Memphis City Council unanimously votes to dig up Confederate General, wife

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This crap is getting out of hand. There is a civil war coming I'm afraid

-Geaux

No there isn't. None of you will do anything.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Do you really think that the State is going to go to war for the Founder of the Klan?

What I actually think (since you asked) is that the young idiot who killed those people did so because he thought blacks had started a race war and he was doing his part for his race. He was probably insane but I can understand why he may have jumped to that conclusion. There have been quite a few white people killed and wounded lately apparently for no particular reason other than they were white. The "knock out game" continues. The "New Black Panthers" have called for a race war as have other Black alleged leaders.
Due to the above I think this is an incredibly bad time for black bigots to be attacking Southern heritage.

 

[9thIDdoc]

No there isn't. None of you will do anything

If nobody was going to do anything I think those people would still be alive.

 

[JoeB131]

If my state wasn't prepared to go to war when attacked we wouldn't be having this conversation would we? Besides what makes you think anyone would go to war to take it down? And, yes, there are many people pleased that there is (more than one) statue of him.

Okay, guy. The state in Question in Tennessee. Tennessee voted against joining the confederacy and the politicians overruled them. They then got their asses kicked so badly the Union was in control of the state for most of the war.

They were pretty the France of the Confederacy.

But please, please please make General Klansman your symbol of "heritage". It'll make the cleansing so much easier.

 

[JoeB131]

NOpe. As you stated the stated reasons for these attacks on Southen Heritage are applicable to the wider American heritage too.

And they already take such pot shots, and have been for decades.

They will not reduce such attacks as we move to a minority majority America.

Or maybe some off you dumb-ass crackers might realize that most of the white working class is in the same boat as minorities.

Forrest was a rich guy who went to war because he had an economic interest in the horrors of slavery.

Most of the men he led didn't. They died for the interest of a rich person.

Maybe, just maybe you dumb crackers might stop letting yourself get played for chumps.

 

[JoeB131]

What I actually think (since you asked) is that the young idiot who killed those people did so because he thought blacks had started a race war and he was doing his part for his race. He was probably insane but I can understand why he may have jumped to that conclusion. There have been quite a few white people killed and wounded lately apparently for no particular reason other than they were white. The "knock out game" continues. The "New Black Panthers" have called for a race war as have other Black alleged leaders.
Due to the above I think this is an incredibly bad time for black bigots to be attacking Southern heritage.

Yup, because you heard it on "Fox News", so it MUST be true.

Except the reports of a "Knockout game"? Absolute bullshit.

Reports Alleged trend of knockout game a myth

But police officials in several cities where the attacks have been reported say the knockout game is an urban myth, and that attacks that have received recent attention in the media have been random assaults, the New York Times is reporting.

"We're trying to determine whether or not this is a real phenomenon," the news organization quotes New York police commissioner Raymond Kelly as saying. "I mean, yes, something like this can happen. But we would like to have people come forward and give us any information they have."

But, hey, let's look at that race war by the "New Black Panthers" - a group that has all of what, ten members? A group that most mainstream groups like the NAACP and Urban League have denounced?

Here's the reality. When not-crazy people are asked to defend it, no one wants to be seen championing the Founder of the Klan. Forrest is going to finally get his commupeance.

 

[jasonnfree]

The difference between us is that I do not have a negative personal opinion of those people just because they had different death rituals than I do.

Right, because you are all into the Mumbo Jumbo.

I do care that about moving the body.

I do care that this witch hunt is still ongoing, and is still attacking the culture of the South/America.

You mean by pointing out that racism and treason were part of the "culture".

Again- we are talking about a man who committed what would be considered a war crime today and founded a hate group.

He doesn't deserve a statue.

That was a hundred and fifty years ago. People change, attitudes change. I think democrats are pushing the flag and statue thing because they have very little else to run on. Especially since hope and change obama sold out his base by joining with republicans to push the latest nightmare of a trade bill through. This will guarantee fewer jobs than ever for blacks as well as whites. Nothing left to run on, so the corporate dems make war against a flag that represents the good as well as the bad from the old south.

 

[JoeB131]

That was a hundred and fifty years ago. People change, attitudes change. I think democrats are pushing the flag and statue thing because they have very little else to run on. Especially since hope and change obama sold out his base by joining with republicans to push the latest nightmare of a trade bill through. This will guarantee fewer jobs than ever for blacks as well as whites. Nothing left to run on, so the corporate dems make war against a flag that represents the good as well as the bad from the old south.

Neither party is arguing against Free Trade. So that's really not going to be an issue unless Trump or Sanders gets traction.

The Democrats are pushing this flag thing because it puts a big wedge between the rich Business Republicans who want to be invited to nice parties in New York and Los Angeles and the dumb-ass bubba-rednecks who really think their ancestors did something worthwhile.

So it's a great political issue to push. it puts guys like Jeb Bush on the spot.

 

[defcon4]

Forrest is going to finally get his commupeance.

Well, that proves beyond any doubt that you are crazy, I mean literally as of insane. You want to punish a dead person. You are just as barbaric as the savages in Mogadishu dragging dead American solders across the streets naked to humiliate them. I guess it is the wrong analogy in your case since you are anti American and I am sure you rejoiced seeing those horrific footages…

It'll make the cleansing so much easier.

….at least your are not making a secret out of your intent of "ethnic" cleansing. Learn from history… your demise will be your Übermensch
ideology.

 

[9thIDdoc]

Nobody would honor NBF. Right?


CBS NEWSJuly 12, 2015, 5:47 PM
Amid rebel flag controversy, Tenn. to honor KKK leader

In this Feb. 6, 2013, file photo, a statue of Nathan Bedford Forrest sits on a concrete pedestal at a park named after the confederate cavalryman in Memphis, Tenn.

• Last month, Gov. Bill Haslam signed a proclamation to honor Forrest on Monday, July 13. The governor's office told CBS News affiliate WREG that the proclamation was signed as per statute.
  
  The state appears divided over the issue, as the city of Memphis voted recently to exhume the remains of Forrest and his wife in order to remove them from a city park.
  
  Forrest was a plantation owner and slave trader, and a lieutenant general in the Confederate army during the Civil War. Some accounts accuse him of ordering the 1864 massacre of black Union troops at Fort Pillow, Tenn. The newly formed Klan elected Forrest as its honorary Grand Wizard in 1867, though he denied involvement.
  
  Forrest has had a day of observance in Tennessee for decades, but for that to change new legislation would be needed. State Sen. Lee Harris, who was instrumental in getting Confederate names removed from several Memphis parks, wants Haslam to make that happen.
  
  
  "The Tennessee constitution gives the governed executive authority which means he has discretion about which he signs or doesn't sign," said Harris. "If he really thinks it takes legislative action, he knows the process. He can file legislation tomorrow."
  
  The Governors office has not responded to WREG's questions on whether Haslam had any plans to try and overturn the statute.
  
  Since the massacre of nine worshipers at a Charleston, S.C., church, by a man who was seen espousing the Confederate flag, many local and state governments have made efforts to remove Confederate symbolism from public areas. The most notable was the removal of the flag from the South Carolina capitol last week, where it had been flying for 54 years, initially put up as a symbol of the state's objection to the Civil Rights Movement.
  
  Last week, the Memphis city council voted unanimously to move the remains of Forrest and his wife from their graves in a Memphis park. However, it may be months before that process meets final approval, which it needs from several entities.
  
  © 2015 CBS Interactive Inc. All Rights Reserved.

 

[JoeB131]

Well, that proves beyond any doubt that you are crazy, I mean literally as of insane. You want to punish a dead person. You are just as barbaric as the savages in Mogadishu dragging dead American solders across the streets naked to humiliate them. I guess it is the wrong analogy in your case since you are anti American and I am sure you rejoiced seeing those horrific footages…

Yawn, guy, I just don't see Forrest as an "american". He fought against his country. Then when his country was kind enough to NOT hang him as a traitor, he started a hate group. removing him from positions of honor is the sanest thing we can do. Crazy was building statues to this guy.

….at least your are not making a secret out of your intent of "ethnic" cleansing. Learn from history… your demise will be your Übermensch
ideology.

It's not hard to feel superior to the Slack-jawed rednecks.

 

[defcon4]

It's not hard to feel superior to

The Waffen SS thought so too, yet the end result proved it otherwise. I am just looking out for you.. Don't fuck with Americans with your superiority as a delusional subhuman believing in his own superiority…..it could be hazardous to your health… WW II proved that

 

[defcon4]

Well, that proves beyond any doubt that you are crazy, I mean literally as of insane. You want to punish a dead person. You are just as barbaric as the savages in Mogadishu dragging dead American solders across the streets naked to humiliate them. I guess it is the wrong analogy in your case since you are anti American and I am sure you rejoiced seeing those horrific footages…

Yawn, guy, I just don't see Forrest as an "american". He fought against his country. Then when his country was kind enough to NOT hang him as a traitor, he started a hate group. removing him from positions of honor is the sanest thing we can do. Crazy was building statues to this guy.

….at least your are not making a secret out of your intent of "ethnic" cleansing. Learn from history… your demise will be your Übermensch
ideology.

It's not hard to feel superior to the Slack-jawed rednecks.

I see you have another account too on USMB… interesting.

 

[Correll]

NOpe. As you stated the stated reasons for these attacks on Southen Heritage are applicable to the wider American heritage too.

And they already take such pot shots, and have been for decades.

They will not reduce such attacks as we move to a minority majority America.

Or maybe some off you dumb-ass crackers might realize that most of the white working class is in the same boat as minorities.

Forrest was a rich guy who went to war because he had an economic interest in the horrors of slavery.

Most of the men he led didn't. They died for the interest of a rich person.

Maybe, just maybe you dumb crackers might stop letting yourself get played for chumps.

And again you reject as invalid any viewpoint or motivation that you do not share.

People can disagree with your without being "dumb ass crackers".

It is one thing to disagree with the motivations of others. It is another to pretend they don't exist.

The vast majority of those who fought in the Civil War, both sides was nationalism.

Mmm, look what I found.

"Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.


The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone. In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.

I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.

— N.B. Forrest, Lieut.-General
Headquarters, Forrest's Cavalry Corps
Gainesville, Alabama
May 9, 1865"


That does not sound like a man motivated purely by money to me. That does not sound like a man who viewed his troops as poor dupes to be used to serve his financial interests.

 

[defcon4]

NOpe. As you stated the stated reasons for these attacks on Southen Heritage are applicable to the wider American heritage too.

And they already take such pot shots, and have been for decades.

They will not reduce such attacks as we move to a minority majority America.

Or maybe some off you dumb-ass crackers might realize that most of the white working class is in the same boat as minorities.

Forrest was a rich guy who went to war because he had an economic interest in the horrors of slavery.

Most of the men he led didn't. They died for the interest of a rich person.

Maybe, just maybe you dumb crackers might stop letting yourself get played for chumps.

And again you reject as invalid any viewpoint or motivation that you do not share.

People can disagree with your without being "dumb ass crackers".

It is one thing to disagree with the motivations of others. It is another to pretend they don't exist.

The vast majority of those who fought in the Civil War, both sides was nationalism.

Mmm, look what I found.

"Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.


The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone. In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.

I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.

— N.B. Forrest, Lieut.-General
Headquarters, Forrest's Cavalry Corps
Gainesville, Alabama
May 9, 1865"


That does not sound like a man motivated purely by money to me. That does not sound like a man who viewed his troops as poor dupes to be used to serve his financial interests.

It sounds more like a man of character…

 

[Jackson]

NOpe. As you stated the stated reasons for these attacks on Southen Heritage are applicable to the wider American heritage too.

And they already take such pot shots, and have been for decades.

They will not reduce such attacks as we move to a minority majority America.

Or maybe some off you dumb-ass crackers might realize that most of the white working class is in the same boat as minorities.

Forrest was a rich guy who went to war because he had an economic interest in the horrors of slavery.

Most of the men he led didn't. They died for the interest of a rich person.

Maybe, just maybe you dumb crackers might stop letting yourself get played for chumps.

And again you reject as invalid any viewpoint or motivation that you do not share.

People can disagree with your without being "dumb ass crackers".

It is one thing to disagree with the motivations of others. It is another to pretend they don't exist.

The vast majority of those who fought in the Civil War, both sides was nationalism.

Mmm, look what I found.

"Civil war, such as you have just passed through naturally engenders feelings of animosity, hatred, and revenge. It is our duty to divest ourselves of all such feelings; and as far as it is in our power to do so, to cultivate friendly feelings towards those with whom we have so long contended, and heretofore so widely, but honestly, differed. Neighborhood feuds, personal animosities, and private differences should be blotted out; and, when you return home, a manly, straightforward course of conduct will secure the respect of your enemies. Whatever your responsibilities may be to Government, to society, or to individuals meet them like men.


The attempt made to establish a separate and independent Confederation has failed; but the consciousness of having done your duty faithfully, and to the end, will, in some measure, repay for the hardships you have undergone. In bidding you farewell, rest assured that you carry with you my best wishes for your future welfare and happiness. Without, in any way, referring to the merits of the Cause in which we have been engaged, your courage and determination, as exhibited on many hard-fought fields, has elicited the respect and admiration of friend and foe. And I now cheerfully and gratefully acknowledge my indebtedness to the officers and men of my command whose zeal, fidelity and unflinching bravery have been the great source of my past success in arms.

I have never, on the field of battle, sent you where I was unwilling to go myself; nor would I now advise you to a course which I felt myself unwilling to pursue. You have been good soldiers, you can be good citizens. Obey the laws, preserve your honor, and the Government to which you have surrendered can afford to be, and will be, magnanimous.

— N.B. Forrest, Lieut.-General
Headquarters, Forrest's Cavalry Corps
Gainesville, Alabama
May 9, 1865"


That does not sound like a man motivated purely by money to me. That does not sound like a man who viewed his troops as poor dupes to be used to serve his financial interests.

It sounds more like a man of character…

In reading the posts, I found that Bedford Forrest was a man of Honor as were most generals on both sides. Correll, your posts are right on point. Well done!

 

[Stephanie]

Stand up people to fight against this CHOAS. this party "Progressive/commie" and President has brought down on us

SNIP:
A black Democrat mayor takes a stand AGAINST removing Confederate flags; here’s why
July 12, 2015 | Michael Dorstewitz | 81 Comments

San Antonio Mayor Ivy Taylor / Source: BuzzPo

She’s not going to be bullied.

A lonely voice of reason was heard in Texas last week — one that wasn’t infected by the national hysteria to wipe all vestige of of the Confederacy from the South after the tragic mass shooting at a traditionally-black Charleston, S.C. church.

And it came from an African-American — and a Democrat — and a woman.

San Antonio Councilman Alan E. Warrick II sent an interdepartmental memo Wednesday asking that city’s mayor to appoint a task force to inventory all Confederate flags, monuments and statues in public areas.

“It often takes an unspeakable tragedy to perpetuate changes in policy and customs of society,” he wrote in the memo. ”We are currently seeing this unfold in communities and states across the nation.”

And his knee-jerk reaction is to follow the other lemmings off the cliff in an effort to destroy any trace of Confederate history.

“I do not believe the vast majority of residents who support Confederate flags or monuments have hate in their hearts,” Warwick admitted. But he added, “The fact that some of these symbols are utilized by hate groups to harass and intimidate should be enough to give us pause.”

Mayor Ivy Taylor wasn’t buying into it, however. On the following day, she released this statement, according to Fox San Antonio:

all of it here

Read more: http://www.bizpacreview.com/2015/07/12/a-black-democrat-mayor-takes-a-stand-against-removing-confederate-flags-heres-why-223829#ixzz3fmOlXjRl

 

[Jackson]

Nathan Bedford Forrest was one of the originators of the Ku Klux Klan. I started out as a drinking club for Confederate soldiers. It was purely a recreational group. Once it grew and became a terrorist society against blacks, Forrest met with President Grant and disbanded it in 1868.

It ignited again after that but Forrest had nothing to do with it. He was appalled to see what it had turned into.

 

[Jackson]

This is a speech Forrest gave to colored people after the war>

Speaks to black Southerners[edit]
In July 1875, Forrest demonstrated that his personal sentiments on the issue of race now differed from that of the Klan, when he was invited to give a speech before an organization of black Southerners advocating racial reconciliation, called the Independent Order of Pole-Bearers Association. At this, his last public appearance, he made what the New York Timesdescribed as a "friendly speech"[10] during which, when offered a bouquet of flowers by a black woman, he accepted them as a token of reconciliation between the races and espoused a radical agenda (for the time) of equality and harmony between black and white Americans.[57] His speech was as follows:

"Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God's earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. ( Immense applause and laughter.) This day is a day that is proud to me, having occupied the position that I did for the past twelve years, and been misunderstood by your race. This is the first opportunity I have had during that time to say that I am your friend. I am here a representative of the southern people, one more slandered and maligned than any man in the nation.
I will say to you and to the colored race that men who bore arms and followed the flag of the Confederacy are, with very few exceptions, your friends. I have an opportunity of saying what I have always felt – that I am your friend, for my interests are your interests, and your interests are my interests. We were born on the same soil, breathe the same air, and live in the same land. Why, then, can we not live as brothers? I will say that when the war broke out I felt it my duty to stand by my people. When the time came I did the best I could, and I don't believe I flickered. I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe that I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to bring about peace. It has always been my motto to elevate every man- to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going.
I have not said anything about politics today. I don't propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, that you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Use your best judgement in selecting men for office and vote as you think right.
Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I'll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand." (Prolonged applause.):
Death[edit]
Forrest died in Memphis in October 1877, at the home of his brother Jesse, reportedly from acute complications of diabetes.[58] His eulogy was delivered by his recent spiritual mentor and former Confederate chaplain, George Tucker Stainback, who declared in his eulogy:Lieutenant-General Nathan Bedford Forrest, though dead, yet speaketh. His acts have photographed themselves upon the hearts of thousands, and will speak there forever.[59]

Forrest was buried at Elmwood Cemetery.[58] In 1904 the remains of Forrest and his wife Mary were disinterred from Elmwood and moved to a Memphis city park originally named Forrest Park in his honor, that has since been renamed Health Sciences Park.[60]

On July 7th, 2015, the Memphis City Council unanimously approved to move the remains of Nathan Bedford Forrest and his wife from Health Sciences Park.[61]

 

[jasonnfree]

That was a hundred and fifty years ago. People change, attitudes change. I think democrats are pushing the flag and statue thing because they have very little else to run on. Especially since hope and change obama sold out his base by joining with republicans to push the latest nightmare of a trade bill through. This will guarantee fewer jobs than ever for blacks as well as whites. Nothing left to run on, so the corporate dems make war against a flag that represents the good as well as the bad from the old south.

Neither party is arguing against Free Trade. So that's really not going to be an issue unless Trump or Sanders gets traction.

The Democrats are pushing this flag thing because it puts a big wedge between the rich Business Republicans who want to be invited to nice parties in New York and Los Angeles and the dumb-ass bubba-rednecks who really think their ancestors did something worthwhile.

So it's a great political issue to push. it puts guys like Jeb Bush on the spot.

Quite a few dems are against the tpp but obama was able to coax some to the table, but yes, quite a few dem politicians are in the bag for free trade, since they need corporate support for elections. The sending of manufacturing jobs to low wage countries has hurt the black population and working class whites as well. TPP will accelerate this I believe, which is why that black simon legree, obama, and his republican buddies are keeping the details of it secret.
Democrats, formerly the party of unions, the little guy etc. since going all out corporate, have to rely on hate. Hate of guns, and confederate flags. They make minor issues like christian minded bakers not baking a wedding cake for a couple of homosexuals into major federal cases.