have been considered protection for his marriage and/or reputation. Saying voters would consider Trump having sex with a porn star as surprising is hilarious. It was NOT a campaign contribution, so said the FEC who investigated the matter.

If Trump had paid for the NDA you might have an argumnet. Although be FEC law he would have still had to report it.

But you are still under the incorrect impression that Trump paid for the NDA. He didn't Cohen paid for the NDA by taking the loan out on his house and paid for the NDA with his own funds.

2. Cohen's crime was not Trump's crime. Stormy's NDA had nothing to do with covering up Cohen's illegal campaign contribution. How can paying Stormy be called covering up paying Stormy?

Correct Cohen's crime (campaign fraud) was Cohen's crime. Trump's crime (feloniouis falsificatio of business records) was Trump's crime.

3. Trump falsified business records? As Turley explains it"

I don't give a flying rat fart what booklicker Turley claims. My opinion derives from the law, evidence, and the results of a jury conviction.

WW

 

[WorldWatcher]

LOL GOod luck with that on appeal

Whether Cohen was convicted in Federal court isn't an area of "appeal" in state court.

WW

 

[Curried Goats]

1. The U.S. Constitution and his office as President. Besides, why doesn't Merchan sentence Trump so the appeal process can start, he knows the bullshit convictions will be overturned?

Don't hide behind the Constitution which is open to interpretation. If you think the President should have special snowflake powers above everyone else just say so and be proud of it.

2. Those aren't my personal critiques of the judge, those were the legalities he violated.

Has he been convicted of anything or any you confusing accusation with legal judgements?

 

[Rawley]

Whether Cohen was convicted in Federal court isn't an area of "appeal" in state court.

WW

Duh

 

[kyzr]

If Trump had paid for the NDA you might have an argument. Although be FEC law he would have still had to report it.
But you are still under the incorrect impression that Trump paid for the NDA. He didn't Cohen paid for the NDA by taking the loan out on his house and paid for the NDA with his own funds.

Correct Cohen's crime (campaign fraud) was Cohen's crime. Trump's crime (felonious falsification of business records) was Trump's crime.

I don't give a flying rat fart what booklicker Turley claims. My opinion derives from the law, evidence, and the results of a jury conviction. WW

1. How could Trump cover up a crime unless he paid for the (NDA) to cover it up? You still can't get around the circular argument that the "crime" was Cohen paying Stormy which was the coverup for the crime of Cohen paying Stormy.

2. How could covering up Cohen's crime influence the election? Cohen was not running for anything.
The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election. However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of."

3. These felonies don't matter until Merchan sentences Trump and the appeals start. So I'm taking a break from Merchan until this shit gets back on a front burner. Thanks for the discussion!

 

[kyzr]

Don't hide behind the Constitution which is open to interpretation. If you think the President should have special snowflake powers above everyone else just say so and be proud of it.

Has he been convicted of anything or any you confusing accusation with legal judgements?

1. The USSC interprets the Constitution. The President has powers as defined in the Constitution. We are proud of the Constitution.

2. Merchan's decisions are subject to review by the appellate courts. If they get overturned, or not, is how the legal system works.

 

[WorldWatcher]

1. How could Trump cover up a crime unless he paid for the (NDA) to cover it up? You still can't get around the circular argument that the "crime" was Cohen paying Stormy which was the coverup for the crime of Cohen paying Stormy.

Trump didn't pay for the NDA, Cohen did.

2. How could covering up Cohen's crime influence the election? Cohen was not running for anything.

Because it attempted to keep the Stormy Daniels (and McDougal, and the Doorman in the Cohen/Pecker/Trump conspiracy) stories from breaking before the election.

The indictment claimed a violation under New York’s election law 17-152 that the falsification of business records were committed to further another crime as an unlawful means to influence the election.

They were, the "Other crime" was cohen's illegal campaign fraud.

However, in a maddeningly circular theory, that other crime could be the falsification of business records. It could also be violations of federal election and taxation laws, which Trump was never charged with, let alone convicted of."

The falsification of business records are not violation of federal election and taxation laws, this was a State Court conviction and State Courts can convict federal laws. This was a state court conviction of state level criminal laws.

3. These felonies don't matter until Merchan sentences Trump and the appeals start. So I'm taking a break from Merchan until this shit gets back on a front burner.

We are all waiting to see what Merchan decides to do.

Thanks for the discussion!

Your welcome. Hope I've helped you understand what really is going on.

WW

 

[Curried Goats]

1. The USSC interprets the Constitution. The President has powers as defined in the Constitution. We are proud of the Constitution.

You're proud the Republicans on the Supreme Court have put the President on a legal pedestal that sits above every other equal citizen? OK. If you say so.

2. Merchan's decisions are subject to review by the appellate courts. If they get overturned, or not, is how the legal system works.

Lots of Ifs in your arguments and not a whole lot of accepting what currently is.

 

[kyzr]

You're proud the Republicans on the Supreme Court have put the President on a legal pedestal that sits above every other equal citizen? OK. If you say so.

Lots of Ifs in your arguments and not a whole lot of accepting what currently is.

1. The President is the State, he can't be bothered by partisan noise. After his term the Law can catch up with him, or not, the same as for Joe Biden or any democrat president.

2. What currently is? Is a guilty verdict subject to appeal, if/when that appeal happens. No matter, Trump is President for the next 4-years, so those 34 felonies can collect dust until the appeals start, then we'll see how it ends up.

 

[WEATHER53]

If Trump had paid for the NDA you might have an argumnet. Although be FEC law he would have still had to report it.

But you are still under the incorrect impression that Trump paid for the NDA. He didn't Cohen paid for the NDA by taking the loan out on his house and paid for the NDA with his own funds.



Correct Cohen's crime (campaign fraud) was Cohen's crime. Trump's crime (feloniouis falsificatio of business records) was Trump's crime.



I don't give a flying rat fart what booklicker Turley claims. My opinion derives from the law, evidence, and the results of a jury conviction.

WW

Miniscule micro managing of a theoretical “how” he paid when in lawful reality it is legal so they made up that the “how” was illegal because of what they feel Trump was thinking
It’s absurd

 

[WEATHER53]

You're proud the Republicans on the Supreme Court have put the President on a legal pedestal that sits above every other equal citizen? OK. If you say so.

Lots of Ifs in your arguments and not a whole lot of accepting what currently is.

You all don’t compete so you never know that the game is not over at the half way point

 

[Clipper]

Everything in your post is not real, including your pathetic cartoon avatar.
I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Now for sure I'm leaving it up just to aggravate MAGA.

Kleenex?

 

[SeaMajor7]

Now for sure I'm leaving it up just to aggravate MAGA.

Kleenex?

Good for you.

Straight jacket?

 

[Clipper]

Good for you.

Straight jacket?

Whoever let you out of The Home without you wearing one should lose their medical license.

 

[SeaMajor7]

Whoever let you out of The Home without you wearing one should lose their medical license.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Miniscule micro managing of a theoretical “how” he paid when in lawful reality it is legal so they made up that the “how” was illegal because of what they feel Trump was thinking
It’s absurd

They didn't make up the "how".

Felonioius falsification of business records has been on the New York Books for decades.

It wasn't about what Trump was "thinking" it was about what he did.

WW

 

[Man With A Plan]

Voters said they DON’T CARE that Trump is a felon

The voters basically said that they saw how the Left used lawfare against Trump and they could care less about some bullshit "conviction" that's going to be overturned on appeal!

You on the left thought weaponizing the justice system against Trump would keep him out of the White House. It didn't make him weaker like you thought it would...it made him stronger!

 

[Lesh]

The voters basically said that they saw how the Left used lawfare against Trump and they could care less about some bullshit "conviction" that's going to be overturned on appeal!

You on the left thought weaponizing the justice system against Trump would keep him out of the White House. It didn't make him weaker like you thought it would...it made him stronger!

Bullshit. Voters voted for Trump IN SPITE. Of his felonies

 

[EMH]

Bullshit. Voters voted for Trump IN SPITE. Of his felonies

People voted for Trump in part because they understood the charges against Trump are all Banana Republic BULLSHIT from the Alliance for Treason against America, the union of the Zionist 911 Traitors and the Left Wing Hate Hoaxing Homos...

 

[Man With A Plan]

Bullshit. Voters voted for Trump IN SPITE. Of his felonies

Because he was by FAR the better candidate? Because you on the left ran someone who never won a single delegate when she was running for President in 2020? That had to drop out because she got SAVAGED by Tulsi Gabbard?