Maybe there were WMD in Iraq

[DiamondDave]

more left wing blog copy/paste

pitiful

 

[sealybobo]

more left wing blog copy/paste

pitiful

For weeks you guys told me I was just spewing my opinions. You constantly said, "PROVE IT". Well Diamond Dick Head, how would you want me to prove it other than cutting and pasting facts? Are there not links on there for your dumb ass to research the facts?

You guys are rediculous. YOu can't have it both ways David.

 

[AllieBaba]

However, the people can now walk the streets one hell of a lot more safely than they could before, and nobody is gassing their towns.

 

[DiamondDave]

You are not proving a damn thing by cutting and pasting pure blog biased hogwash....

And save your childish personal insults for someone else... frankly it does nothing more than show you have no actual substance behind anything you post

 

[AllieBaba]

Best technique for me is to cut and paste the hook (in your opinion..the point you want to get across) then post a link for the rest. Then you can talk about what's in the rest in your own words, and refer people to the link.

Makes it a lot easier for people to read.

 

[sealybobo]

You are not proving a damn thing by cutting and pasting pure blog biased hogwash....

And save your childish personal insults for someone else... frankly it does nothing more than show you have no actual substance behind anything you post

Where can I go to find "proof"? What is "proof"?

 

[AllieBaba]

Here's one way to do it .... think of a comment which you believe to be true and want to make..then google it and use the best of what you can find to back it up.

 

[Charles_Main]

yellow cake is not a WMD but it could me refined into one, and the point is that this proves Bush did not lie about Yellow cake.

However I am sure all you Liberals will dismiss this out of hand because it does not jive with your narrow view of the Issue.

 

[Ravi]

yellow cake is not a WMD but it could me refined into one, and the point is that this proves Bush did not lie about Yellow cake.

However I am sure all you Liberals will dismiss this out of hand because it does not jive with your narrow view of the Issue.

Shocking revisionism. It's very clear in the link that CSM posted that we have known about this yellowcake since at least 1991. It's been lying around in storage under the eye of the UN weapon's inspectors all along.

Get a grip.

 

[AllieBaba]

What about his comment, "I'm not willing to die over this?"
I think that speaks pretty eloquently to his state of mind.

 

[Charles_Main]

Shocking revisionism. It's very clear in the link that CSM posted that we have known about this yellowcake since at least 1991. It's been lying around in storage under the eye of the UN weapon's inspectors all along.

Get a grip.

you get a grip, this is the yellow cake bush refered too, It was clearly stated then they got it before 91.

Wake up Liberals take off the blinders.

 

[Ravi]

you get a grip, this is the yellow cake bush refered too, It was clearly stated then they got it before 91.

Wake up Liberals take off the blinders.

Nope. Bush was pretending Saddam was buying more. The article states that none of this yellowcake was newer than 1991.

 

[BrianH]

I don't buy it.

Iran has "wmd's" too. So does the USA. As long as they aren't using them.

I heard that Saddam invaded Kuwait because they were horizontally tapping his oil. It does seem strange that he would invade one of his neighbors for no reason.

I can't pretend to have all the answers. I just know that America is very good at spreading propoganda and I know we don't get the same news as International news. So maybe we are being brainwashed and lied to?

We are definately the modern day version of Rome or Great Britain. Can anyone say either of those past superpowers were innocent and richous in every situation? Marching into 3rd world countries, stealing their resources, exploiting them, etc.

After 8 years of Bush, I'm beginning to question it when Condy or Chaney says another country is "evil". Can you blame me?

Of course you don't buy it. And you do a really good job of "pretending" to know everything.

 

[BrianH]

The Iraqi government is to award a series of key oil contracts to British and US companies later today, fuelling criticism that the Iraq war was largely about oil.

The successful companies are expected to include Shell, BP, Exxon Mobil, Chevron and Total.

Non-Western companies, notably those in Russia, are expected to lose out.

The technical support contracts will give the companies access to Iraq's vast untapped oil fields. Oil production in Iraq is at its highest level since the invasion in 2003. The Iraqi government wants to increase production by 20%, as the country has an estimated 115bn barrels of crude reserves.

The US state department was involved in drawing up the contracts, the New York Times reported today.

It provided template contracts and suggestions on drafting but were not involved in the decisions, US officials said.

Democratic senators last week lobbied that the awarding of the contracts should be delayed until after the Iraqi parliament passes laws on the distribution of oil revenues.

Frederick Barton, senior adviser at the Centre for Strategic and International Studies, told the paper: "We pretend it [oil] is not a centerpiece of our motivation, yet we keep confirming that it is."
Last year Alan Greenspan, the former chairman of the Federal Reserve said: "Everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."

British and US companies win Iraq oil contracts | World news | guardian.co.uk

This doesn't prove anything about anyone "stealing" anything.

 

[sealybobo]

This doesn't prove anything about anyone "stealing" anything.

We invaded their country under false pretenses Brian. That's common knowledge at this point. I can not have an honest conversation with someone who is still clinging to the WMD lie. Good night boy.

 

[BrianH]

Our bridges are falling apart (among other things), and its Ronald Reagan’s fault.

A few hours before the bridge collapsed in Minnesota, a news release landed (among hundreds) in my email inbox. It was from the right-wing “Heartland Institute” and a Minnesota conservative group calling itself the “Taxpayers League of Minnesota.” It read:

Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty (R) issued 20 full or partial vetoes of tax hikes and spending increases in May, giving taxpayers reason to smile. …

May 1, Pawlenty, in a move that took everyone by surprise, vetoed an entire $334 million “emergency” capital investment bill. Pawlenty said in his veto message the bill authorized “more than four times more spending on projects than I requested and is simply too large.”

Two weeks later Pawlenty announced another important veto, this one to block a transportation bill containing more than $5 billion in tax and fee increases…

“Buying down property taxes through local government aid programs has never proven to be a long-term solution to property tax pressures,” Pawlenty said in a May 30 veto message.

Phil Krinkie, president of the Taxpayers League of Minnesota, agreed.

“Relying on the benevolence of local units of government to restrain their spending and lower property taxes when the state drops sacks of money in their lap is simply foolish,” Krinkie said. “Thankfully, Minnesota has a governor that recognizes this.”

The transportation bill veto is the only one the DFL [the Democratic Farm and Labor party which controls the Minnesota legislature] tried to override. The attempt came with less than 20 minutes remaining in the session and was defeated by House Republicans, led by Minority Leader Marty Seifert (R-Marshall).

“Democrats made too many campaign promises to win their seats and are now learning they can’t pay for them,” Marshall [Seifert] said after the failed override attempt.

Ultimately, it was the DFL’s inability to override any of Pawlenty’s vetoes–particularly of the transportation bill–that resulted in a comparatively small $3 billion increase in state spending with no new taxes.

Said Krinkie of the 2007 session, “Minnesotans really need to thank Gov. Pawlenty and Rep. Seifert’s House Republicans. These guys stood strong in the face of overwhelming pressure and came through for taxpayers when they really needed them.”

If by “taxpayers” one means “millionaires, billionaires, and corporations,” the news release was accurate. And now its authors have blood on their hands.

After the Republican Great Depression, FDR put this nation back to work, in part by raising taxes on income above $3 to $4 million a year (in today’s dollars) to 91 percent, and corporate taxes to over 50% of profits. The revenue from those income taxes built dams, roads, bridges, sewers, water systems, schools, hospitals, train stations, railways, an interstate highway system, and airports. It educated a generation returning from World War II. It acted as a cap on the rare but occasional obsessively greedy person taking so much out of the economy that it impoverished the rest of us.

Through the 1950s, though, more and more loopholes for the rich were built into the tax code, so much so that JFK observed in his second debate with Richard Nixon that dropping the top tax rate to 70% but tightening up the loopholes would actually be a tax increase.

JFK pushed through that tax increase to take us back toward FDR/Truman/Eisenhower revenue levels, and we continued to build infrastructure in the US, and even put men on the moon. Health care and college were cheap and widely available. Working people could raise a family and have security in their old age. Every billion dollars (a half-week in Iraq) invested in infrastructure in America created 47,000 good-paying jobs as Americans built America.

But the rich fought back, and won big-time in 1980 when Reagan, until then the fringe “Voodoo economics” candidate who was heading into the election trailing far behind Jimmy Carter, was swept into the White House on a wave of public concern of the Iranians taking US hostages. Reagan promptly cut income taxes on the very rich from 70% down to 27%. Corporate tax rates were also cut so severely that they went from representing over 33% of total federal tax receipts in 1951 to less than 9% in 1983 (they’re still in that neighborhood, the lowest in the industrialized world).

The result was devastating. Our government was suddenly so badly awash in red ink that Reagan doubled the tax paid only by people earning less than $40,000/year (FICA), and then began borrowing from the huge surplus this new tax was accumulating in the Social Security Trust Fund. Even with that, Reagan had to borrow more money in his 8 years than the sum total of all presidents from George Washington to Jimmy Carter combined.

In addition to badly throwing the nation into debt, Reagan’s tax cut blew out the ceiling on the accumulation of wealth, leading to a new Gilded Age and the rise of a generation of super-wealthy that hadn’t been seen since the Robber Baron era of the 1890s or the Roaring 20s.

And, most tragically, Reagan’s tax cuts caused America to stop investing in infrastructure. As a nation, we’ve been coasting since the early 1980s, living on borrowed money while we burn through (in some cases literally) the hospitals, roads, bridges, steam tunnels, and other infrastructure we built in the Golden Age of the Middle Class between the 1940s and the 1980s.

We even stopped investing in the intellectual infrastructure of this nation: college education. A degree that a student in the 1970s could have paid for by working as a waitress at a Howard Johnson’s restaurant (what my wife did in the late 60s - I did so working as a near-minimum-wage DJ) now means incurring massive and life-altering debt for all but the very wealthy. Reagan, who as governor ended free tuition at the University of California, put into place the foundations for the explosion in college tuition we see today.

The Associated Press reported on August 4, 2007, that the president of Nike, Mark Parker, “raked in $3.6 million [in compensation] in ‘07.” That’s $13,846 per weekday, $69,230 a week. And yet it would still keep him just below the top 70% tax rate if this were the pre-Reagan era. We had a social consensus that somebody earning around $3 million a year was fine, but above that was really more than anybody needs to live in America.

In the worldview Americans held in the 1930-1980 era, Parker’s compensation was reasonable. But William McGuire (aka in the business press as “Dollar Bill“) taking over $1.6 billion - $1,600,000,000.00 - from the nation’s second largest health insurance company (you wonder where your health care dollars are going?) would have been considered excessive before the “Reagan Revolution.”

There is much discussion of what the floor on earnings should be - the minimum wage - but none about the ceiling. That’s largely because effectively there is no ceiling, and those who control vast wealth in America are happy to have Americans fight over “How poor is too poor?” just so long as nobody asks “How rich is too rich?”

When Reagan dropped the top income tax rate from over 70% down to under 30%, all hell broke loose. With the legal and social restraint to unlimited selfishness removed, “the good of the nation” was replaced by “greed is good” as the primary paradigm.

In the years since then, mind-boggling wealth has risen among fewer than 20,000 people in America (the top 0.01 percent of wage-earners), but their influence has been tremendous. They finance “conservative” think tanks (think Joseph Coors and the Heritage Foundation), change public opinion (Walton heirs funding a covert effort to change the “estate tax” to the “death tax”), lobby congress and the president (who calls the “haves and the have-more’s” his “base”), and work to strip down public institutions.

The middle class is being replaced by the working poor. American infrastructure built with tax revenues during the 1934-1981 is now crumbling and disintegrating. Hospitals and highways and power and water systems have been corporatized. People are dying.

And Bush, following closely in Reagan’s footsteps, is making things worse. As Senator Bernie Sanders pointed out at recent hearings for the confirmation of Bush’s new nominee for the Office of Management and Budget:

Since Bush has been president:

over 5 million people have slipped into poverty;
nearly 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance;
median household income has gone down by nearly $1,300;
three million manufacturing jobs have been lost;
three million American workers have lost their pensions;
home foreclosures are now the highest on record;
the personal savings rate is below zero - which hasn’t happened since the great depression;
the real earnings of college graduates have gone down by about 5% in the last few years;
entry level wages for male and female high school graduates have fallen by over 3%;
wages and salaries are now at the lowest share of GDP since 1929.
The debate about whether or not to roll Bush’s tax cuts back to Clinton’s modest mid-30% rates is absurd. It’s time to roll back the horribly failed experiment of the Reagan tax cuts. And use that money to pay down Reagan’s debt and rebuild this nation.

Start citing your sources numnuts. This doesn't mean crap. All you can see is that you copy and pasted it from "somewhere". And not to mention your jacking with copyright laws.

 

[sealybobo]

This doesn't prove anything about anyone "stealing" anything.

Bending over and spreading your butt cheeks for a gay man who is putting a condom on doesn't prove you are gay either Brian.

Mark Foley's creepy text messages doesn't prove he's a pedophile either Brian.

Walking around the grocery store with chocolate on your face doesn't prove you were grazing either.

Telling me that Chaney and Bush haven't lied doesn't make you gullable either Brian.

Brian, you are a dope. We are stealing Iraqs oil. Imagine Canada came in because they didn't trust us with our WMD's and then for the next 100 years, they took over our oil fields and gave us only 25% of the revenue. Would you think they were stealing our oil?

You are a dope for sure. Brainwashed idiot.

 

[BrianH]

I suspect you haven't had an original thought in your life. Who has? I play guitar. I learned from the Stones, Doors, Prince, Queen, CCR, G&R, James Taylor, John Cougar, Foo Fighters, Toby Keith, Billy Joel, Willie Nelson, Garth, Keith Urban, Steve Miller Band, Clapton, etc.

I ironic of your first statement.....you can't even make your own music, you have to "learn" from the classics and some, not so classic artists

Sorry, i'm a hack.

Where did you learn what you know? Or did you figure everything out on your own? Chances are, you have only learned from your dumb dad. Most conservatives are products of their fathers ignorance.

Your proof please?

Don't people study Plato, Socrates, Bach, Bethoven, etc.?

Are you comparing yourself to Plato, Socrates, Bach, and Beethoven?
"Entire ignorance is not so terrible or extreme an evil, and is far from being the greatest of all; too much cleverness and too much learning, accompanied with ill bringing-up, are far more fatal. (Plato)" How smart are you again? Also, Socrates believed that real wise men realize they don't know crap...unlike yourself, who believes he's the all knowing based on Obama's message.

We wouldn't know how to keep time if someone else didn't invent the clock, right?

That's why Hillary said, "it takes a villiage to raise an idiot. What villiage did you come from again?

Weren't you disqualified from the contest for cheating?

 

[sealybobo]

Start citing your sources numnuts. This doesn't mean crap. All you can see is that you copy and pasted it from "somewhere". And not to mention your jacking with copyright laws.

thom hartmann op ed pieces bitch.

 

[sealybobo]

Weren't you disqualified from the contest for cheating?

So I can't use other sources and my opinion means nothing? LOL. You are funny Brian.