McConnell and Reid may have just set a 51-vote threshold for passing Obamacare repeal

[boedicca]

And tens of millions that did have health care DON'T!

You can prove this, of course. Using facts?

Meanwhile, taking the humans out of the equation, you're cool with adding $137 billion to the federal deficit?

Obamacare is a deficit reducing law. Sorry GOP you lose again. Repeal would explode the deficit

Obamacare reduced the deficit about as much as the Average Family has saved $2,500 per year due to it.

 

[boedicca]

Tens of millions of people that wouldn't have health insurance have it because of obamacare. Do you really think they won't vote against your party??? Event he ones that don't normally vote.

Everything you do is to hurt people.

And ten of millions more saw skyrocketing premiums and increased deductibles with the health insurance they already had. It seems all you folks can do is hurt people.

The rate of increase of premiums were cut sharply since Obamacare became law. Please stop the lies.

ObamaCare was supposed to result in an average family decrease of $2500 a year, not slow the rate of increase. Please stop the lies.

In the long run, not immediately. It slowed the growth of increase. If all the states expand medicare like the bill called for that would go further in reducing premiums.

Many doctors aren't excepting Medicare anymore and a few states' exchanges have either completely collapsed or cost way more than anticipated. ObamaCare is an unmitigated disaster and does not address the overall problem. It's like sticking a bunch of band-aids on a dam that's cracking.

ObamaCare is going to crater. Here's a prediction: just as the Social Security Disability Insurance Trust Fund insolvency is being covered up (temporarily) by combining it with SS retirement trust fund, ObamaCare's losses will be covered up (temporarily) by combining it with Medicare and Medicaid.


Almost all of Obamacare’s landmark health insurance co-ops are in financial trouble.

The co-ops were invented by the health-care law — they’re private nonprofits that were awarded a total of $2.4 billion in loans from the federal government, in order to establish nonprofit competition to private health insurance companies. Most of the 23 Obamacare co-ops failed to meet their own enrollment and profitability expectations in 2014, according to a report from the Department of Health and Human Services Inspector General — and 21 of 23 totaled up a net loss for the first year of Obamacare’s operation.

That’s to be expected in their first year of operation, according to CMS, but 19 of the 23 nonprofits’ losses exceeded their own projections for the first year. Four co-ops performed so badly that the agency charged with overseeing both the health-care law and the co-ops, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, put them on enhanced oversight or corrective action plans, and two additional co-ops were given low-enrollment warning notifications. but CMS did not establish any criteria or guidance for the fledgling companies to determine whether a co-op was ultimately sustainable at all, according to the report.

The IG report follows independent figures which found that 22 co-ops had reached net losses by the end of 2014....

IG After Billions In Loans Almost All Obamacare Co-Ops Are In The Red The Daily Caller

 

[boedicca]

And ten of millions more saw skyrocketing premiums and increased deductibles with the health insurance they already had. It seems all you folks can do is hurt people.

The rate of increase of premiums were cut sharply since Obamacare became law. Please stop the lies.

ObamaCare was supposed to result in an average family decrease of $2500 a year, not slow the rate of increase. Please stop the lies.

In the long run, not immediately. It slowed the growth of increase. If all the states expand medicare like the bill called for that would go further in reducing premiums.

Many doctors aren't excepting Medicare anymore and a few states' exchanges have either completely collapsed or cost way more than anticipated. ObamaCare is an unmitigated disaster and does not address the overall problem. It's like sticking a bunch of band-aids on a dam that's cracking.

That is simply not true. Obamacare is a tremendous success. You better hope it succeeds because if they went back to the old system now, most economists predict it would be a crashing blow to the economy. The only alternative would be single payer and I certainly would not be opposed to that.

ObamaCare is only a tremendous success if your definition of success is:

- Consolidation of the insurance industry into only a few Mega-Corps
- Elimination of competitive pricing
- Big Government Crony profiteering by Big Pharma
- Elimination of private practice for doctors as costs drive them out of business
- Record keeping instead of health care
- Rationing via DC bureaucrat fiat

For starters...

 

[Arianrhod]

We'd have preferred single payer. But you lot were so busy screaming "SOSHULISM!!!!" that it was never on the table.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

We'd have preferred single payer. But you lot were so busy screaming "SOSHULISM!!!!" that it was never on the table.

Because the government has done such a good job running the VA that we should turn over the health care of 300 million to them next.

 

[Arianrhod]

We'd have preferred single payer. But you lot were so busy screaming "SOSHULISM!!!!" that it was never on the table.

Because the government has done such a good job running the VA that we should turn over the health care of 300 million to them next.

Or you should figure out that the VA is at the mercy of the individual states. In some states it sucks, in others it works well.

Same deal with Medicare as it's currently constituted, but the PPACA is changing that.

In your loathing for the federal government, you need to decide whether states' rights trump human rights.

 

[conservativerod]

Looks like the democrats nuke option is coming back to haunt them.

True

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[conservativerod]

It won't matter. Obama will veto repeal. We need a new President.

Amen

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[Arianrhod]

Well, y'all make sure he doesn't win reelection.

Oh, wait.

 

[Arianrhod]

Sooo, awfully quiet in here. Have you all moved on to some other obstructionist goal, or are you just gearing up for "Republicans Try to Kill It for the 58th Time"?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Lots more if you need them!

And virtually all of them *projections* from up to a year before the PPACA was implemented.

But thanks for playing.

read the link, which you didn't and I wonder, why go out of your way to be an asshole?

 

[Arianrhod]

Lots more if you need them!

And virtually all of them *projections* from up to a year before the PPACA was implemented.

But thanks for playing.

read the link...

There's no link in Post #5, just your bullshit claim. Additionally, your statement in the OP turned out to be bogus. Care to try again?