Mass Shooting in Orange, CA with 1 Child and 3 Adults Dead

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Everyone in the church house was unarmed.

Well of course they were. Since time immemorial, churches were agreed to be sanctuaries, places of safety. Not any more, though.

What a ridiculous statement. You say that as though in all of history no churches were attacked until modern wacko mass killers in the past 50 years.

Heavens. For centuries and centuries, in times of war, or fleeing prosecution, people fled to churches as a place where they wouldn't be bothered, and this was respected by all. Even though it is no longer legally in force, the tradition of safety in a church continues. Continued.

Have you ever heard of the Swiss Guard?...lol

 

[OldLady]

Everyone in the church house was unarmed.

Well of course they were. Since time immemorial, churches were agreed to be sanctuaries, places of safety. Not any more, though.

What a ridiculous statement. You say that as though in all of history no churches were attacked until modern wacko mass killers in the past 50 years.

Heavens. For centuries and centuries, in times of war, or fleeing prosecution, people fled to churches as a place where they wouldn't be bothered, and this was respected by all. Even though it is no longer legally in force, the tradition of safety in a church continues. Continued.

Have you ever heard of the Swiss Guard?...lol

Ho ho ho. You're real comedian.

 

[Blues Man]

Hey! I know! We should all buy more guns!

Until humans have three hands two guns are enough.
Of course liberals - non-humans that they are - have a slight advantage in that they shoot their mouths off and their words kill babies.

Cool can I give you a list of things i don't think you need too?

 

[Blues Man]

Yawn? Not enough dead to be interesting?

Yawn, you won't do anything about it, they'll just keep happening, ho hum.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens​

Gunmen on motorbikes raid Niger villages, kill at least 137 | Niger News | Al Jazeera

And next, you will show us that their gun deaths are higher per capita than here in the U.S., right?

Mexico's murder rate is 3x higher than the U.S. and gun ownership is 10x lower.

Mexico is scarred by the US war on drugs. Why dont you compare the US with Europe?

Why don't you want to compare with Mexico? Do you believe brown people are inferior?

But, ok, let's compare with Europe: London's murder rate increased 28% last year. How do you explain that?

Rates go up and down but the UK and all of Europe is many times safer than gun crazy USA. That is a constant.

But you have twice as many rapes in your country.

So not so safe for women huh?

 

[emilynghiem]

Why does this bother you when major cities log shooting death counts like this every day? I guess as long as the murders are 'civilized' and one-on-one and not *gasp* a "mass murder", everything is cool.

Similar to plane crashes vs car crashes.

One difference is the number of people and families affected by the impact at once.
When it is concentrated in one incident, it is perceived, processed and presented in the news differently than multiple incidents over several regions that might kill or injure 1-3 people each.

Car wrecks that kill an entire family of 5 also will draw more attention and weight than 5 different accidents killing 1 person each.

This also affects how the MEDIA responds, if an incident seems "out of the ordinary" (where car accidents or gun violence "that happen on a regular basis" don't get as much attention as an incident that "stands out" because of the numbers killed, or children dying or something else the media can feature that makes this different and stand out)

Another factor is perception of CONTROL and responsibility for the deaths.

People feel more in control of cars they drive themselves to avoid wrecks, vs planes or trains that rely on systems or drivers/pilots we don't control.
And similarly, if mass deaths occur because of ONE shooter, the focus goes to what caused or could have prevented that (either blaming the shooter, the access to guns, the mental or criminal illness, the impact of drugs etc.)

And finally there is some collective conscience, spiritual or karmic factor.
If people sense a connection, or believe there is a reason or a sign of a certain problem the incident represents, they will respond likewise, either consciously or subconsciously. We are all connected socially or spiritually on some collective level. The closer an impact affects you, one person may respond more than another.
This is why people may blame different things or respond in different ways.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Everyone in the church house was unarmed.

Well of course they were. Since time immemorial, churches were agreed to be sanctuaries, places of safety. Not any more, though.

What a ridiculous statement. You say that as though in all of history no churches were attacked until modern wacko mass killers in the past 50 years.

Heavens. For centuries and centuries, in times of war, or fleeing prosecution, people fled to churches as a place where they wouldn't be bothered, and this was respected by all. Even though it is no longer legally in force, the tradition of safety in a church continues. Continued.

Have you ever heard of the Swiss Guard?...lol

Ho ho ho. You're real comedian.

I take that to mean you haven't heard of the Swiss Gaurd that's been defending the Vatican for 515 years.

Swiss Guard - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[AMart]

Yawn? Not enough dead to be interesting?

Yawn, you won't do anything about it, they'll just keep happening, ho hum.

‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens​

Gunmen on motorbikes raid Niger villages, kill at least 137 | Niger News | Al Jazeera

And next, you will show us that their gun deaths are higher per capita than here in the U.S., right?

Mexico's murder rate is 3x higher than the U.S. and gun ownership is 10x lower.

Mexico is scarred by the US war on drugs. Why dont you compare the US with Europe?

Why don't you want to compare with Mexico? Do you believe brown people are inferior?

But, ok, let's compare with Europe: London's murder rate increased 28% last year. How do you explain that?

Rates go up and down but the UK and all of Europe is many times safer than gun crazy USA. That is a constant.

But you have twice as many rapes in your country.

So not so safe for women huh?

Hell they mass imported low IQ tribal Pakis who in turn created mass rape gangs that only target native British girls.

 

[toobfreak]

Mass Shooting in Orange, CA with 1 Child and 3 Adults Dead

When does it cease being a mass shooting now? When we get down to just two people?

 

[XponentialChaos]

I gave you the proof that non-fatal gun crime is down 2/3 over the last 28 years. Yes, the data is over 10 years old.

Apparently you’re having difficulty with the English language.

Do you know what “the last 28 years” means?

 

[XponentialChaos]

Take suicides out.
Take gang and drug related shootings out.

The report separates homicides from suicides. But it doesn’t separate them by gang activity or not. At least I didn’t see it.

Homicides with guns are increasing.

 

[woodwork201]

I gave you the proof that non-fatal gun crime is down 2/3 over the last 28 years. Yes, the data is over 10 years old.

Apparently you’re having difficulty with the English language.

Do you know what “the last 28 years” means?

Yeah, it's kinda hard to compare 1993 stats with 2018 stats without getting some 28 year old data. I guess you'd like to compare last week's data with the week before's and call that statistical analysis?

 

[XponentialChaos]

I guess you'd like to compare last week's data with the week before's and call that statistical analysis?

Not necessary. But something more recent than 10 years ago would be helpful.

More recent data shows that gun-related homicides are increasing. So there's that.

By the way, you might want to have someone explain to you what "the last 28 years" means.

 

[woodwork201]

I guess you'd like to compare last week's data with the week before's and call that statistical analysis?

Not necessary. But something more recent than 10 years ago would be helpful.

More recent data shows that gun-related homicides are increasing. So there's that.

By the way, you might want to have someone explain to you what "the last 28 years" means.

The current threadjack topic is whether increases in guns increase or decrease crime. I've proven that crime has decreased significantly coincident with the increase in guns or the increase in the potential for guns. We'd have to get into the criminal mind to prove causality but I've proven the timing.

Now, if you'd like a new threadjack on whether gun-related homicides are increasing, let's have that right after you confirm that you've lost this debate and are ready to start another.

 

[XponentialChaos]

The current threadjack topic is whether increases in guns increase or decrease crime.

Man, you are confused.

 

[lennypartiv]

Does this really fit the definition of a mass shooting? I don't think so. More left wing drama about nothing.