Men in women's bathrooms

[baileyn45]

maybe they have open showers in your prison block, but not in schools.

Yes they do. We had them in our school in the girls' locker room.

As they did in every school I was in. And every public or private gym, clubhouse and pool. The shower issue is posing real problems for men pretending to be women wanting behind doors marked "women" with 17 million rape survivors behind them. It's going to be the legal achilles' heel.

Actually they can threaten to withold Title 9 funds. Whether they will or not who knows.

They won't, don't worry. It's an election year. And did you hear a judge just ordered Obama's/Lynch's DOJ to go to basic ethics classes again because they purposefully mislead his court and he found proof that they did?

They are misleading about Title IX too. And the 1964 Civil Rights Act "covering men pretending to be women" too; and using that deception to file a lawsuit against North Carolina. Maybe another judge will strip Ms. Lynch of her bar standing? Then it's off to the unemployment office for her..

On the title 9 issue I recently heard some one interviewed saying that these threats have come up before but never been followed through upon. It makes me wonder if it's just lip service to give cover for school administrators.

 

[Slade3200]

You have every right to oppose it and voice your concerns. You aren't doing yourself favors by calling it "insanity" though... Many feel that it is an equal rights issue, and many sympathize with what these people suffer with. They also feel that this solution is a way to help their mental health and give them some happiness, which in turn should make our society a better place. It's the name calling, belittling, and fear mongering that creates conflict... Voice your fears, concerns, and solutions all you want, thats encouraged... Leave the other BS out of it.

It's the equal rights end of it that baffles me. As i stated before, the boy THINKS he's a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter IS a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter is not equal.

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

 

[ChrisL]

It's the equal rights end of it that baffles me. As i stated before, the boy THINKS he's a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter IS a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter is not equal.

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

Like I said, you don't know the CAUSE of this child's problems. Have you ignored all my other posts? What do you think of them, and why not address them?

 

[Slade3200]

If my child started telling me he thought he was a female, my first thought would be that he had been abused at some time during his life, and THAT is what would concern me the most.

And what would you do after years of therapy and medications prove unsuccessful. He isn't making friends at school, is constantly acting out, showing signs of obvious depression and anxiety??? What do you do when you walk into the bathroom and you find him with scissors in his hands??

I guess you can just call him a diseased freak and lock him up... That will do him a lot of good.

 

[ChrisL]

It's the equal rights end of it that baffles me. As i stated before, the boy THINKS he's a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter IS a girl and doesn't want to shower with boys. My daughter is not equal.

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

 

[Slade3200]

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

Like I said, you don't know the CAUSE of this child's problems. Have you ignored all my other posts? What do you think of them, and why not address them?

I've been constantly responding to your posts... Pretty much non stop... If I missed one it was not intentional.

 

[ChrisL]

If my child started telling me he thought he was a female, my first thought would be that he had been abused at some time during his life, and THAT is what would concern me the most.

And what would you do after years of therapy and medications prove unsuccessful. He isn't making friends at school, is constantly acting out, showing signs of obvious depression and anxiety??? What do you do when you walk into the bathroom and you find him with scissors in his hands??

I guess you can just call him a diseased freak and lock him up... That will do him a lot of good.

Not mutilate his body, that's for sure.

 

[ChrisL]

Making him into a . . . "something undefined" permanently is NOT the right solution, of this I am sure.

 

[Slade3200]

Well you don't consider the trans child a girl and the boys along with the child don't consider her a boy... So where does that leave the child?

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

 

[Slade3200]

If my child started telling me he thought he was a female, my first thought would be that he had been abused at some time during his life, and THAT is what would concern me the most.

And what would you do after years of therapy and medications prove unsuccessful. He isn't making friends at school, is constantly acting out, showing signs of obvious depression and anxiety??? What do you do when you walk into the bathroom and you find him with scissors in his hands??

I guess you can just call him a diseased freak and lock him up... That will do him a lot of good.

Not mutilate his body, that's for sure.

So I ask what you would do and you respond with what you wouldn't do??

 

[Slade3200]

Making him into a . . . "something undefined" permanently is NOT the right solution, of this I am sure.

Would you let him dress and act like a girl if it seemed to help with his issues?

 

[ChrisL]

If my child started telling me he thought he was a female, my first thought would be that he had been abused at some time during his life, and THAT is what would concern me the most.

And what would you do after years of therapy and medications prove unsuccessful. He isn't making friends at school, is constantly acting out, showing signs of obvious depression and anxiety??? What do you do when you walk into the bathroom and you find him with scissors in his hands??

I guess you can just call him a diseased freak and lock him up... That will do him a lot of good.

Not mutilate his body, that's for sure.

So I ask what you would do and you respond with what you wouldn't do??

I'm not sure what I would do, but I know I wouldn't have my son surgically altered permanently, nor would I put him on meds that could potentially make him ill.

 

[ChrisL]

That child should be having intensive psychiatric therapy. Did you know that in some places, psychiatrists are NOT allowed to treat these types of patients? They have to refer them out to a "gender specialist" who ALWAYS advises hormonal therapy and surgery?

This was just one of the many things that Dr. McHugh of John Hopkins was extremely concerned about when it comes to "treating" these people.

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

 

[baileyn45]

Have you ever heard of Phys Ed. My daughter is REQUIRED to take it. Don't take it, don't graduate. They are basically threatening my daughter with not receiving a diploma unless she showers with boys. In my home town the school board is elected and after the last public meeting they are running scared. We've already put together an alternate ticket and they will be looking for a job come September.

Is there a transgender child in your kids school?

In my 14 yr old daughters PE class.

Interesting... Have you met the child or the parents?

No I have seen the boy but haven't met any of them. Don't get me wrong I don't mean to vilify. I just can't understand how the same consideration given the young man, to not have to shower with boys, is not given to my daughter and the other girls. I probably could have gone along with public bathrooms, although if I were to watch a grown man follow a young girl into the bathroom I know I will have to follow. I can not stand by and hope for the best even if it's not my child. There isn't much I hold sacred in this world, children are at the top of the list.

Don't you think if you saw that same "man" in a dress and high heels follow your little boy into the restroom, you'd want to follow as well?? Unfortunately in our society, without even the trans argument, it isn't smart to allow young children to go to the bathroom alone or unsupervised.

Regarding the kid in your school... Why don't you try and meet with the parents and meet the child and learn about what the situation is before being so animately opposed to it?

Keep in mind trans has nothing to do with it. Any man can walk into a womens room, they are not handing out trans cards that say "I'm a man and identify as a woman". I agree with unsupervised children being a bad thing, at the same time I cannot follow my 14 year old everywhere. The idea that any man can walk into a womans room with the full knowledge that anyone that challenges him runs the risk of a hate crime is bothersome to say the least.

As far as talking to the parents or boy involved I don't see the point. There is nothing that is going to sway my view. The fact that one boy feels uncomfortable in the boys room supercedes the 30 girls in my daughters PE class feeling uncomfortable changing or showering with a boy is just wrong. Again I don't wish to demonize the boy, but we're talking to about my daughter, nothing supercedes that. And I can't understand how any one can see this as equality. His concerns are met, 30 girls are ignored..

 

[ChrisL]

They don't NEED a psychiatrist. All they need is a "gender specialist" to say, oh, you've been dressing as a girl for 3 years? Okay! You have gender identity disorder. Let's start you on those hormones!

I am absolutely disgusted with our medical/psychiatric community for doing this to people who are obviously delusional. It is akin to abuse and ruining people's lives, especially when the facts are OUT that most children do in fact outgrow these "syndromes."

 

[Slade3200]

If my child started telling me he thought he was a female, my first thought would be that he had been abused at some time during his life, and THAT is what would concern me the most.

And what would you do after years of therapy and medications prove unsuccessful. He isn't making friends at school, is constantly acting out, showing signs of obvious depression and anxiety??? What do you do when you walk into the bathroom and you find him with scissors in his hands??

I guess you can just call him a diseased freak and lock him up... That will do him a lot of good.

Not mutilate his body, that's for sure.

So I ask what you would do and you respond with what you wouldn't do??

I'm not sure what I would do, but I know I wouldn't have my son surgically altered permanently, nor would I put him on meds that could potentially make him ill.

Neither would I

 

[Slade3200]

Yeah, I heard about that... If a psychiatrist is qualified to deal with these kind of issues then I think they should absolutely be aloud to treat the kids. The child in the video did undergo therapy and treatment for years. I think they had him on about a dozen different medicines to try and treat his outbursts and mental distress... Once they allowed him to live the way he wanted to live, as a girl, most of these issues were resolved and the medication was not longer needed... Thats gotta tell you something. We are all different and there isn't a single solution that is going to work for everybody. It depends on the person.

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

I've never heard of a case where somebody walks into a doctors office and leaves with hormones and an surgical appointment. All the stories that i've heard about involve a long process

 

[ChrisL]

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

The psychiatrists refer them out to "gender specialists." Did you not know that? This is the way things work now.

 

[ChrisL]

How old is the child again? How could that child have possibly had "years" worth of therapy? And, as I noted, many, many children block out their abuse as a defense mechanism, and these memories may take many, many, many years to emerge.

I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

I've never heard of a case where somebody walks into a doctors office and leaves with hormones and an surgical appointment. All the stories that i've heard about involve a long process

What keeps a "gender specialist's" job? Hmm? Why, people who are "transgender" of course!

 

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I thought you watched it... It explains all that after the first minute of the video!
By age 3 he had developed a series of problems. He was put on prozac for depression and treated for tantrums, sleeping, anxiety, ADHD, and turrets syndrome. 14 medications 17 doses a day... At age 6 a doctor during a routine physical suggested that he had Gender Identity Disorder... Hey started letting him dress like a girl and it alleviated many of the issues... (The kid actually acted happy, heaven forbid). Hormone therapy isn't something that gets started until puberty, when children often self mutilate or develop distress/depression because their body is changing in a why that they can not handle.

So lets break it down. Therapy and Medication treatment at age 3, at age 6 she is allowed to dress as a girl, in teenage years after self mutilation attempts is when hormone suppressors would start, Surgery isn't an option until late teens. There is the "Years and years" of treatment that you deny is happening.

I actually don't like medication or hormone treatments and think they should be avoided if possible. I understand that in extreme cases they are necessary but I hope we get better at solving these issues i a more natural way.

As I told you and as Dr. McHugh corroborates, a lot of these patients are not "allowed" to be treated by a psychiatrist. They are immediately referred to what is known as a "gender specialist."

We've already discussed the credibility of Dr. McHugh's... If he is correct then there would be a ton of other doctors back up his claims... are there? I haven't looked into it.

Do you realize the contradictions made here? Do you see that? If it was NOT a mental disorder, then why would they need "therapists?" In this link, it says that it is no longer considered a "mental disorder" unless it causes you "dysphoria." What does that mean? That means they do not HAVE to see a psychiatrist at all. THINK!

Gender Dysphoria. Transsexual and gender identity disorder | Patient

I read the link and it seems to back up what I've been saying... It seems to contradict what you've been saying. Everybody needs to see a doctor to get hormones or to have surgery. I'd hope it was part of the medical evaluation processes to recommend therapy before medication or surgery. If not, then I think that is irresponsible on the doctors part.

The psychiatrists refer them out to "gender specialists." Did you not know that? This is the way things work now.

So you objecting to having professionals specialize in this field?? And why?