Mass Shooting in Nova Scotia

[2aguy]

Wait this couldn't have happened in Canada because they have All the Best Gun Laws and every time there's a shooting in America they bring all the Snooty Canucks here to lecture us.

So I know I'm not reading this right now.

Correct?

(Condolences to the families of the lost. As we know humans are humans wherever you are and some of them are rotten)

Nope, not correct. Because it's got nothing to do with "laws" and never did. Has everything to do with Culture.

We live in an established culture of violence and death, based around the penis-shaped bullet. We're indoctrinated into it from childhood from TV commercials for toy guns to comic books "celebrating" gunslingers of the "old west". Canada doesn't have that legacy. MOST cultures don't have that shit. Then plug in a major Masculinity Crisis (guess what gender virtually all mass shooters comprise) and you have a recipe for mayhem. You can pass or not pass all the laws you want, it doesn't change that culture. As long as that culture demands worship of Almighty Gun with its attendant blood and carnage, those immersed in it will commit that carnage, laws or no laws.

Lemme see if I can dredge up an old thread of mine on this, the topic upon which I joined this site, right between the Jacksonville and Sandy Hook shootings.

EDIT - here ya go, no thanks to the site search box -- had to Google to find it. This is from a few years ago, begin paste:

I give you two cities, split by a river, kinda like Minneapolis and St. Paul are but this is a different pair of cities.

Obviously being next to each other, these cities have much in common regionally, climatically, industrially and so on. They are less than a mile apart, connected by a bridge and a tunnel. But the two cities show a stark difference in one area.

The city to the west recorded 377 total homicides in 2011 and 327 in 2010, according to police statistics(1), carrying a homicide rate of around 50 per 100,000 people
Across the bridge in the same time period, there was a total of one. For both years put together. A rate of 0.30. From September 27, 2009 to November 22, 2011 in that city, there were no murders at all. Zero.

What's going on here?

One of them is in Canada. The cities are Detroit and Windsor.

I haven't determined how many of those homicides were committed by firearm, but for a guide, out of 386 Detroit homicides in 2012, 333 were by firearm. Over 86%. (1)

And the one murder that finally broke the 2011 streak in Windsor? It was a stabbing.

People in his city of about 215,000 have a saying, Blaine said Friday afternoon: "In Windsor, when a 7-Eleven is held up, it usually is a knife. In Detroit, it is an Uzi."

It's not that there's no crime in Windsor, an industrial city that has seen its own economic challenges. "We're no different than any other major metropolitan area," Corey said. (here)

704 to 1 in homicide; several hundred to zero in gun deaths.
Detroit: at or near the highest murder rate in its country; Windsor: lowest in its country.
Less than a mile apart.

What's driving the difference? Gun control? Or gun culture?

Resources/further reading:​

(1) 2012 Crime/Homicide Stats​

​

(2) Freep.com 1/3/13​

​

A Tale of Two Cities​

​

Murder-Free Two Years​

The fault lies not in our guns but in ourselves. To our values we are underlings.

{end paste}

Well moron, you then can't explain this.....more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rate went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%......

And there you go....a sexual fixation on guns and this time a bullet.....you left wing, anti-gun extremists have some very weird sexual fixations.....start talking about guns and you asshats talk about the penis.......you need help...

Gun crime is going up in Canada...as their drug gangs become more violent to protect drug turf.

We had 10 mass public shootings in 2019...... 10 individuals in a country of over 320 million people...

"We had ten mass shootings in 2019" --- where "10" is defined as "417".
More mass shootings than calendar days in 2019

I stopped reading right there since I KNEW without bothering to look up a number that it was complete fabricated lower intestinal ploppage.

Such a lying fuck. You must actually think that you can just post shit and it takes form like some kind of Frankenstein.

From that same link:

>> In the end, 2019 had the highest number of mass shootings in any year since 2014, when the Gun Violence Archive started its count. It has surpassed the prior record of 382 mass shootings in 2016. The GVA reported 346 mass shootings in 2017 and 337 in 2018. <<

Among those listed:

• A shootout at a kosher grocery store in Jersey City, New Jersey, on December 10. Three people in the store were killed and three others wounded, including two police officers. The two attackers also died in the shootout. The attackers also shot and killed a police detective at a nearby cemetery before the store attack.
• A shooting near New Orleans' French Quarter on December 1 that left 10 people injured.
• A shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, on November 14, which left two teenage students dead and three wounded. The suspect, a 16-year-old student, shot himself in the head and died the next day.
• A drive-by shooting spree in Odessa and Midland, Texas, on August 31, with seven people killed and 24 wounded
• A shooting in a historic district of Dayton, Ohio, on August 4, with nine people killed and 27 injured.
• A shooting at Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on August 3, with 22 people killed and 24 wounded. It was the deadliest shooting of the year, and the seventh-deadliest in modern U.S. history.
• A shooting at a playground hosting a community festival in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, on July 28. One person was killed and 11 were wounded.
• A shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in the San Francisco Bay Area on July 28. Three people were killed — two of them children — and 12 were wounded. Police shot and killed the gunman.
• A shooting in a municipal building in Virginia Beach, on May 31, where a former city employee killed 12 people and wounded four.

Those are just the biggest nine. And you're sitting on this site trying to sell there were only "ten".

Oh and we CONTINUE TO WAIT for that quote of me saying "guns cause crime and murder". Crickets.

Yes....the Gun Violence Archive lies....it mixes up criminal and gang shootings in to increase the number of mass public shooings....two different crimes to fake high mass public shooting numbers....thanks for pointing that out.....the Gun Violence Archive has to lie about mass public shootings to deceive the public....

A mass public shooting is not a gang shooting, over drug turf, rivalries, crap games, block parties.....

A mass public shooting is an individual, without any other crime involved, walking into a public space to murder complete strangers....the entire act is the act of murder without any other precondition....

US mass shootings, 1982-2020: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
• ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence.

(Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.

 

[2aguy]

Wait this couldn't have happened in Canada because they have All the Best Gun Laws and every time there's a shooting in America they bring all the Snooty Canucks here to lecture us.

So I know I'm not reading this right now.

Correct?

(Condolences to the families of the lost. As we know humans are humans wherever you are and some of them are rotten)

Nope, not correct. Because it's got nothing to do with "laws" and never did. Has everything to do with Culture.

We live in an established culture of violence and death, based around the penis-shaped bullet. We're indoctrinated into it from childhood from TV commercials for toy guns to comic books "celebrating" gunslingers of the "old west". Canada doesn't have that legacy. MOST cultures don't have that shit. Then plug in a major Masculinity Crisis (guess what gender virtually all mass shooters comprise) and you have a recipe for mayhem. You can pass or not pass all the laws you want, it doesn't change that culture. As long as that culture demands worship of Almighty Gun with its attendant blood and carnage, those immersed in it will commit that carnage, laws or no laws.

Lemme see if I can dredge up an old thread of mine on this, the topic upon which I joined this site, right between the Jacksonville and Sandy Hook shootings.

EDIT - here ya go, no thanks to the site search box -- had to Google to find it. This is from a few years ago, begin paste:

I give you two cities, split by a river, kinda like Minneapolis and St. Paul are but this is a different pair of cities.

Obviously being next to each other, these cities have much in common regionally, climatically, industrially and so on. They are less than a mile apart, connected by a bridge and a tunnel. But the two cities show a stark difference in one area.

The city to the west recorded 377 total homicides in 2011 and 327 in 2010, according to police statistics(1), carrying a homicide rate of around 50 per 100,000 people
Across the bridge in the same time period, there was a total of one. For both years put together. A rate of 0.30. From September 27, 2009 to November 22, 2011 in that city, there were no murders at all. Zero.

What's going on here?

One of them is in Canada. The cities are Detroit and Windsor.

I haven't determined how many of those homicides were committed by firearm, but for a guide, out of 386 Detroit homicides in 2012, 333 were by firearm. Over 86%. (1)

And the one murder that finally broke the 2011 streak in Windsor? It was a stabbing.

People in his city of about 215,000 have a saying, Blaine said Friday afternoon: "In Windsor, when a 7-Eleven is held up, it usually is a knife. In Detroit, it is an Uzi."

It's not that there's no crime in Windsor, an industrial city that has seen its own economic challenges. "We're no different than any other major metropolitan area," Corey said. (here)

704 to 1 in homicide; several hundred to zero in gun deaths.
Detroit: at or near the highest murder rate in its country; Windsor: lowest in its country.
Less than a mile apart.

What's driving the difference? Gun control? Or gun culture?

Resources/further reading:​

(1) 2012 Crime/Homicide Stats​

​

(2) Freep.com 1/3/13​

​

A Tale of Two Cities​

​

Murder-Free Two Years​

The fault lies not in our guns but in ourselves. To our values we are underlings.

{end paste}

Well moron, you then can't explain this.....more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rate went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%......

And there you go....a sexual fixation on guns and this time a bullet.....you left wing, anti-gun extremists have some very weird sexual fixations.....start talking about guns and you asshats talk about the penis.......you need help...

Gun crime is going up in Canada...as their drug gangs become more violent to protect drug turf.

We had 10 mass public shootings in 2019...... 10 individuals in a country of over 320 million people...

"We had ten mass shootings in 2019" --- where "10" is defined as "417".
More mass shootings than calendar days in 2019

I stopped reading right there since I KNEW without bothering to look up a number that it was complete fabricated lower intestinal ploppage.

Such a lying fuck. You must actually think that you can just post shit and it takes form like some kind of Frankenstein.

From that same link:

>> In the end, 2019 had the highest number of mass shootings in any year since 2014, when the Gun Violence Archive started its count. It has surpassed the prior record of 382 mass shootings in 2016. The GVA reported 346 mass shootings in 2017 and 337 in 2018. <<

Among those listed:

• A shootout at a kosher grocery store in Jersey City, New Jersey, on December 10. Three people in the store were killed and three others wounded, including two police officers. The two attackers also died in the shootout. The attackers also shot and killed a police detective at a nearby cemetery before the store attack.
• A shooting near New Orleans' French Quarter on December 1 that left 10 people injured.
• A shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, on November 14, which left two teenage students dead and three wounded. The suspect, a 16-year-old student, shot himself in the head and died the next day.
• A drive-by shooting spree in Odessa and Midland, Texas, on August 31, with seven people killed and 24 wounded
• A shooting in a historic district of Dayton, Ohio, on August 4, with nine people killed and 27 injured.
• A shooting at Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on August 3, with 22 people killed and 24 wounded. It was the deadliest shooting of the year, and the seventh-deadliest in modern U.S. history.
• A shooting at a playground hosting a community festival in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, on July 28. One person was killed and 11 were wounded.
• A shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in the San Francisco Bay Area on July 28. Three people were killed — two of them children — and 12 were wounded. Police shot and killed the gunman.
• A shooting in a municipal building in Virginia Beach, on May 31, where a former city employee killed 12 people and wounded four.

Those are just the biggest nine. And you're sitting on this site trying to sell there were only "ten".

Oh and we CONTINUE TO WAIT for that quote of me saying "guns cause crime and murder". Crickets.

The Gun Violence Archive lies........they know that a Mass Public Shooting is a different crime from gang violence.....they know that Americans understand a mass public shooting is not gang bangers shooting at each other, but an individual walking into a public space for no other reason than to murder strangers...

The GVA knows this and they know that 95% of Americans do not have to fear gang shootings since they do not live in democrat party controlled voting districts where gang members are allowed to run free.....but the media hypes mass public shootings 24/7 when they happen because they happen in public places where normal people work, shop, and pray..............

Again....2019....10 official mass public shootings....but you can't tell the public that out of a country of over 320 million people, 10 individuals murdered people in mass public shootings....you can't stampede them into giving you unlimited power to grab guns with that number.....so doofuses like you use the fake number of the Gun Violence Archive to lie to the American people.....to hide the truth, and to instill fear....

 

[Papageorgio]

Too bad. Truth is, people are people, you can’t legislate behavior.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wait this couldn't have happened in Canada because they have All the Best Gun Laws and every time there's a shooting in America they bring all the Snooty Canucks here to lecture us.

So I know I'm not reading this right now.

Correct?

(Condolences to the families of the lost. As we know humans are humans wherever you are and some of them are rotten)

Nope, not correct. Because it's got nothing to do with "laws" and never did. Has everything to do with Culture.

We live in an established culture of violence and death, based around the penis-shaped bullet. We're indoctrinated into it from childhood from TV commercials for toy guns to comic books "celebrating" gunslingers of the "old west". Canada doesn't have that legacy. MOST cultures don't have that shit. Then plug in a major Masculinity Crisis (guess what gender virtually all mass shooters comprise) and you have a recipe for mayhem. You can pass or not pass all the laws you want, it doesn't change that culture. As long as that culture demands worship of Almighty Gun with its attendant blood and carnage, those immersed in it will commit that carnage, laws or no laws.

Lemme see if I can dredge up an old thread of mine on this, the topic upon which I joined this site, right between the Jacksonville and Sandy Hook shootings.

EDIT - here ya go, no thanks to the site search box -- had to Google to find it. This is from a few years ago, begin paste:

I give you two cities, split by a river, kinda like Minneapolis and St. Paul are but this is a different pair of cities.

Obviously being next to each other, these cities have much in common regionally, climatically, industrially and so on. They are less than a mile apart, connected by a bridge and a tunnel. But the two cities show a stark difference in one area.

The city to the west recorded 377 total homicides in 2011 and 327 in 2010, according to police statistics(1), carrying a homicide rate of around 50 per 100,000 people
Across the bridge in the same time period, there was a total of one. For both years put together. A rate of 0.30. From September 27, 2009 to November 22, 2011 in that city, there were no murders at all. Zero.

What's going on here?

One of them is in Canada. The cities are Detroit and Windsor.

I haven't determined how many of those homicides were committed by firearm, but for a guide, out of 386 Detroit homicides in 2012, 333 were by firearm. Over 86%. (1)

And the one murder that finally broke the 2011 streak in Windsor? It was a stabbing.

People in his city of about 215,000 have a saying, Blaine said Friday afternoon: "In Windsor, when a 7-Eleven is held up, it usually is a knife. In Detroit, it is an Uzi."

It's not that there's no crime in Windsor, an industrial city that has seen its own economic challenges. "We're no different than any other major metropolitan area," Corey said. (here)

704 to 1 in homicide; several hundred to zero in gun deaths.
Detroit: at or near the highest murder rate in its country; Windsor: lowest in its country.
Less than a mile apart.

What's driving the difference? Gun control? Or gun culture?

Resources/further reading:​

(1) 2012 Crime/Homicide Stats​

​

(2) Freep.com 1/3/13​

​

A Tale of Two Cities​

​

Murder-Free Two Years​

The fault lies not in our guns but in ourselves. To our values we are underlings.

{end paste}

Well moron, you then can't explain this.....more Americans own and carry guns, our gun crime rate went down 49%, gun crime went down 75%......

And there you go....a sexual fixation on guns and this time a bullet.....you left wing, anti-gun extremists have some very weird sexual fixations.....start talking about guns and you asshats talk about the penis.......you need help...

Gun crime is going up in Canada...as their drug gangs become more violent to protect drug turf.

We had 10 mass public shootings in 2019...... 10 individuals in a country of over 320 million people...

"We had ten mass shootings in 2019" --- where "10" is defined as "417".
More mass shootings than calendar days in 2019

I stopped reading right there since I KNEW without bothering to look up a number that it was complete fabricated lower intestinal ploppage.

Such a lying fuck. You must actually think that you can just post shit and it takes form like some kind of Frankenstein.

From that same link:

>> In the end, 2019 had the highest number of mass shootings in any year since 2014, when the Gun Violence Archive started its count. It has surpassed the prior record of 382 mass shootings in 2016. The GVA reported 346 mass shootings in 2017 and 337 in 2018. <<

Among those listed:

• A shootout at a kosher grocery store in Jersey City, New Jersey, on December 10. Three people in the store were killed and three others wounded, including two police officers. The two attackers also died in the shootout. The attackers also shot and killed a police detective at a nearby cemetery before the store attack.
• A shooting near New Orleans' French Quarter on December 1 that left 10 people injured.
• A shooting at Saugus High School in Santa Clarita, California, on November 14, which left two teenage students dead and three wounded. The suspect, a 16-year-old student, shot himself in the head and died the next day.
• A drive-by shooting spree in Odessa and Midland, Texas, on August 31, with seven people killed and 24 wounded
• A shooting in a historic district of Dayton, Ohio, on August 4, with nine people killed and 27 injured.
• A shooting at Walmart in El Paso, Texas, on August 3, with 22 people killed and 24 wounded. It was the deadliest shooting of the year, and the seventh-deadliest in modern U.S. history.
• A shooting at a playground hosting a community festival in the Brownsville neighborhood of Brooklyn, New York, on July 28. One person was killed and 11 were wounded.
• A shooting at the Gilroy Garlic Festival in the San Francisco Bay Area on July 28. Three people were killed — two of them children — and 12 were wounded. Police shot and killed the gunman.
• A shooting in a municipal building in Virginia Beach, on May 31, where a former city employee killed 12 people and wounded four.

Those are just the biggest nine. And you're sitting on this site trying to sell there were only "ten".

Oh and we CONTINUE TO WAIT for that quote of me saying "guns cause crime and murder". Crickets.

The Gun Violence Archive lies........they know that a Mass Public Shooting is a different crime from gang violence.....they know that Americans understand a mass public shooting is not gang bangers shooting at each other, but an individual walking into a public space for no other reason than to murder strangers...

The GVA knows this and they know that 95% of Americans do not have to fear gang shootings since they do not live in democrat party controlled voting districts where gang members are allowed to run free.....but the media hypes mass public shootings 24/7 when they happen because they happen in public places where normal people work, shop, and pray..............

Again....2019....10 official mass public shootings....but you can't tell the public that out of a country of over 320 million people, 10 individuals murdered people in mass public shootings....you can't stampede them into giving you unlimited power to grab guns with that number.....so doofuses like you use the fake number of the Gun Violence Archive to lie to the American people.....to hide the truth, and to instill fear....

Highly informative!

 

[beagle9]

Guns for self defence and hunting will always be part of America, so deal with it or get out. If we didn't have a way to protect ourselves until the law arrives, we would have hundreds of thousands more deaths than what we have every other year in America, and worse maybe even 6 million in 4 years time. Hmmmm I wonder where that happened in the world once upon a time ?

 

[2aguy]

The number killed is up to 23.

They still haven't mentioned what weapon he used.......

Trudeau has been trying to push various bans on rifles and he is trying to use this for that....even though they haven't stated the weapon....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Oops. There goes Canada's Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

Multiple victims in Canada shooting by suspect who was dressed as police officer, officials say

Following a manhunt, Canadian police have arrested a suspect in a Nova Scotia shooting after multiple victims were found.

Gabriel Wortman, 51, was taken into custody on Sunday after a pursuit throughout the Canadian province, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) said.

Wortman was believed to be wearing a police uniform and driving a police vehicle, but is not employed by the RCMP, according to the police.

Multiple victims in Canada shooting by suspect who was dressed as police officer, officials say

Heeerrre's Shooty...

Interesting he had a Royal Canadian Mounted Police uniform and vehicle to pull people over and shoot them
That's not your standard mass shooting. More than likely used a sidearm to shoot his victims
But Trudeau is wanting an assault weapons ban? Why?

 

[2aguy]

Oops. There goes Canada's Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

Multiple victims in Canada shooting by suspect who was dressed as police officer, officials say

Following a manhunt, Canadian police have arrested a suspect in a Nova Scotia shooting after multiple victims were found.

Gabriel Wortman, 51, was taken into custody on Sunday after a pursuit throughout the Canadian province, Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) said.

Wortman was believed to be wearing a police uniform and driving a police vehicle, but is not employed by the RCMP, according to the police.

Multiple victims in Canada shooting by suspect who was dressed as police officer, officials say

Heeerrre's Shooty...

Interesting he had a Royal Canadian Mounted Police uniform and vehicle to pull people over and shoot them
That's not your standard mass shooting. More than likely used a sidearm to shoot his victims
But Trudeau is wanting an assault weapons ban? Why?

Good video on this.....

 

[2aguy]

Still no word on the type of gun used.....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Still no word on the type of gun used.....

He was armed with Pistol, Shotgun, and Rifle no specifics

It wasn't a mass shooting though it was a shooting spree that started on Saturday and ended on Sunday

 

[2aguy]

Still no word on the type of gun used.....

He was armed with Pistol, Shotgun, and Rifle no specifics

It wasn't a mass shooting though it was a shooting spree that started on Saturday and ended on Sunday

Do you have a link for the weapons?

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Still no word on the type of gun used.....

He was armed with Pistol, Shotgun, and Rifle no specifics

It wasn't a mass shooting though it was a shooting spree that started on Saturday and ended on Sunday

Do you have a link for the weapons?

The video I posted was the latest news release
I said they are reporting that the shooter was armed with a pistol, shotgun, and rifle and gave no specifics of the type of weapons

 

[2aguy]

So......still no definitive answer about the guns.....but, from this report, the killer owned 2 handguns and a shotgun......even though he was a prohibited person under Canadian law...

And if these are the weapons he used it may be likely that Trudeau doesn't want the type of guns used put out there before he has a chance to pass his new Assault Rifle ban....


From this article...

As well, he had two handguns and a shotgun similar to police-issue firearms. “He was an enthusiast,” Mr. Rushton said. “He was a perfectionist, wanted to have everything just right.”

Nova Scotia shooter’s profile an ‘outlier’ to the police impersonator archetype

Gunman’s background bears a hallmark of two distinct but opposing personality types: the wannabe and the criminal impersonator

www.theglobeandmail.com

RCMP Releases Details on Last Weekend's Nova Scotia Spree Shooting - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ The following is a statement given today by RCMP Superintendent Darrell Campbell regarding the mass shooting that took place in Nova Scotia last weekend, detailing the events that took place over 12 hours and resulted in 22 dead (plus the shooter) and three...

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

 

[beagle9]

This guy was a serial killer who used the methods that were used to achieve his goals. It's the person not the guns doing the killing, and allowing a person like this to go undetected for to long has now cost prescious lives. That's where the real investigation should be, otherwise was there a pattern found in this wack jobs character ?? How did this guy slip through the cracks, and how does someone like this go undetected for so long ??? Many questions that need answers quickly.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

This guy was a serial killer who used the methods that were used to achieve his goals. It's the person not the guns doing the killing, and allowing a person like this to go undetected for to long has now cost prescious lives. That's where the real investigation should be, otherwise was there a pattern found in this wack jobs character ?? How did this guy slip through the cracks, and how does someone like this go undetected for so long ??? Many questions that need answers quickly.

I agree with what you are saying but since people want to put blame on things that have no control over how they were used...........
Maybe we should ban police uniforms since he was wearing one, and ban cars that are made to look like police cars.

 

[2aguy]

Wait this couldn't have happened in Canada because they have All the Best Gun Laws and every time there's a shooting in America they bring all the Snooty Canucks here to lecture us.

So I know I'm not reading this right now.

Correct?

(Condolences to the families of the lost. As we know humans are humans wherever you are and some of them are rotten)

Nope, not correct. Because it's got nothing to do with "laws" and never did. Has everything to do with Culture.

We live in an established culture of violence and death, based around the penis-shaped bullet. We're indoctrinated into it from childhood from TV commercials for toy guns to comic books "celebrating" gunslingers of the "old west". Canada doesn't have that legacy. MOST cultures don't have that shit. Then plug in a major Masculinity Crisis (guess what gender virtually all mass shooters comprise) and you have a recipe for mayhem. You can pass or not pass all the laws you want, it doesn't change that culture. As long as that culture demands worship of Almighty Gun with its attendant blood and carnage, those immersed in it will commit that carnage, laws or no laws.

Lemme see if I can dredge up an old thread of mine on this, the topic upon which I joined this site, right between the Jacksonville and Sandy Hook shootings.

EDIT - here ya go, no thanks to the site search box -- had to Google to find it. This is from a few years ago, begin paste:

I give you two cities, split by a river, kinda like Minneapolis and St. Paul are but this is a different pair of cities.

Obviously being next to each other, these cities have much in common regionally, climatically, industrially and so on. They are less than a mile apart, connected by a bridge and a tunnel. But the two cities show a stark difference in one area.

The city to the west recorded 377 total homicides in 2011 and 327 in 2010, according to police statistics(1), carrying a homicide rate of around 50 per 100,000 people
Across the bridge in the same time period, there was a total of one. For both years put together. A rate of 0.30. From September 27, 2009 to November 22, 2011 in that city, there were no murders at all. Zero.

What's going on here?

One of them is in Canada. The cities are Detroit and Windsor.

I haven't determined how many of those homicides were committed by firearm, but for a guide, out of 386 Detroit homicides in 2012, 333 were by firearm. Over 86%. (1)

And the one murder that finally broke the 2011 streak in Windsor? It was a stabbing.

People in his city of about 215,000 have a saying, Blaine said Friday afternoon: "In Windsor, when a 7-Eleven is held up, it usually is a knife. In Detroit, it is an Uzi."

It's not that there's no crime in Windsor, an industrial city that has seen its own economic challenges. "We're no different than any other major metropolitan area," Corey said. (here)

704 to 1 in homicide; several hundred to zero in gun deaths.
Detroit: at or near the highest murder rate in its country; Windsor: lowest in its country.
Less than a mile apart.

What's driving the difference? Gun control? Or gun culture?

Resources/further reading:​

(1) 2012 Crime/Homicide Stats​

​

(2) Freep.com 1/3/13​

​

A Tale of Two Cities​

​

Murder-Free Two Years​

The fault lies not in our guns but in ourselves. To our values we are underlings.

{end paste}

You are a moron........

The Reality of American Violence

There is a powerful and pervasive narrative about violence in America that goes something like this:

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3. The U.S. is not especially violent in a broad global context.

Let’s return to international comparisons.

Again, it’s true that the United States has much less restrictive gun laws, and a much higher homicide rate, than, say, the U.K. or Japan. But that’s only half of the story: The U.S. also has much less restrictive gun laws than all of the countries that are more violent.

Our neighbors, Canada and Mexico, serve to illustrate this phenomenon perfectly. Both countries have much more restrictive gun laws than those of the U.S. In 2017, Canada had a homicide rate of almost 2 per 100,00 — a bit higher than most European countries, but significantly lower than the U.S. homicide rate of 5 per 100,000. However, Mexico’s 2017 homicide rate was much higher at a whopping 25 per 100,000.

What’s responsible for Canada’s relative peace and Mexico’s relative violence? That’s a complicated question far beyond the scope of this piece. What we can say for certain, though, is that “guns” and “gun laws” are not the fundamental answer. If it were that simple, the United States — with by far the most guns and the most permissive gun laws of the three — would be the most violent, with Canada (a country with more permissive gun laws and twice as many guns per capita as Mexico) close behind, and Mexico as the most peaceful of three.

In reality, not only is Mexico more violent than the U.S. and Canada, it’s more violent by an enormous degree. Once again, we see that “guns” and “gun control” (or the lack thereof) fail to explain differences in observed levels of violence.